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DIY-HP-LED

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This is the moment Putin acknowledges things are not going perfect

CNN's John King and Eurasia Group President Ian Bremmer analyze Russian President Vladimir Putin's most recent speech addressing the families of soldiers fighting in Ukraine.
 

BudmanTX

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Someone here had a word for what it's called right now..magma was a joke but not really because that thing is dropping through the earth..isn't that going to fuck up water system and that part of the sea?
it uses the Dnieper River for cooling, that river flows both north and south to the ocean....
 

bam0813

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How come the US is getting beat up about the Poland plane issue. Doesn’t NATO have 30 countries. Do they not all have to agree to the transfer? Did the US make an agreement then back out or just never made an agreement? Why US planes only? None of the other countries have some hand me downs. US is far from only member with significant Airpower. Forgive my ignorance I’m just not clear on that particular issue
 

DIY-HP-LED

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An NLAW anti tank weapon costs $30K US and a T-72 Tank costs $1 to 2 million dollars US, NLAWs have a 95% kill rate.
Javelin missiles cost US$175,203 (missile only, FY2021), still a tenth than the cost of a tank.
Cost of a stinger AA missile = ($119,320 2020 FY) vs cost of an SU-27 $41.2 million – Su-27 (typical Russian fighter).
 
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BudmanTX

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How come the US is getting beat up about the Poland plane issue. Doesn’t NATO have 30 countries. Do they not all have to agree to the transfer? Did the US make an agreement then back out or just never made an agreement? Why US planes only? None of the other countries have some hand me downs. US is far from only member with significant Airpower. Forgive my ignorance I’m just not clear on that particular issue
naw it's not that, the deal is done....it's logistics to get them to where they need to go......and to keep it.....lets say private and out of eye that see ;) ;)

if ya catch my drift...
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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hes got all the money he needs coming from china,and plenty of russian thugs(convicts) getting paid by the headcount
no, he doesn't have nearly all the money he needs coming from China. the deals he's trying to put together will eventually be worth an estimated 117 billion...but at the moment he has shit squared from China...
rosneft signed a deal for 80 billion....over ten years...the first 4 DAYS cost russia 7 billion...they have enough to maybe go two more weeks, then they're out of cash, and they'll need whatever income they have to feed themselves
https://www.consultancy.eu/news/7433/research-ukraine-war-costs-russian-military-20-billion-per-day

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/10/03/russia-jails-the-most-people-in-europe-monitor-says-a67581
they have a total of about half a million people in prison. at least a quarter of those are state prisoners, and putin will never let them see the light of day again, so potentially they have 380k...but how many of those will take the deal? call it 50%...thats 190k...190k unruly, untrained, unreliable criminals with military grade weapons....that's exactly what he wants running loose in russia. even if they herd them to the border, 90% of them will be dead after a few days at best...they're undisciplined mercenaries with shitty training and poor motivation...i would be surprised if whole legions didn't defect to the Ukrainian, IF they will have them.
 
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cannabineer

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How come the US is getting beat up about the Poland plane issue. Doesn’t NATO have 30 countries. Do they not all have to agree to the transfer? Did the US make an agreement then back out or just never made an agreement? Why US planes only? None of the other countries have some hand me downs. US is far from only member with significant Airpower. Forgive my ignorance I’m just not clear on that particular issue
All NATO planes are out so long as that could escalate.
 

Sativied

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How come the US is getting beat up about the Poland plane issue. Doesn’t NATO have 30 countries. Do they not all have to agree to the transfer? Did the US make an agreement then back out or just never made an agreement? Why US planes only? None of the other countries have some hand me downs. US is far from only member with significant Airpower. Forgive my ignorance I’m just not clear on that particular issue
Because tall trees catch a lot of wind.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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no, he doesn't have nearly all the money he needs coming from China. the deals he's trying to put together will eventually be worth an estimated 117 billion...but at the moment he has shit squared from China...
rosneft signed a deal for 80 billion....over ten years...the first 4 DAYS cost russia 7 billion...they have enough to maybe go two more weeks, then they're out of cash, and they'll need whatever income they have to feed themselves
https://www.consultancy.eu/news/7433/research-ukraine-war-costs-russian-military-20-billion-per-day

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/10/03/russia-jails-the-most-people-in-europe-monitor-says-a67581
they have a total of about half a million people in prison. at least a quarter of those are state prisoners, and putin will never let them see the light of day again, so potentially they have 380k...but how many of those will take the deal? call it 50%...thats 190k...190k unruly, untrained, unreliable criminals with military grade weapons....that's exactly what he wants running loose in russia. even if they herd them to the border, 90% of them will be dead after a few days at best...they're undisciplined mercenaries with shitty training and poor motivation...i would be surpeised if whole legions didn't defect to the Ukrainian, IF they will have them.
I was being conservative in my estimates cutting these in half, just to be on the safe side. How they will replace all the imported groceries is anybody's guess, they used to import most of what they ate, now they can't even if they had the cash, ditto for car parts and everything else, not military.

Who he is sending into Ukraine is important, from what I've seen they will be useless as combat troops. Soon the Ukrainians might make an offer many Russians in Ukraine might find hard to resist, surrender and get a $1000 a month, in voluntary lose detention (free room and board) on military parole in Poland or stay as a POW in Ukraine. Every million a month gets ya a 1000 Russians, 100 million a month gets ya near Vlad's whole fucking army stampeding to the west. They get it for a year and can return to Russia when it is safe to do so, or stay in the west and work. Cheaper than killing them!
 
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