Examples of GOP Leadership

DIY-HP-LED

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The stated cost of an F-35 is about $80M. With the sport-touring package, extended warranty and a Premium Tactical
Armaments package, double that.

So the pair is about 1/3 of a billion.

To use the Beltway Bandit expression, not even “real money”.
I thought they cost billions, probably do if ya throw in the R&D costs!

In any case America is no stranger to giving foreign aid for political and military purposes and at one time propped up half the dictators in the fucking world! Strongmen raked in billions, shit they were tossing billions in bales in Afghanistan to tribal leaders and government officials.

So you can spend billions on a fence that doesn't work or the same amount on improving conditions in central America, including safe zones for people in each country. If the gangs encroach, uncle Sam says he knows who they are and will target them with drones until they die, then follow through. He will also arm and aid their rival gangs to finish them off, make this clear to them in no uncertain terms. Leave the safe zones alone or die, no court, just death from on high for the leaders.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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I thought they cost billions, probably do if ya throw in the R&D costs!

In any case America is no stranger to giving foreign aid for political and military purposes and at one time propped up half the dictators in the fucking world! Strongmen raked in billions, shit they were tossing billions in bales in Afghanistan to tribal leaders and government officials.

So you can spend billions on a fence that doesn't work or the same amount on improving conditions in central America, including safe zones for people in each country. If the gangs encroach, uncle Sam says he knows who they are and will target them with drones until they die, then follow through. He will also arm and aid their rival gangs to finish them off, make this clear to them in no uncertain terms. Leave the safe zones alone or die, no court, just death from on high for the leaders.
if we were invited by the recognized, legitimate government of a country to help them enforce a safe zone, we could do that, but once you start retaliating outside that safe zone, you invite escalation, you invite terrorist activity in America, you risk condemnation from half the worlds governments...
and how exactly do you tell legitimate citizens in need of protection apart from infiltrating agents, getting in position to attack the zone from the inside?
and arming rival gangs so they can kill each other?....that is frowned upon, see your above statement about propping up dictators...i believe there were a few South American and middle eastern countries in the 80s and 90s that had private armies that were geared up by the cia...that didn't go over well, as i recall.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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if we were invited by the recognized, legitimate government of a country to help them enforce a safe zone, we could do that, but once you start retaliating outside that safe zone, you invite escalation, you invite terrorist activity in America, you risk condemnation from half the worlds governments...
and how exactly do you tell legitimate citizens in need of protection apart from infiltrating agents, getting in position to attack the zone from the inside?
and arming rival gangs so they can kill each other?....that is frowned upon, see your above statement about propping up dictators...i believe there were a few South American and middle eastern countries in the 80s and 90s that had private armies that were geared up by the cia...that didn't go over well, as i recall.
There are ways of deploying power that work and those that don't. America took Afghanistan with some special forces and the idiots then sent in an army of occupation and told the operators to shave and look military again.

People need somewhere safe in the country and I figure some of the Drug Lords are smart enough to figure that out. Soft power should be skillfully employed first. Whenever possible play one off against the other and support the more reasonable ones. As for killing the leaders where they live or wherever they can be found for violations, that would be on a case by case basis and only done when required, but it must be made clear that violations are a death sentence. These people are not religious fanatics or patriots in a nationalist struggle, they are criminals and mercenaries, people out for their own self interest. They are much like the Trump crowd and only care about themselves and not much else, the greed driven are usually logical Roger.
 

printer

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I think people are just taking things a little too seriously lately. It may be time for a good laugh.

Rep. Lauren Boebert to Newsmax: Fact Checkers Are 'Left's Thought Police'
Democrats have managed to corner the market on Big Tech, speech, and thought, but it has become apparent to many more now and Republicans are going to expose it if they retake Congress in 2022, according to Rep. Lauren Boebert, R-Colo., on Newsmax.

Democrats and the government are colluding with Big Tech," Boebert told "Saturday Report." "They are running the show for them. And remember when Jen Psaki said that the White House is working with Facebook to censor misinformation, and we're hearing that that's all opinion based."

Boebert was referring to Facebook being forced to admit in court that "fact-checkers" are opinions.

"Americans want the truth," Boebert told host Carl Higbie. "They need the truth. They deserve it. And one of the things that I'm looking forward to is when Republicans take back the majority is true investigations to get to the bottom of all of this and reveal that to the American people."

Ultimately Democrats should be concerned about Big Tech's taking sides, because they might eventually wind up on the other side of things, Boebert noted, lamenting, "Democrats are OK with a sitting president of the United States being censored – a duly elected sitting member of Congress being censored," pointing to former President Donald Trump and Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga.

"It doesn't matter what side of the aisle you affiliate yourself with, you are affected by Big Tech censorship," she said. "We're living in a dystopian nightmare where unelected Big Tech companies serve as the ultimate arbiters of truth. So-called independent fact checkers are the left's thought police and they come after any conservatives who dared to question their narrative."

Boebert added the assault on facts has been amplified by the COVID-19 pandemic, saying, "we didn't have fact checkers until the truth started coming out."

"We were looking at these numbers at the very beginning, saying this is going to get very ugly if we don't start speaking the truth now and getting a hold of these unelected bureaucrats who are controlling our lives, ruining our businesses."
 

CatHedral

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I think people are just taking things a little too seriously lately. It may be time for a good laugh.

Rep. Lauren Boebert to Newsmax: Fact Checkers Are 'Left's Thought Police'
Democrats have managed to corner the market on Big Tech, speech, and thought, but it has become apparent to many more now and Republicans are going to expose it if they retake Congress in 2022, according to Rep. Lauren Boebert, R-Colo., on Newsmax.

Democrats and the government are colluding with Big Tech," Boebert told "Saturday Report." "They are running the show for them. And remember when Jen Psaki said that the White House is working with Facebook to censor misinformation, and we're hearing that that's all opinion based."

Boebert was referring to Facebook being forced to admit in court that "fact-checkers" are opinions.

"Americans want the truth," Boebert told host Carl Higbie. "They need the truth. They deserve it. And one of the things that I'm looking forward to is when Republicans take back the majority is true investigations to get to the bottom of all of this and reveal that to the American people."

Ultimately Democrats should be concerned about Big Tech's taking sides, because they might eventually wind up on the other side of things, Boebert noted, lamenting, "Democrats are OK with a sitting president of the United States being censored – a duly elected sitting member of Congress being censored," pointing to former President Donald Trump and Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga.

"It doesn't matter what side of the aisle you affiliate yourself with, you are affected by Big Tech censorship," she said. "We're living in a dystopian nightmare where unelected Big Tech companies serve as the ultimate arbiters of truth. So-called independent fact checkers are the left's thought police and they come after any conservatives who dared to question their narrative."

Boebert added the assault on facts has been amplified by the COVID-19 pandemic, saying, "we didn't have fact checkers until the truth started coming out."

"We were looking at these numbers at the very beginning, saying this is going to get very ugly if we don't start speaking the truth now and getting a hold of these unelected bureaucrats who are controlling our lives, ruining our businesses."
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I'd say Steve works for the Chinese, or at least one Chinese guy, it also seems Steve isn't that rich and that's a weakness that can be exploited by increasing his legal costs. Legal fees must be killing a lot of these assholes by now and congressional subpoenas lead to very expensive lawyers.

I haven't heard much from Rudy, last I heard he was broke, desperate and about to face big legal costs himself, I don't think they supply public defenders for congressional subpoenas however, but Rudy was a lawyer. I think Rudy will want to cut a deal, but I'm not sure anybody would want to cut a deal with him, except to confess the big lie and plot on the stand in public. Maybe if he cut a PSA confessing the big lie to mitigate the damage, they might give him a deal, but they have plenty of witnesses and know the story.
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Fogdog

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Republican leadership bars journalists from Iowa Senate floor, worrying press advocates


When Iowa’s 2022 legislative session commences Monday, there will be a notable absence on the floor of the state Senate: reporters.
Republican leaders in the state Senate told journalists last week they will no longer be allowed to work on the chamber floor, a change that breaks with a more than 140-year tradition in the Iowa Capitol. The move raised concerns among free press and freedom of information advocates who said it is a blow to transparency and open government that makes it harder for the public to understand, let alone scrutinize, elected officials.

The new rule denies reporters access to the press benches near senators’ desks, a proximity current and former statehouse reporters told The Washington Post is crucial for the most accurate and nuanced coverage. The position allows reporters to see and hear everything clearly on the Senate floor and to get real-time answers and clarifications during debates.



The thinned skinned army of Wrenfields that represent Trump in Iowa's Senate can't handle a free press reporting freely in the service of freedom. But it's really just a snub. The press will be there, just sitting farther away from the action. This is one more mean, symbolic act done for no good reason other than they can.
 

Fogdog

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I think people are just taking things a little too seriously lately. It may be time for a good laugh.

Rep. Lauren Boebert to Newsmax: Fact Checkers Are 'Left's Thought Police'
Democrats have managed to corner the market on Big Tech, speech, and thought, but it has become apparent to many more now and Republicans are going to expose it if they retake Congress in 2022, according to Rep. Lauren Boebert, R-Colo., on Newsmax.

Democrats and the government are colluding with Big Tech," Boebert told "Saturday Report." "They are running the show for them. And remember when Jen Psaki said that the White House is working with Facebook to censor misinformation, and we're hearing that that's all opinion based."

Boebert was referring to Facebook being forced to admit in court that "fact-checkers" are opinions.

"Americans want the truth," Boebert told host Carl Higbie. "They need the truth. They deserve it. And one of the things that I'm looking forward to is when Republicans take back the majority is true investigations to get to the bottom of all of this and reveal that to the American people."

Ultimately Democrats should be concerned about Big Tech's taking sides, because they might eventually wind up on the other side of things, Boebert noted, lamenting, "Democrats are OK with a sitting president of the United States being censored – a duly elected sitting member of Congress being censored," pointing to former President Donald Trump and Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga.

"It doesn't matter what side of the aisle you affiliate yourself with, you are affected by Big Tech censorship," she said. "We're living in a dystopian nightmare where unelected Big Tech companies serve as the ultimate arbiters of truth. So-called independent fact checkers are the left's thought police and they come after any conservatives who dared to question their narrative."

Boebert added the assault on facts has been amplified by the COVID-19 pandemic, saying, "we didn't have fact checkers until the truth started coming out."

"We were looking at these numbers at the very beginning, saying this is going to get very ugly if we don't start speaking the truth now and getting a hold of these unelected bureaucrats who are controlling our lives, ruining our businesses."
The words "attention whore" came to mind.

I do appreciate the way she shreds logic. "we didn't have fact checkers until the truth started coming out."" lulz Not much can be fact checked without facts to check.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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DIY-HP-LED

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I would suggest to my American friends that you become involved in local politics, particularly running and monitoring local elections on the county and district level, minor posts and get behind your democratic candidate for secretary of state. This article should concern people, too many on the left are online activists and there are not enough ground pounders, door knockers or phone callers and political workers in general. Fund raise if you can and make enemies. You need a plan to win in your county, district and state, your country won't save itself.

Read this to see what the republicans are doing, you'll be counting jelly beans to vote and they will toss it anyway, disenfranchise you and steal your voice. They will elect and appoint crooks and fanatics to these positions of trust, if you let them.
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Steve Bannon Is Onto Something

In his 2020 book “Politics Is for Power,” Eitan Hersh, a political scientist at Tufts, sketched a day in the life of many political obsessives in sharp, if cruel, terms.

I refresh my Twitter feed to keep up on the latest political crisis, then toggle over to Facebook to read clickbait news stories, then over to YouTube to see a montage of juicy clips from the latest congressional hearing. I then complain to my family about all the things I don’t like that I have seen.

To Hersh, that’s not politics. It’s what he calls “political hobbyism.” And it’s close to a national pastime. “A third of Americans say they spend two hours or more each day on politics,” he writes. “Of these people, four out of five say that not one minute of that time is spent on any kind of real political work. It’s all TV news and podcasts and radio shows and social media and cheering and booing and complaining to friends and family.”

Real political work, for Hersh, is the intentional, strategic accumulation of power in service of a defined end. It is action in service of change, not information in service of outrage. This distinction is on my mind because, like so many others, I’ve spent the week revisiting the attempted coup of Jan. 6, marinating in my fury toward the Republicans who put fealty toward Donald Trump above loyalty toward country and the few but pivotal Senate Democrats who are proving, day after day, that they think the filibuster more important than the franchise. Let me tell you, the tweets and columns I drafted in my head were searing.

But fury is useful only as fuel. We need a Plan B for democracy. Plan A was to pass H.R. 1 and the John Lewis Voting Rights Act. Neither bill, as of now, has a path to President Biden’s desk. I’ve found that you provoke a peculiar anger if you state this, as if admitting the problem were the cause of the problem. I fear denial has left many Democrats stuck on a national strategy with little hope of near-term success. In order to protect democracy, Democrats have to win more elections. And to do that, they need to make sure the country’s local electoral machinery isn’t corrupted by the Trumpist right.

“The people thinking strategically about how to win the 2022 election are the ones doing the most for democracy,” said Daniel Ziblatt, a political scientist at Harvard and one of the authors of “How Democracies Die.” “I’ve heard people saying bridges don’t save democracy — voting rights do. But for Democrats to be in a position to protect democracy, they need bigger majorities.”

There are people working on a Plan B. This week, I half-jokingly asked Ben Wikler, the chairman of the Wisconsin Democratic Party, what it felt like to be on the front lines of protecting American democracy. He replied, dead serious, by telling me what it was like. He spends his days obsessing over mayoral races in 20,000-person towns, because those mayors appoint the city clerks who decide whether to pull the drop boxes for mail-in ballots and small changes to electoral administration could be the difference between winning Senator Ron Johnson’s seat in 2022 (and having a chance at democracy reform) and losing the race and the Senate. Wikler is organizing volunteers to staff phone banks to recruit people who believe in democracy to serve as municipal poll workers, because Steve Bannon has made it his mission to recruit people who don’t believe in democracy to serve as municipal poll workers.

I’ll say this for the right: They pay attention to where the power lies in the American system, in ways the left sometimes doesn’t. Bannon calls this “the precinct strategy,” and it’s working. “Suddenly, people who had never before showed interest in party politics started calling the local G.O.P. headquarters or crowding into county conventions, eager to enlist as precinct officers,” ProPublica reports. “They showed up in states Trump won and in states he lost, in deep-red rural areas, in swing-voting suburbs and in populous cities.”

The difference between those organizing at the local level to shape democracy and those raging ineffectually about democratic backsliding — myself included — remind me of the old line about war: Amateurs talk strategy; professionals talk logistics. Right now, Trumpists are talking logistics.

“We do not have one federal election,” said Amanda Litman, a co-founder of Run for Something, which helps first-time candidates learn about the offices they can contest and helps them mount their campaigns. “We have 50 state elections and then thousands of county elections. And each of those ladder up to give us results. While Congress can write, in some ways, rules or boundaries for how elections are administered, state legislatures are making decisions about who can and can’t vote. Counties and towns are making decisions about how much money they’re spending, what technology they’re using, the rules around which candidates can participate.”

An NPR analysis found 15 Republicans running for secretary of state in 2022 who doubt the legitimacy of Biden’s win. In Georgia, Brad Raffensperger, the incumbent Republican secretary of state who stood fast against Trump’s pressure, faces two primary challengers who hold that Trump was 2020’s rightful winner. Trump has endorsed one of them, Representative Jody Hice. He’s also endorsed candidates for secretary of state in Arizona and Michigan who backed him in 2020 and stand ready to do so in 2024. As NPR dryly noted, “The duties of a state secretary of state vary, but in most cases, they are the state’s top voting official and have a role in carrying out election laws.”

Nor is it just secretaries of state. “Voter suppression is happening at every level of government here in Georgia,” Representative Nikema Williams, who chairs the Georgia Democratic Party, told me. “We have 159 counties, and so 159 different ways boards of elections are elected and elections are carried out. So we have 159 different leaders who control election administration in the state. We’ve seen those boards restrict access by changing the number of ballot boxes. Often, our Black members on these boards are being pushed out.”

America’s confounding political structure creates two mismatches that bedevil democracy’s would-be defenders. The first mismatch is geographic. Your country turns on elections held in Georgia and Wisconsin, and if you live in California or New York, you’re left feeling powerless.

But that’s somewhere between an illusion and a cop-out. A constant complaint among those working to win these offices is that progressives donate hundreds of millions to presidential campaigns and long-shot bids against top Republicans, even as local candidates across the country are starved for funds.

“Democratic major donors like to fund the flashy things,” Litman told me. “Presidential races, Senate races, super PACs, TV ads. Amy McGrath can raise $90 million to run against Mitch McConnell in a doomed race, but the number of City Council and school board candidates in Kentucky who can raise what they need is …” She trailed off in frustration.

The second mismatch is emotional. If you’re frightened that America is sliding into authoritarianism, you want to support candidates, run campaigns and donate to causes that directly focus on the crisis of democracy. But few local elections are run as referendums on Trump’s big lie. They’re about trash pickup and bond ordinances and traffic management and budgeting and disaster response.
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DIY-HP-LED

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continued from above.
Lina Hidalgo ran for county judge in Harris County, Texas, after the 2016 election. Trump’s campaign had appalled her, and she wanted to do something. “I learned about this position that had flown under the radar for a very long time,” she told me. “It was the type of seat that only ever changed who held it when the incumbent died or was convicted of a crime. But it controls the budget for the county. Harris County is nearly the size of Colorado in population, larger than 28 states. It’s the budget for the hospital system, roads, bridges, libraries, the jail. And part of that includes funding the electoral system.”

Hidalgo didn’t campaign as a firebrand progressive looking to defend Texas from Trump. She won it, she told me, by focusing on what mattered most to her neighbors: the constant flooding of the county, as violent storms kept overwhelming dilapidated infrastructure. “I said, ‘Do you want a community that floods year after year?’” She won, and after she won, she joined with her colleagues to spend $13 million more on election administration and to allow residents to vote at whichever polling place was convenient for them on Election Day, even if it wasn’t the location they’d been assigned.

Protecting democracy by supporting county supervisors or small-town mayors — particularly ones who fit the politics of more conservative communities — can feel like being diagnosed with heart failure and being told the best thing to do is to double-check your tax returns and those of all your neighbors.

“If you want to fight for the future of American democracy, you shouldn’t spend all day talking about the future of American democracy,” Wikler said. “These local races that determine the mechanics of American democracy are the ventilation shaft in the Republican death star. These races get zero national attention. They hardly get local attention. Turnout is often lower than 20 percent. That means people who actually engage have a superpower. You, as a single dedicated volunteer, might be able to call and knock on the doors of enough voters to win a local election.”

Or you can simply win one yourself. That’s what Gabriella Cázares-Kelly did. Cázares-Kelly, a member of the Tohono O’odham Nation, agreed to staff a voter registration booth at the community college where she worked, in Pima County, Ariz. She was stunned to hear the stories of her students. “We keep blaming students for not participating, but it’s really complicated to get registered to vote if you don’t have a license, the nearest D.M.V. is an hour and a half away and you don’t own a car,” she told me.

Cázares-Kelly learned that much of the authority over voter registration fell to an office neither she nor anyone around her knew much about: the County Recorder’s Office, which has authority over records ranging from deeds to voter registrations. It had powers she’d never considered. It could work with the postmaster’s office to put registration forms in tribal postal offices — or not. When it called a voter to verify a ballot and heard an answering machine message in Spanish, it could follow up in Spanish — or not.

“I started contacting the records office and making suggestions and asking questions,” Cázares-Kelly said. “I did that for a long time, and the previous recorder was not very happy about it. I called so often, the staff began to know me. I didn’t have an interest in running till I heard the previous recorder was going to retire, and then my immediate thought was, ‘What if a white supremacist runs?’”

So in 2020, Cázares-Kelly ran, and she won. Now she’s the county recorder for a jurisdiction with nearly a million people, and more than 600,000 registered voters, in a swing state. “One thing I was really struck by when I first started getting involved in politics is how much power there is in just showing up to things,” she said. “If you love libraries, libraries have board meetings. Go to the public meeting. See where they’re spending their money. We’re supposed to be participating. If you want to get involved, there’s always a way.”
 

schuylaar

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I'm old fashioned when it comes to a mob of lunatics trying to invade the capitol and kill elected representatives. We better understand the restraint of the military now and perhaps even the capitol police, to prevent Trump from invoking the insurrection act. He expected counter protesters and none showed up, that and shooting would have provided the pretext to invoke it and clean out the capitol for "security" reasons, thus delaying the certification. The morons who invaded the capitol had no plan and no path to victory, unless the insurrection act was declared and then many of them might have become victims.

I said for the cost of these planes and that is in the billions each, it wouldn't take much money to improve things dramatically there.
that would make too much sense and this is America, mind you.
 
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