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DIY-HP-LED

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Canada makes sniper rifles & scopes?
I thought you were a peaceful folk, not just a bunch of mushy, overly polite wimps like most of the world thinks about Canucks.
I learned something today
Thanks :)

Oh, by the way, Leupold (German) make the best scopes in the world, (but that's my own opinion)
They make the optics in BC the weapons are American.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Canada makes sniper rifles & scopes?
I thought you were a peaceful folk, not just a bunch of mushy, overly polite wimps like most of the world thinks about Canucks.
I learned something today
Thanks :)

Oh, by the way, Leupold (German) make the best scopes in the world, (but that's my own opinion)
The rifles are probably Barretts but I do want to know about the optics.
 

Fogdog

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So disappointed Iraq didn’t become a westernized shiny example of a moderate muslim democratic. How about state building instead? Maybe the only way Iraq or Afghanistan could have worked is if all 50 states in the US agree unanimously to give them statehood, implement US law, American passports and open the borders for all their citizens, veto right for their governments on major packages, representives from their governments in the House, billions of dollars every year for their governments, sharing an election, foreign policy, economy, currency, jobs, houses, land. Or maybe tell them “be good and maybe some day you too can be a state in the US of A”? I know, absurd suggestion.
Right?

We show up with guns and expect them to win people's hearts and minds. Our Civil War ended 157 years ago and the Deep South is ungovernable to this day. It will be all roses and champagne between the US and Ukraine. Until it is not.

People in the US are naïve about the differences between societies across the world. Not only that but if we don't have an exit strategy we will eventually become an occupier.

Shall I, then be like my father
And be willfully unmovable and strong?
Or is it better to be right?...
Or am I right when I believe I may be wrong?
Shall I join with other nations in alliance?
If allies are weak, am I not best alone?
If allies are strong with power to protect me,
Might they not protect me out of all I own?
Is a danger to be trusting one another,
One will seldom want to do what other wishes;
But unless someday somebody trust somebody
There'll be nothing left on earth excepting fishes!
 

Fogdog

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Well, dang. I thought maybe US bureaucrats would at least give it some time to try to work it out before just saying no.

'Surprise move': U.S. stunned by Poland's fighter jet offer
“We do not believe Poland’s proposal is a tenable one,” Defense Department spokesperson John Kirby said.


The Polish government stunned Washington on Tuesday by announcing it was ready to transfer its 28 MiG-29 fighter planes to the U.S., with the understanding that they would be handed over to Ukrainian pilots fighting off the Russian invasion.

The move, which came with a request that the U.S. supply Poland with used jets with “corresponding capabilities,” came after a week of back-and-forth negotiations between Washington and Warsaw over transferring the jets to Ukraine, which needs replacement jets to fight off the Russians.

A senior administration official told POLITICO that the U.S. intelligence community and the Defense Department have been opposed to the transfer of the Polish planes to Ukraine, due to the complications in getting them over the border and into the hands of Ukrainian pilots. The Polish government also didn’t consult with their U.S. counterparts before making the announcement.

A statement by Defense Department spokesperson John Kirby reflected that deep concern late Tuesday, saying “we do not believe Poland’s proposal is a tenable one,” and it is “simply not clear to us that there is a substantive rationale for it.”
 

printer

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Canada makes sniper rifles & scopes?
I thought you were a peaceful folk, not just a bunch of mushy, overly polite wimps like most of the world thinks about Canucks.
I learned something today
Thanks :)

Oh, by the way, Leupold (German) make the best scopes in the world, (but that's my own opinion)
I once was at a long distance shoot. I did not care too much for shooting 1000 yards,
 

printer

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DIY-HP-LED

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Well, dang. I thought maybe US bureaucrats would at least give it some time to try to work it out before just saying no.

'Surprise move': U.S. stunned by Poland's fighter jet offer
“We do not believe Poland’s proposal is a tenable one,” Defense Department spokesperson John Kirby said.


The Polish government stunned Washington on Tuesday by announcing it was ready to transfer its 28 MiG-29 fighter planes to the U.S., with the understanding that they would be handed over to Ukrainian pilots fighting off the Russian invasion.

The move, which came with a request that the U.S. supply Poland with used jets with “corresponding capabilities,” came after a week of back-and-forth negotiations between Washington and Warsaw over transferring the jets to Ukraine, which needs replacement jets to fight off the Russians.

A senior administration official told POLITICO that the U.S. intelligence community and the Defense Department have been opposed to the transfer of the Polish planes to Ukraine, due to the complications in getting them over the border and into the hands of Ukrainian pilots. The Polish government also didn’t consult with their U.S. counterparts before making the announcement.

A statement by Defense Department spokesperson John Kirby reflected that deep concern late Tuesday, saying “we do not believe Poland’s proposal is a tenable one,” and it is “simply not clear to us that there is a substantive rationale for it.”
So what is the problem with Ukrainian pilots flying them from Germany? Will Vlad cut off the gas? He is operating out of Belarus and has no declaration of war or UN approval in invading a UN member and they are quibbling about legal technicalities?
 

Fogdog

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So what is the problem with Ukrainian pilots flying them from Germany? Will Vlad cut off the gas? He is operating out of Belarus and has no declaration of war or UN approval in invading a UN member and they are quibbling about legal technicalities?
It's a developing story. Poland acted unilaterally without even a discussion before going public with the offer. I'm pretty sure people in the US aren't going to barf over the deal. Then again, we have some smart people running this.

I guess we'll just have be patient, watch, wait and see what happens. Something you are famous for.
 

printer

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The secret world of offshore banking is proving it can stand up to kleptocrats

Has Trump ever got a deal for these guys.
 
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Jimdamick

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So what is the problem with Ukrainian pilots flying them from Germany? Will Vlad cut off the gas? He is operating out of Belarus and has no declaration of war or UN approval in invading a UN member and they are quibbling about legal technicalities?
Fuck Vlad, he's fucking toast.
Even if he takes Kiev, he & Russia are irrevocably fucked.
The whole world fucking hates them
And as far as asshole using nuclear weapons, I'd say go right ahead you dumb fuck, & you better hope the wind is blowing away from you, and not at you.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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It's a developing story. Poland acted unilaterally without even a discussion before going public with the offer. I'm pretty sure people in the US aren't going to barf over the deal. Then again, we have some smart people running this.

I guess we'll just have be patient, watch, wait and see what happens. Something you are famous for.
It's fun to speculate about events, there are smart professional people involved here and their former collogues are on TV giving a blow by blow of the war. It is sad to see the tragedy, I don't ignore it, but try to stay focused on the fight. I see a lot of history in the making in a short period of time. I also see great danger, but opportunity too, I see an epic struggle for liberal democracy and the fight of a courageous and valiant people who refuse to be subjugated by an asshole.

So we will wait and see, while Vlad's mighty army creeps ever closer and the Ukrainians are being armed to the teeth. We will also wait and see what form air support for the Ukrainians will take. The longer we wait the better for the Ukrainians and the worse for Vlad. Let him twist in the wind for a spell, but don't provoke him. Vlad's army already in Ukraine will be soon exhausted and starved of supplies, unless help arrives soon, we will wait and see about that too. ;-)
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Fuck Vlad, he's fucking toast.
Even if he takes Kiev, he & Russia are irrevocably fucked.
The whole world fucking hates them
And as far as asshole using nuclear weapons, I'd say go right ahead you dumb fuck, & you better hope the wind is blowing away from you, and not at you.
Somehow this ended up in alerts to me. For what it’s worth, I’m not a Vladolf fan.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Fuck Vlad, he's fucking toast.
Even if he takes Kiev, he & Russia are irrevocably fucked.
The whole world fucking hates them
And as far as asshole using nuclear weapons, I'd say go right ahead you dumb fuck, & you better hope the wind is blowing away from you, and not at you.
I wouldn't be so rash! :lol: Ya gotta do the dance of death with the fucker until he goes away, one way or another.
 
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