The claw!!!!!!

Redhotstrawberrys

Redhotstrawberrys

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Im posting it here because more people seem to be on this part of the site....
Does anybody have SOLID FACT on this subject,its not just a ph issue as some people rekon,as me personally my ph has been perfect,i want to try prevent this next time as it seriously diminishes the bud size,any one with FACT??it would help alot of people!!
 
CLOSETGROWTH

CLOSETGROWTH

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Redhotstrawberrys said:
Im posting it here because more people seem to be on this part of the site....
Does anybody have SOLID FACT on this subject,its not just a ph issue as some people rekon,as me personally my ph has been perfect,i want to try prevent this next time as it seriously diminishes the bud size,any one with FACT??it would help alot of people!!
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"The claw" happens when there is an excess of nitrogen.

And when there's too much nitrogen, the buds will be smaller.

Its better to give your plant less.

In the plant world "Less is More" ;-)
 
diet103

diet103

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I'm getting "the claw" also (you guys are talking about the talon like leaves, right?) but it is only on RANDOM buds only on a couple plants. Theres no particular one area that shows it. But it does only show on a couple strains. I almost think it must be the strains because I ph all my water and the buds with "the claw" are just as fat as the ones without.
 
Redhotstrawberrys

Redhotstrawberrys

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Dont think its nitrogen,this only happened in the 3rd week of flowering,where theres little to no nitrogen being added,its a strange trait,its fairly random,i would love a solid fact answer to this!!my enviornment is next to perfect,the temp does hit 30,but thats when ive the extractor off for too long when ading co2,would love more feed back on this!!
 
jawbrodt

jawbrodt

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I agree with CLOSETGROWTH that it's too much N causing "the claw", it's the classic symptom. But, as you suspected, different strains are effected differently. Right now, I have Crystal plants that look fine, and Velvet Kush that has "the claw" going on, and I feed them both about the same. They are both mid-bloom too, and the problem started about week 2-3. It's also sorta random, not effecting the whole plant, just some here and some there. One plant has a main cola that's like that, and it's the one that's furthest away from the light. That makes me think that the light somehow aggravates the condition. Weird, because looking at the effected places, most of them are effected places that don't get the most intense light. I also noticed this happen on plants that grew up slightly above the edge of the reflector. Hmm.....I'm still investigating, so give me time. The solution will come, if it's the last thing I do.LOL

Either way, it's still nitrogen related. It never happens to leaves that aren't dark green, loaded with chlorophyll, and they are maxed out with N. It just takes time to adjust to the requirements of each specific strain. :)
 
Redhotstrawberrys

Redhotstrawberrys

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I think its somting to do with irregular light patterns???but then i grew vertically with soil,around a 400watt so the light coverd them fairly well....so.......??????im sceptical bout the nitrogen,specialy in the bloom period,
 
skunkushybrid01

skunkushybrid01

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the claw happens through undernuting. This is why people blame it on pH... they think, well hey i'm feeding enough, there must be a pH imbalance.

The plant is not getting enough nutrients... it could be a temporary thing right after a watering as the medium is too wet making o2 passage difficult, therefore the roots cannot take the ions they need as well as they'd like to. It could be pH blocking the availability of the ions... could be a temperature thing, cold weather will stunt even halt altogether plant growth, like stasis. Mild cold will simply stop the plant processing nues, in particular P. It could also be of course that you simply aren't feeding enough to begin with.

Plants will not take more nutrients than they need... it is impossible. seriously, try it. Germinate a seedling and place it into a 2000pppm medium, watch it grow fine and dandy.
 
CLOSETGROWTH

CLOSETGROWTH

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skunkushybrid01 said:
the claw happens through undernuting. This is why people blame it on pH... they think, well hey i'm feeding enough, there must be a pH imbalance.

The plant is not getting enough nutrients... it could be a temporary thing right after a watering as the medium is too wet making o2 passage difficult, therefore the roots cannot take the ions they need as well as they'd like to. It could be pH blocking the availability of the ions... could be a temperature thing, cold weather will stunt even halt altogether plant growth, like stasis. Mild cold will simply stop the plant processing nues, in particular P. It could also be of course that you simply aren't feeding enough to begin with.

Plants will not take more nutrients than they need... it is impossible. seriously, try it. Germinate a seedling and place it into a 2000pppm medium, watch it grow fine and dandy.
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A seedling in a 2000ppm medium will grow fine and dandy eh? I seriously doubt that. The roots would be fried.

You've been smokin' too much. :roll:
 
Someguy15

Someguy15

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Dark green claws = over nitrogen (you'll also see this on the buds that are on the perimeter if they aren't getting enough light to use all of the N) if they are droopy, wilted, yellowing = over watering claws.
 
skunkushybrid01

skunkushybrid01

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CLOSETGROWTH said:
A seedling in a 2000ppm medium will grow fine and dandy eh? I seriously doubt that. The roots would be fried.

You've been smokin' too much. :roll:
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A baby seedling that is correct... i've done it.

you cannot over fertilize a plant... you can over fertilize the medium but not the plant. the plant will take what it needs like a buffet and leave what it doesn't need.

SUBERIN.
 
Vindicated

Vindicated

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Hmm, that really conflicts with my own experiments. Try this, for the next 2-3 waterings, add a cap full of food coloring to the water. When I did it, my plants turned colors within the hour, showing that it does uptake other things besides what it needs. Just like how researchers have used plants to soak up oil spills and contaminates in the soil.
 
fuking

fuking

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Vindicated said:
Hmm, that really conflicts with my own experiments. Try this, for the next 2-3 waterings, add a cap full of food coloring to the water. When I did it, my plants turned colors within the hour, showing that it does uptake other things besides what it needs. Just like how researchers have used plants to soak up oil spills and contaminates in the soil.
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LOL DERP :clap:
 
TeW33zy

TeW33zy

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CLOSETGROWTH said:
"The claw" happens when there is an excess of nitrogen.

And when there's too much nitrogen, the buds will be smaller.

Its better to give your plant less.

In the plant world "Less is More" ;-)
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That's not why it claws, thats a symptom, but not a root cause. Nitrogen? No, that's not what's going on Sir. The plant claws as the roots are struggling to get oxygen over extended periods of time from chronic overwatering and you increase the photosynthesis by giving it high light or higher ppfd simply more light and the plant can't process the added light. The roots get worst and they start negative phototropism phototropism away from the light in alot of its leaves and the leaf dries out and warps downwards because of gravitational phototropism, it's when the plant stops positive phototropism in leaves and gravitational phototropism starts, pulling the leaves downwards in a claw pattern. It's more to it but u don't have a Masters in Biosystems Agricultural so I don't need to go further and confuse people, that's why it clawing, it's abandoned by the plant and Gravitropism starts. Nothing to do with Nitrogen.

Hope this helps anyone to prevent it in the future. Stop overwatering by transplanting into pots equal width to the plants root zone. Don't grow in 5 gallon until your plants root zone is as wide as the bucket.
 
TeW33zy

TeW33zy

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Redhotstrawberrys said:
Dont think its nitrogen,this only happened in the 3rd week of flowering,where theres little to no nitrogen being added,its a strange trait,its fairly random,i would love a solid fact answer to this!!my enviornment is next to perfect,the temp does hit 30,but thats when ive the extractor off for too long when ading co2,would love more feed back on this!!
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No that's not what's happening
 
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