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0potato0

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Can you access BBC articles in your country? No mention of that in their article. They did say the protesters tried to topple a bronze statue of Nazarbayev. Is that the head you are talking about?

Head choppers are dead giveaway.
 

Fogdog

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Head choppers are dead giveaway.
OMG,

Protester beheaded a cop. You are talking about a Kazakhstan cop? That would be justice, not murder.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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"A policeman was reportedly beheaded during protests in Kazakhstan that have increased in violence since they broke out five days ago."

" Russia's TASS news agency quoted the Kazakh health ministry as saying more than 1,000 people had been injured during the protests, and more than 400 of them were in hospital."

"Police in the largest city Almaty said they had ‘liquidated’ dozens of rioters overnight and into the early hours of Thursday morning but it is unclear exactly how many have been killed.
The authorities said at least 18 members of the security forces had died, including the two found decapitated, and 478 were wounded. More than 2,000 people have been arrested."

Reportedly...TASS news agency quoted..... Authorities said...at least 18 members of the security forces had died, including the TWO found decapitated
lets see some evidence of any of these unconfirmed contradictory allegations...

Police in the largest city Almaty said they had ‘liquidated’ dozens of rioters overnight and into the early hours of Thursday morning...sounds like a couple of beheadings might be just about fair payback?

while they would be removed almost immediately, there have been no video or pictures of this posted to any social media platforms? your telling me that in the age of the fucking cell phone, not one protestor OR security thug caught a beheading on video? not even pictures of the aftermath?...
i don't believe a word of it and won't until it's confirmed by someone trustworthy
 

hanimmal

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"A policeman was reportedly beheaded during protests in Kazakhstan that have increased in violence since they broke out five days ago."

" Russia's TASS news agency quoted the Kazakh health ministry as saying more than 1,000 people had been injured during the protests, and more than 400 of them were in hospital."

"Police in the largest city Almaty said they had ‘liquidated’ dozens of rioters overnight and into the early hours of Thursday morning but it is unclear exactly how many have been killed.
The authorities said at least 18 members of the security forces had died, including the two found decapitated, and 478 were wounded. More than 2,000 people have been arrested."

Reportedly...TASS news agency quoted..... Authorities said...at least 18 members of the security forces had died, including the TWO found decapitated
lets see some evidence of any of these unconfirmed contradictory allegations...

Police in the largest city Almaty said they had ‘liquidated’ dozens of rioters overnight and into the early hours of Thursday morning...sounds like a couple of beheadings might be just about fair payback?
If it wasn't another in the long line of false flags. Shit could even have been a cop that was trying to get the gestapo to stop attacking the protesters and got silenced.
 

Fogdog

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Referring to potato's cry for the cop who was killed by a protester in Kazakhstan. The thing about right wing authoritarians is they villify the weak and prey on them. When the defenseless respond with force, authoritarians become outraged and become even more violent. There is no justice when they are in control.

In the Time article he referenced:

Monitoring groups have said it is proving difficult to confirm what is happening as the country has faced an internet blackout, according to the BBC, and some security forces are said to be siding with the protesters.

So, "sources say" beheaded cop. Time is reporting what the source said but they included disclaimers saying they couldn't verify that report. Sources today say Ukrainian genocide too. Cry me a river, @0potato0

This is what amnesty international reports:


Kazakhstan: Ordering security forces to ‘fire without warning’ a recipe for disaster

Reacting to a televised address this morning (7 January) by Kazakhstan’s President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev calling for security forces to “fire without warning” at any further disturbances following the recent mass protests and violence, Marie Struthers, Amnesty International’s Director for Eastern Europe and Central Asia, said:

“The Kazakhstani authorities have a duty to maintain order, but giving blanket approval for police officers and troops to fire without warning is unlawful and a recipe for disaster. It could pave the way for knee-jerk reactions that result in unlawful killings. Unless this order is immediately and clearly revoked, Kazakhstan’s already abysmal human rights record and the ongoing crisis which it has produced are set to get worse.

“Under international law, police officers should only ever use lethal force as a last resort. It can only be used when it is strictly necessary, either to protect themselves or others from an imminent threat of death or serious injury, and only if all other options to de-escalate the situation have failed.

“When the use of force and firearms are strictly necessary, the relevant UN principles are clear. Security forces must always give clear warning when they are about to open fire – the exception being where doing so would put themselves or others at risk. Not doing so increases the risk of innocent bystanders being seriously injured or killed. This blanket order not to provide warning is extremely dangerous and alludes to a policy of ‘kill first, think later’.

“The presence of violent individuals or groups does not remove the Kazakhstani security forces’ obligation to protect the right to peaceful assembly.”


Nazarbayev is no longer head of the government but retains much power and control in that unfortunate nation. His successor, Tokayev ordered police to fire on crowds without warning. This is the "reform president".

Reminiscent of this:

Zhanaozen massacre

16 December 2011[edit]
On 16 December, there were clashes between protesters and police who were attempting to evict them from the square in preparation for an Independence Day celebration. Activists claimed security officers opened fire on unarmed demonstrators. Authorities claimed that "bandits" infiltrated the protesters and began the riots first, producing video to support their version of events.[10] Eleven were killed, according to government officials, though opposition sources put the death toll in the dozens.[11] General Prosecutor Askhat Daulbayev claimed that "civilians, who had gathered in the main square to celebrate the 20th anniversary of the country's independence, were attacked by a group of hooligans".[9] The Kazakh opposition TV channel K-Plus showed the beginning of the unrest, as men purported to be oil workers ran on the stage, tipped over the speakers and pushed around civilians before police arrived.[10] In the disturbances which followed, local government offices, a hotel and an office of the state oil company were set on fire, according to Daulbayev.[10] Eighty-six people were injured in the clashes, according to officials. Due to a shortage of hospital beds in Zhanaozen, many were taken to be treated in Aktau, around 150 km away.[11]

Testimony of victims and witnesses[edit]
Observers described people "running and falling, running and falling" and police "showering the people with bullets." One witness said: "Usually it's only in the movies that you see lines of soldiers with their weapons at the ready .... When you see them firsthand, it's a completely different experience. Especially when what you're seeing are OMON riot police, dressed all in black, building a barricade and rapping their clubs against their shields."[12]

They don't stop there. They rounded up anybody who might have helped organize the strike

Roza Tuletayeva was arrested, tortured and sentenced to prison in 2011 for helping to organize the strike. Kazakhstan prisons are deadly, harsh and women are subject to sexual assault by guards.

Roza Tuletayeva is free!
19 November 2014


One of the leaders of the Zhanaozen strike movement, Roza Tuletayeva, will be granted early release, her daughter, Aliya Tuletayeva, told the Open Dialog Foundation. This decision was made in a cassation court session today. Tuletayeva currently remains in the colony.



Tuletayeva applied for parole earlier this year, but on July 30, the court in Aktau rejected her motion. According to Kazakh civil rights advocates, her release may be an attempt to mitigate criticism over the use of torture by Kazakh authorities, which has been recently condemned by the Committee Against Torture in Geneva.

According to her daughter, Tuletayeva is feeling good and expresses thanks to everyone who appealed to the Kazakh authorities for her release.

On June 4, 2012 Tuletayeva was sentenced to 7 years in prison for her involvement in the Zhanaozen protests. Subsequently, the appellate court reduced her sentence to 5 years. During interrogations Tutelayeva was tortured, she was hung by her hair and suffocated with a bag over her head; her oppressors also threatened to “ruin her 14-year-old daughter’s life”
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Roza was not just physically beaten by the police, she was sexually tortured and then they threatened her with doing the same to her 14 YO daughter and sending the girl to a brothel, never to see her again.

This is what it's like in the satellite nations under Russian control. Ukraine angered Putin by kicking out his chosen one and has been at war with them ever since.

This is what kleptocratic dictatorship is. The term is a whitewash of sorts and doesn't give an accurate description of the brutality these people visit upon the masses upon whom they depend for the wealth. This is what @0potato0 is defending. He said the US is the worst terrorist nation in the world. Tell that to the people of Kazakhstan, 0.
 
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schuylaar

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Would be kind of cool if all the far flung areas of Russia up and revolted while most of their forces were in Ukraine. Just saying.
Yes, the Island of Dr Moreau..after being experimented upon, the half animal half human bands together. His protection was quickly overrun and those poor creatures mumbled out 'you experimented on us now we experiment on you' as he picks up scalpel; camera cuts to full island shot with Dr. Moreau screaming.

Justice.

I wonder if Putin has enough in his army right now? seems they're all at the border..might be a good opportunity for us:wink:
 

0potato0

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So you basically go randomly insulting anyone and everyone even thought you can't keep track of your conversations, what are you five years old?
 

Fogdog

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So you basically go randomly insulting anyone and everyone even thought you can't keep track of your conversations, what are you five years old?
Clearly my insults to you are not random. Your reply was exactly the same in content and tone of another poster that I was replying to.

So, about that beheading you talked about. Nothing to say about the reports on violent and inhumane actions taken by the Kazakhstan police? You just want to complain about a mis-attribution that I clearly agreed with you on?

Grieve away, boy. I'm not ever going to apologize to a person who defends the actions of the Kazakhstan police force. Two trolls, same asshole.
 

printer

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Half of Russians say military is justified to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO: poll
Twice as many Russians said it would be right for Moscow to take military action to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO compared to those who said it would be wrong, according to a new poll released by CNN on Wednesday.

The survey revealed that 50 percent of Russian participants said they thought use of force would be justified to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO, 25 percent said it would be wrong and the remainder said they were unsure.

However, 43 percent of Russians said it would be wrong for Russia to use military force to "reunite Russia and Ukraine" and 65 percent said they expected a peaceful end to the tensions between the two countries.

Nearly 2 in 3 Russians in the survey said they considered themselves and Ukrainians to be "one people," while around the same percentage of Ukrainians disagreed with this characterization.

Veteran Russian journalist Vladimir Pozner told CNN that Russians are aware that Western leaders have been warning about Russian President Vladimir Putin's possible invasion of Ukraine.

“Russians know what Western leaders are saying. Their statements are widely featured in the media. The general feeling is that the West in fact wants Russia to attack Ukraine because that would be to the West’s advantage, it is goading Russia to attack," said Pozner.

“They are also of the opinion that, while Ukraine could not stand up to an all-out Russian invasion, Russia would lose much more from that than any military victory would win,” he added.

Ukrainians respondents split over how they felt tensions would end, with 43 percent saying the believed it would end peacefully while 43 percent disagreed with this prediction.
 
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