Coco coir, remo nutrients and led.

floravita

floravita

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Prawn Connery said:
Runoff!

You need runoff with coco to flush old nutes out to prevent salt build-up. If you are experiencing the same nutrient lockout at the same time each grow, this indicates to me you do not have enough runoff in your system.

More feeding (irrigation events) is good. But only if, after each feeding, there is enough runoff to flush away the unused nutrient. If you do not have runoff, or not enough or – god forbid – you allow your runoff to soak back into the pot, then you will create nutrient hot-spots in your coco.
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Hey brother , thanks for the input... in the dry week that i wrote here for sure all this happened little to no runoff and huge drybacks ( my bad ) , now they are at about 20% runoff im folllowing day by day , and for sure the runoff its not soaking in back but hey been there :fire:, now they are lifted from the tray with some air underneath it .
 
Prawn Connery

Prawn Connery

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^ Yes. I also feed up to 6x a day but only during the lights-on period. I let the pots dry out a little when it's dark and start feeding again about 15 minutes before the lights go on. The last feed is usually about two hours before lights off, so around 14 hours of no irrigation, and then irrigate every two hours during lights on. The first feed when the lights come on will not produce much, if any runoff (as the pots are drier), but after the second and third feeds and so on you will see an increasing amount of runoff and you need to aim for about 10-20% total, as above. You should never let your pots totally dry out in coco. The reason you don't feed during the night is the plants don't use as much water and the pots shouldn't dry out that much. When you have a lot of runoff you can also run a higher EC, as the pots self-flush. Normally you run a slightly higher EC in winter (when its colder) than in summer, depending on how you comtrol your climate.
 
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f.r

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It seems the trend with generative style feeding is to not only aim for dry backs but also try and increase the water pore ec value of the media to essentially trigger the plant into flowering quicker etc.

Just noting that because it seems like he is really trying to do that style so he may be purposefully trying to increase ec in media.

It may be a balance of nutrients issue rather than a strength issue? your getting the issues towards the end, might be an issue with the coco inside smaller pots breaking down releasing extra K that playing around with your base nutes?

I am far from an expert just spitballing
 
floravita

floravita

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Gdp1 said:
With that been said keep in mind u need run off every feeding at least 10-20% in my opinion
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Will be on top of that , they are definately getting more runoff !!


Prawn Connery said:
^ Yes. I also feed up to 6x a day but only during the lights-on period. I let the pots dry out a little when it's dark and start feeding again about 15 minutes before the lights go on. The last feed is usually about two hours before lights off, so around 14 hours of no irrigation, and then irrigate every two hours during lights on. The first feed when the lights come on will not produce much, if any runoff (as the pots are drier), but after the second and third feeds and so on you will see an increasing amount of runoff and you need to aim for about 10-20% total, as above. You should never let your pots totally dry out in coco. The reason you don't feed during the night is the plants don't use as much water and the pots shouldn't dry out that much. When you have a lot of runoff you can also run a higher EC, as the pots self-flush. Normally you run a slightly higher EC in winter (when its colder) than in summer, depending on how you comtrol your climate.
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Awesome thanks for the inputs , my pots are drying back aroung 10% with ligths off give or take , my last irrigation kicks in 1 hour before lights go off taking the pots to full saturation wich is around 35 to 45% WC ...i wound like then to be at 45% but some have so much roots that they get full with 35% so i have to watch then closer. my climate its always the same .... i dont have really harsh winters.... so im keeping it all pretty hot all year around!


f.r said:
It seems the trend with generative style feeding is to not only aim for dry backs but also try and increase the water pore ec value of the media to essentially trigger the plant into flowering quicker etc.

Just noting that because it seems like he is really trying to do that style so he may be purposefully trying to increase ec in media.

It may be a balance of nutrients issue rather than a strength issue? your getting the issues towards the end, might be an issue with the coco inside smaller pots breaking down releasing extra K that playing around with your base nutes?

I am far from an expert just spitballing
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Hy there , your rigth that its the goal for the first 3 weeks increase PWEC and shoot for more budsites and shorten a bit the streech , my problem was the pots where to rooted so they had huge swings in dryback they were all ok but when these swings started happening they went way bellow of what i would wanted then. Yep u might be rigth , i think it could be the balance of nutes.... as im using remo... iv been told it could be somewhat to much N that its causing this K defficiency .... but somehow im struggling to get around it . As im not a nute expert , i would think so remo nutrients doesnt have that much N on in.... but well.... who knows... we ll get to the bottom of it !
 
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Dazza1529

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Sorry to jump on this thread I currently have 3 clones in 15 inch pots I’d say the pots are maybe 1.5L so not massive I’m in coco watering twice a day with canna A&B and root stimulant when shall I increase my pot size they’ve currently been in these pots around 6 days
 

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floravita

floravita

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Dazza1529 said:
Sorry to jump on this thread I currently have 3 clones in 15 inch pots I’d say the pots are maybe 1.5L so not massive I’m in coco watering twice a day with canna A&B and root stimulant when shall I increase my pot size they’ve currently been in these pots around 6 days
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I think you r good still , they can get quite a size in these pots.... look out for not drying it sooo much .
 
MickFoster

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Dazza1529 said:
Sorry to jump on this thread I currently have 3 clones in 15 inch pots I’d say the pots are maybe 1.5L so not massive I’m in coco watering twice a day with canna A&B and root stimulant when shall I increase my pot size they’ve currently been in these pots around 6 days
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This is the second thread you hijacked..........START YOUR OWN THREAD!!!!!!!
 
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Dazza1529

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MickFoster said:
I don't hate you........it's just rude to hijack someone else's thread........you did it twice.
I answered your question in your thread.
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Thanks I see your reply any chance you can help with how to treat this and what to do I’m in coco let’s take it to my thread I appreciate all the help I’m new and just tryna learn
 
Aeroknow

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floravita said:
Will be on top of that , they are definately getting more runoff !!




Awesome thanks for the inputs , my pots are drying back aroung 10% with ligths off give or take , my last irrigation kicks in 1 hour before lights go off taking the pots to full saturation wich is around 35 to 45% WC ...i wound like then to be at 45% but some have so much roots that they get full with 35% so i have to watch then closer. my climate its always the same .... i dont have really harsh winters.... so im keeping it all pretty hot all year around!



Hy there , your rigth that its the goal for the first 3 weeks increase PWEC and shoot for more budsites and shorten a bit the streech , my problem was the pots where to rooted so they had huge swings in dryback they were all ok but when these swings started happening they went way bellow of what i would wanted then. Yep u might be rigth , i think it could be the balance of nutes.... as im using remo... iv been told it could be somewhat to much N that its causing this K defficiency .... but somehow im struggling to get around it . As im not a nute expert , i would think so remo nutrients doesnt have that much N on in.... but well.... who knows... we ll get to the bottom of it !
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Yup. Plenty runoff every feeding and 1.7-1.8 EC.
 
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Roguedawg

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Are you sure that sensor is calibrated for coco and not for soil or peat based potting soils. I would ditch the co2, lower ec, keep the containers they are plenty big enough. Keep the sensors but just use them as a guide not as your sole source of info on what is going on in the media. When you can keep them healthy thru a whole cycle over and over then add co2 , and try to crop steer if you think its necessary.
 
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Dazza1529 said:
I have started my own thread thank you was looking for a little advice arnt we all supposed to help each other out abit? No need for the hate
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Dude , this chap is doing something very different from your average coco grower.
Hence its not the place to ask and get the best answer for your situation.

If your plants were mine I'd pot up now with extra holes drilled in your pots, then later pot up into cloth pots.
 
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Dazza1529

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coreywebster said:
Dude , this chap is doing something very different from your average coco grower.
Hence its not the place to ask and get the best answer for your situation.

If your plants were mine I'd pot up now with extra holes drilled in your pots, then later pot up into cloth pots.
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Thanks a quick one then as they’ve only been in these pots 4 days do you still think it’s a good idea to pot up yet?
 
MickFoster

MickFoster

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Dazza1529 said:
Thanks a quick one then as they’ve only been in these pots 4 days do you still think it’s a good idea to pot up yet?
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You just don't get it......do you?
This is someone else's thread......not yours.
The guy you quoted told you this wasn't the place to ask your question.
But yet, you had to ask him a quick one. WTF.
 
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Dazza1529

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MickFoster said:
You just don't get it......do you?
This is someone else's thread......not yours.
The guy you quoted told you this wasn't the place to ask your question.
But yet, you had to ask him a quick one. WTF.
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Mate why you on my case I was replying to someone else get the fuck
Off my back dude sure the op wasn’t too bothered about a comment hundreds of people commenting about different stuff he suggested to do something wanted to confirm my god
 
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