Why aren't fabric bags cone shaped.

[yummy fur]

I'm guessing because no one thought of it yet.

Plastic pots have always been narrower towards the bottom in order to be able to remove a root bound plant for transplanting, larger tubs are more cylindrical rather than conical, which makes sense because it puts more space for the roots at the bottom where they need it. Fabric pots have followed that model, but I was thinking that to make full use of the fact that it is fabric it could me made so that the it was conical with most space at the bottom and maybe 6 inch diameter at the top. It could even have a short neck like a stand up collar as well to start a bean off with less surrounding soil then it would naturally get more space as it grows.

 

[crimsonecho]

i dont think you thought this through enough. you want a fabric pot with wider bottom and narrow neck? takes up the same space, holds less medium. well sign me up haha

 

[FirstCavApache64]

I'm going with square fabric pots to maximize space. It just seems to make better sense in a square tent.

 

[yummy fur]

@FirstCavApache64 A square pyramid would better anyway.

@crimsonecho in fact if you had actually put some thought into it you would realise that it would be made to hold the same volume as it's equivalent fabric pot it's just that the soil that it missing from the top where it is not needed is in fact redistributed to the bottom where it can be made better use of.

Once someone does it, everyone will want to make it if it isn't patented. A zipper could be put in too in order to make it reusable for those who reuse their bags.

 

[Retired engineer]

Square fabric pot, milk crates (the pot fits exactly in the crate) and square metal tomato cages are working well for me. One of the drawbacks of square fabric bags is they don’t hold their cubical shape very well if ya move them around…the crate solves that. The crate also offers great attachment points for LST - I use binder clips and pipe cleaners. Grab the flower bearing branches from first and second node when young and stretch them horizontally to the edge of the crate and tie them down. They will make a 90 degree turn upwards in a day, and you now have a fully exposed cola that otherwise would been inside the canopy.

the milk crates give ya a little airspace for circulation between the bottom of the fabric bag and on whatever the crate happens to Sit. I stack the crates with the plants on another crate to increase the airflow.

the tomato cages give ya 2 options: keep the footprint of the plant inside the column (if you are limited in lateral space), or pull all the branches outside the crate and let them spread out. I chose the latter for the grow at my GFs house.

If I were growing in a tent I’d arrange the crates about a foot from each other in a square pattern (one crate at each corner of a larger square footprint). I’d build a PVC frame the same footprint of the larger square formed by the 4 crates, and use cup hooks and string to create a SCROG net above the plants, zip tie it to the tops of the tomato cages, and then let them grow up to the horizontal string lattice and start weaving them into the net. but, alas, I don’t have room for a tent.

im using round fabric pots in milk crates with tomato cages at the GFs house, and just the milk crates and square fabric bags (without tomato cages) at my house. both are working well.

 

[twentyeight.threefive]

@FirstCavApache64 A square pyramid would better anyway.

@crimsonecho in fact if you had actually put some thought into it you would realise that it would be made to hold the same volume as it's equivalent fabric pot it's just that the soil that it missing from the top where it is not needed is in fact redistributed to the bottom where it can be made better use of.

Once someone does it, everyone will want to make it if it isn't patented. A zipper could be put in too in order to make it reusable for those who reuse their bags.

Where did you come up with that medium isn’t needed at the top? Roots form everywhere.

You should contact fabric pot manufacturers, they’ll be lining up to make these lmao

 

[DrOgkush]

HOLY MOTHER OF FLUORESCENT PANELS!!

How’s that side lighting work for ya in the Dino t5s? I know your bill hates it. Plants prolly love it.

 

[coralreefer999]

If the bag had a small neck/collar at the top wouldn't that make it difficult to to fill/remove soil? Forget about getting root ball out. Add potential water distribution issues to the list, since your only watering the top 6 inch diameter and relaying on osmosis to saturate the remaining soil.

 

[xtsho]

 

[Retired engineer]

HOLY MOTHER OF FLUORESCENT PANELS!!

How’s that side lighting work for ya in the Dino t5s? I know your bill hates it. Plants prolly love it.

They freakin love it…there is also a 6 fixture four foot panel I hang from the front of the tub pointing in and a Marshydro TS1000 suspended from above. They get light from every conceivable direction, and I have Mylar covered foam core panels I suspend above and beneath the tub and lights so all the light that woulda been reflected upwards or downwards is bounced back into the tub…nary a photon escapes. That’s the first floor.

on the thrird floor, I have a California lightworks Extreme 500 suspended from above, and a couple of LED lights on the sides pointing in. i cover the tub opening with a Mylar covered panel so the light gets bounced back in. I’m still working on this arrangement, so the plants rotate between floors when they are not outside in natural light.

never give a retired engineer too much time to solve a problem…

 

[twentyeight.threefive]

They freakin love it…there is also a 6 fixture four foot panel I hang from the front of the tub pointing in and a Marshydro TS1000 suspended from above. They get light from every conceivable direction, and I have Mylar covered foam core panels I suspend above and beneath the tub and lights so all the light that woulda been reflected upwards or downwards is bounced back into the tub…nary a photon escapes. That’s the first floor.

on the thrird floor, I have a California lightworks Extreme 500 suspended from above, and a couple of LED lights on the sides pointing in. i cover the tub opening with a Mylar covered panel so the light gets bounced back in. I’m still working on this arrangement, so the plants rotate between floors when they are not outside in natural light.

never give a retired engineer too much time to solve a problem…

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Do you not shower? Sponge baths only?

 

[jondamon]

They freakin love it…there is also a 6 fixture four foot panel I hang from the front of the tub pointing in and a Marshydro TS1000 suspended from above. They get light from every conceivable direction, and I have Mylar covered foam core panels I suspend above and beneath the tub and lights so all the light that woulda been reflected upwards or downwards is bounced back into the tub…nary a photon escapes. That’s the first floor.

on the thrird floor, I have a California lightworks Extreme 500 suspended from above, and a couple of LED lights on the sides pointing in. i cover the tub opening with a Mylar covered panel so the light gets bounced back in. I’m still working on this arrangement, so the plants rotate between floors when they are not outside in natural light.

never give a retired engineer too much time to solve a problem…

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Do you understand what

Dichlorvos is?

 

[jondamon]

@FirstCavApache64 A square pyramid would better anyway.

Wondered when that shape would come into it lmao.

 

[Retired engineer]

Do you not shower? Sponge baths only?

I have a full size standing shower and a jacuzzi tub available too…

 

[Retired engineer]

Do you understand what

Dichlorvos is?

Good point they are gone now, thanks.

 

[jondamon]

Good point they are gone now, thanks.

I have used Hot Shots before but only as spot treatment and then bagged back up after usage.

it’s some nasty shit and im not sure of how long any residual remains on flowering plants.

Personally it’s not something I want to gamble with.


was just making sure you knew the implications (however possible) of using them.

 

[Retired engineer]

I have used Hot Shots before but only as spot treatment and then bagged back up after usage.

it’s some nasty shit and im not sure of how long any residual remains on flowering plants.

Personally it’s not something I want to gamble with.


was just making sure you knew the implications (however possible) of using them.

they are a couple days old, and out on my patio now…thanks for the info/hint…I have some other weapons in the arsenal to deploy…

 

[jondamon]

they are a couple days old, and out on my patio now…thanks for the info/hint…I have some other weapons in the arsenal to deploy…

Citric acid.

2-3 teaspoons per quart of water for a contact killer.

 

[Billy the Mountain]

Where did you come up with that medium isn’t needed at the top? Roots form everywhere.

You should contact fabric pot manufacturers, they’ll be lining up to make these lmao

Yup

 

[crimsonecho]

@FirstCavApache64 A square pyramid would better anyway.

@crimsonecho in fact if you had actually put some thought into it you would realise that it would be made to hold the same volume as it's equivalent fabric pot it's just that the soil that it missing from the top where it is not needed is in fact redistributed to the bottom where it can be made better use of.

Once someone does it, everyone will want to make it if it isn't patented. A zipper could be put in too in order to make it reusable for those who reuse their bags.

fabric doesnt hold its shape very well so when you fill it with your medium its not gonna stay perfectly cone shaped or whatever

furthermore you’re just gonna widen your perched water table too, the bottom part which stays constantly wet. overly wet not ideal for good root growth and aerobic microbial life. so when you make the pots wider on the bottom more of your medium will stay overly wet down there.

well people grow in all sorts of stuff so do it if you like but i wont be buying any of these pots for sure.