January 6th hearings on Trump's failed insurrection.

GoatSoup

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Scenes I'd like to see:

Mar-a-Largo, Jan 6th 2022.
Just as DJT is introduced to speak, 16 US marshals approach the podium bearing subpoenas from Congress and the SDNY to appear for interrogation for Sedition and Fraud.
Throwing Lumpy off and causing him to lose his shit in ranting in a way that caused the LSM to run click bait about his "Big Lie" for days and days!
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Judge Denies Flynn Request For Restraining Order To Block Jan. 6 Subpoena

A federal judge denied Michael Flynn’s request for a temporary restraining order that he sought to block the Jan. 6 subpoena and the requirement for him to testify, only one day after he filed the request. Pete Williams reports.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The requests come before the holidays, the subpoenas will come after the new year when they start back up.
Jan. 6 Committee Requests Information From Rep. Jim Jordan

The January 6 select committee has requested information from Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, including possible conversations he may have had with former President Trump the day of the Capitol riot. NBC's Garrett Haake and Pete Williams have details.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Dr. Jha: Getting Covid to be 'like a bad cold' would be a 'victory'

Dr. Ashish Jha, Dean of Brown University’s School of Public Health, talks the threat of the omicron variant, the potential need for more booster shots and what the U.S. can learn from other countries on Covid.
 

CunningCanuk

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He won't like the things the prosecution will say about him when they present the case, I figure they will have to tie him to his chair and ball gag him, if they needle him just right! Also Donald will call the justice system and judge into ill repute and might inadvertently end up on TV in court for his public humiliation. Justice must not just be done, it must be seen to be done and if Donald blathers about corrupt courts etc, the public might just see justice done. I hope he has a hard ass black female NY judge who will put him in his place on TV and drive him nuts at the same time. I also hope she orders him tied to his chair and ball gagged on TV. I can see him now, his eyes bugged out, squirming and grunting in the chair, with a nice orange ball gag in his gob from a local sex shop, a dirty sock won't do for a former POTUS! He will probably have a mask over his face though, cause covid will still be around...
He would be filling his diapers.
 

schuylaar

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He won't like the things the prosecution will say about him when they present the case, I figure they will have to tie him to his chair and ball gag him, if they needle him just right! Also Donald will call the justice system and judge into ill repute and might inadvertently end up on TV in court for his public humiliation. Justice must not just be done, it must be seen to be done and if Donald blathers about corrupt courts etc, the public might just see justice done. I hope he has a hard ass black female NY judge who will put him in his place on TV and drive him nuts at the same time. I also hope she orders him tied to his chair and ball gagged on TV. I can see him now, his eyes bugged out, squirming and grunting in the chair, with a nice orange ball gag in his gob from a local sex shop, a dirty sock won't do for a former POTUS! He will probably have a mask over his face though, cause covid will still be around...
i hope he gets a black female judge; prominent with jelly bean jar near the white supremacist testifying- i like reminders.
 

schuylaar

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i believe they were told to stand down..there was all that stink with Pentagon and Generals Flynn (brother of- you guessed it) and some other general.

those two general are in trouble i'd say.

they said in the article they 'were afraid' the moron would invoke insurrection act? we're talking Flynn's brother?

i saw an interview that said something way different..if you care i could look but if you don't let me know..i remember it was a general interview on tv and he said exactly what happened because he was the one calling the Pentagon, so he should know.

General Milley.
 
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printer

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i believe they were told to stand down..there was all that stink with Pentagon and Generals Flynn (brother of- you guessed it) and some other general.

those two general are in trouble i'd say.

they said in the article they 'were afraid' the moron would invoke insurrection act? we're talking Flynn's brother?

i saw an interview that said something way different..if you care i could look but if you don't let me know..i remember it was a general interview on tv and he said exactly what happened because he was the one calling the Pentagon, so he should know.

General Milley.
Have not read it yet but promises to be a good read.

Crisis of Command: The Pentagon, The President, and January 6
One of the most vexing questions about Jan. 6 is why the National Guard took more than three hours to arrive at the Capitol after D.C. authorities and Capitol Police called for immediate assistance. The Pentagon’s restraint in allowing the Guard to get to the Capitol was not simply a reflection of officials’ misgivings about the deployment of military force during the summer 2020 protests, nor was it simply a concern about “optics” of having military personnel at the Capitol. Instead, evidence is mounting that the most senior defense officials did not want to send troops to the Capitol because they harbored concerns that President Donald Trump might utilize the forces’ presence in an attempt to hold onto power.
 

printer

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Trump asks Supreme Court to block National Archives from releasing Jan. 6 records
Trump's lawyers filed an emergency petition with the Supreme Court ahead of a Thursday deadline to seek a review imposed by the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, which rejected the former president's suit earlier this month.

They argued that the circuit court's decision would set a bad precedent in future disputes over access to former presidents' confidential records and asked for a temporary order blocking the release while the Supreme Court considers whether to give the case a full hearing.

"The D.C. Circuit’s opinion endorsed the power of a congressional committee to broadly seek the records of a prior Presidential administration and, as long as the incumbent President agrees to waive executive privilege, gain unfettered access to confidential communications of that administration," Trump's filing reads. "This troubling ruling lacks any meaningful or objective limiting principle. In an increasingly partisan political climate, such records requests will become the norm regardless of what party is in power. Consequently, this Court’s review is critical."

"On the record before us, former President Trump has provided no basis for this court to override President Biden’s judgment and the agreement and accommodations worked out between the Political Branches over these documents," Judge Patricia Millett wrote in the D.C. Circuit decision earlier this month.

Trump's lawyers have argued that Biden's disregard of the former president's own assertions of executive privilege is unconstitutional.

"The disagreement between an incumbent President and his predecessor from a rival political party is both novel and highlights the importance of executive privilege and the ability of Presidents and their advisers to reliably make and receive full and frank advice, without concern that communications will be publicly released to meet a political objective," Trump's filing reads.

A temporary stay could be granted unilaterally by the justice who receives the emergency application, which in this case is Chief Justice John Roberts, but in order for the Supreme Court to take up the case, it will require the approval of at least four of the justices.

Would like to see Roberts say, "Nah."
 

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Flynn suit against Jan. 6 committee dismissed over procedural errors
A federal judge on Wednesday dismissed former national security adviser Michael Flynn's lawsuit against the House Jan. 6 select committee for failing to follow procedural rules in filing his case, but said he would have an opportunity to make corrections and re-submit it to the court.
U.S. District Judge Mary Scriven said in an order issued just one day after the lawsuit was filed that, among other things, Flynn's lawyers failed to show that there was an imminent need for the court to intervene against a set of subpoenas from the select committee aimed at the retired general and his phone provider.

"Flynn may refile his Motion if he believes that he can comply with the procedural requirements discussed above," wrote Scriven, who was appointed by former President George W. Bush. "Of course, if the Select Committee attempts to expedite the response dates for document requests from Flynn or for the third-party subpoenas, Flynn may seek appropriate relief from the Court. If Flynn chooses to renew his request for a temporary restraining order, he must adequately explain why injunctive relief is necessary before Defendants have an opportunity to respond."

Flynn's attorney, David Warrington, said in a statement that Scriven's order will not affect their underlying case challenging the subpoena.
"General Flynn looks forward to obtaining relief from Congress’s unconstitutional and unlawful investigation in the normal course of his pending suit for injunctive relief that was not affected by today’ order," Warrington said.
Flynn sued the select committee on Tuesday, after not showing up for a scheduled deposition the day before.

In his suit, Flynn challenged the validity of the subpoenas for his testimony and for his personal phone records and argued that the demands violate his constitutional rights.

"Without intervention by this Court, General Flynn faces the harm of being irreparably and illegally coerced to produce information and testimony in violation of the law and his constitutional rights," his complaint reads. "He will also be illegally and irreparably harmed by the Select Committee’s unlawful and secret seizure of his and his family’s personal information from their telecommunications and/or electronic mail service providers.
 

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Jim Jordan says he has 'real concerns' with Jan. 6 panel after sit-down request
Jordan was asked about the letter in an interview with “Fox News Primetime” guest host Brian Kilmeade.

“It looks like the Jan. 6 committee, who didn't want you on them, on the Jan. 6 committee, might want you in front of them to take questions. What will your reaction be? Will it be the same as Mark Meadows — take a walk — or would you sit down and speak to them?” Kilmeade asked Jordan.

“I mean we just got the letter today, Brian,” Jordan answered, later alleging that the committee had previously altered documents.

“We're going to review the letter, but I gotta be honest with you. I got real concerns about any committee that will take a document and alter it and present it to the American people, completely mislead the American people like they did last week,” he added.

Jordan was apparently referring to a hearing earlier this month in which Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) read part of a forwarded text that Jordan sent to Meadows, the former White House chief of staff.

The text, which Schiff attributed to an unnamed lawmaker at the time, said then-Vice President Mike Pence "should call out all electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all" during the election certification process on Jan. 6. Sources confirmed to CNN that Schiff read only a portion of the full text sent by Jordan.

Earlier on Wednesday, the Jan. 6 committee sent a letter to Jordan seeking his cooperation in its probe, claiming he likely had communicated with then-President Trump on the day of the riot.

“We understand that you had at least one and possibly multiple communications with President Trump on January 6th,” Chairman Bennie Thompson wrote in his letter.

“We would like to discuss each such communication with you in detail. And we also wish to inquire about any communications you had on January 5th or 6th with those in the Willard War Room, the Trump legal team, White House personnel or others involved in organizing or planning the actions and strategies for January 6th,” he added.

The committee is also interested in "any discussions involving the possibility of presidential pardons for individuals involved in any aspect of January 6th or the planning for January 6th," Thompson wrote.
 

schuylaar

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Jim Jordan says he has 'real concerns' with Jan. 6 panel after sit-down request
Jordan was asked about the letter in an interview with “Fox News Primetime” guest host Brian Kilmeade.

“It looks like the Jan. 6 committee, who didn't want you on them, on the Jan. 6 committee, might want you in front of them to take questions. What will your reaction be? Will it be the same as Mark Meadows — take a walk — or would you sit down and speak to them?” Kilmeade asked Jordan.

“I mean we just got the letter today, Brian,” Jordan answered, later alleging that the committee had previously altered documents.

“We're going to review the letter, but I gotta be honest with you. I got real concerns about any committee that will take a document and alter it and present it to the American people, completely mislead the American people like they did last week,” he added.

Jordan was apparently referring to a hearing earlier this month in which Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) read part of a forwarded text that Jordan sent to Meadows, the former White House chief of staff.

The text, which Schiff attributed to an unnamed lawmaker at the time, said then-Vice President Mike Pence "should call out all electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all" during the election certification process on Jan. 6. Sources confirmed to CNN that Schiff read only a portion of the full text sent by Jordan.

Earlier on Wednesday, the Jan. 6 committee sent a letter to Jordan seeking his cooperation in its probe, claiming he likely had communicated with then-President Trump on the day of the riot.

“We understand that you had at least one and possibly multiple communications with President Trump on January 6th,” Chairman Bennie Thompson wrote in his letter.

“We would like to discuss each such communication with you in detail. And we also wish to inquire about any communications you had on January 5th or 6th with those in the Willard War Room, the Trump legal team, White House personnel or others involved in organizing or planning the actions and strategies for January 6th,” he added.

The committee is also interested in "any discussions involving the possibility of presidential pardons for individuals involved in any aspect of January 6th or the planning for January 6th," Thompson wrote.
i would have real concerns too knowing my job is on the line and I've been implicated in organizing and participating in an Insurrection of the United States of America on Janaury 6, 2021..again his employer- which minimally is insubordination and should be termed.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Joy Reid: House GOP Is Trying To Throw All The Sand It Can Into Jan. 6 Probe Gears

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy is attempting to install Jim Jordan--a possible leader of the Capitol insurrection--on Jan. 6 House select committee investigating the failed coup.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Legal Expert: DOJ Must Immediately Conduct 'Full-Blown' Jan. 6 Probe

Laurence Tribe calls on his former student, Attorney General Garland, to take action over Trump’s role in the insurrection: “If Merrick Garland has not yet ginned up a full-blown investigation, he should do so yesterday.”
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Will Donald Trump Get Away With Inciting an Insurrection?
By Laurence H. Tribe, Donald Ayer and Dennis Aftergut
Mr. Tribe taught constitutional law at Harvard for 50 years. Merrick Garland was one of his students. Mr. Ayer oversaw criminal prosecutions and investigations as Ronald Reagan’s U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of California. He later served as deputy attorney general. Mr. Aftergut handled a number of complex investigations and prosecutions as a federal prosecutor in San Francisco.


In his nine months in office, Attorney General Merrick Garland has done a great deal to restore integrity and evenhanded enforcement of the law to an agency that was badly misused for political reasons under his predecessor. But his place in history will be assessed against the challenges that confronted him. And the overriding test that he and the rest of the government face is the threat to our democracy from people bent on destroying it.

Mr. Garland’s success depends on ensuring that the rule of law endures. That means dissuading future coup plotters by holding the leaders of the insurrection fully accountable for their attempt to overthrow the government. But he cannot do so without a robust criminal investigation of those at the top, from the people who planned, assisted or funded the attempt to overturn the Electoral College vote to those who organized or encouraged the mob attack on the Capitol. To begin with, he might focus on Mark Meadows, Steve Bannon, Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman and even Donald Trump — all of whom were involved, in one way or another, in the events leading up to the attack.

Almost a year after the insurrection, we have yet to see any clear indicators that such an investigation is underway, raising the alarming possibility that this administration may never bring charges against those ultimately responsible for the attack.

While the Justice Department has filed charges against more than 700 people who participated in the violence, limiting the investigation to these foot soldiers would be a grave mistake: As Joanne Freeman, a Yale historian, wrote this month about the insurrection, “Accountability — the belief that political power holders are responsible for their actions and that blatant violations will be addressed — is the lifeblood of democracy. Without it, there can be no trust in government, and without trust, democratic governments have little power.”

The legal path to investigate the leaders of the coup attempt is clear. The criminal code prohibits inciting an insurrection or “giving aid or comfort” to those who do, as well as conspiracy to forcibly “prevent, hinder or delay the execution of any law of the United States.” The code also makes it a crime to corruptly impede any official proceeding or deprive citizens of their constitutional right to vote.

Based purely on what we know today from news reports and the steady stream of revelations coming from the House select committee investigating the attack, the attorney general has a powerful justification for a robust and forceful investigation into the former president and his inner circle. As White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows was intimately involved in the effort to overturn the election. He traveled to Georgia last December, where he apparently laid the groundwork for the phone call in which the president pressured Georgia’s secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, to “find 11,780 votes.” Representative Jim Jordan of Ohio reportedly promoted a scheme to pressure Vice President Mike Pence to reject duly certified Joe Biden electors. And from their war room at the Willard Hotel, several members of the president’s inner circle hatched the legal strategy to overturn the results of the election.

The president himself sat back for three hours while his chief of staff was barraged with messages from members of Congress and Fox News hosts pleading with him to have Mr. Trump call off the armed mob whose violent passion he had inflamed. That evidence, on its own, may not be enough to convict the former president, but it is certainly enough to require a criminal investigation.

And yet there are no signs, at least in media reports, that the attorney general is building a case against these individuals — no interviews with top administration officials, no reports of attempts to persuade the foot soldiers to turn on the people who incited them to violence. By this point in the Russia investigation, the special counsel Robert Mueller had indicted Paul Manafort and Rick Gates and secured the cooperation of George Papadopoulos after charging him with lying to the F.B.I. The media was reporting that the special counsel’s team had conducted or scheduled interviews with Mr. Trump’s aides Stephen Miller and Mr. Bannon, as well as Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

Of course, there is no way to know for sure whether Mr. Garland’s Department of Justice is investigating the leaders of the attack behind closed doors. Justice Department policy does not permit announcing investigations, absent exceptional circumstances. Mr. Garland, unlike his predecessor, plays by the book, keeping quiet about investigations until charges are filed. But the first of the rioters to plead guilty began cooperating with the Justice Department back in April. If prosecutors have been using their cooperation to investigate the top officials and operatives responsible for the siege of the Capitol and our democracy, there would likely be significant confirmation in the media by now.

It is possible that the department is deferring the decision about starting a full-blown investigative effort pending further work by the House select committee. It is even conceivable that the department is waiting for the committee’s final report so that federal prosecutors can review the documents, interviews and recommendations amassed by House investigators and can consider any potential referrals for criminal prosecution.

But such an approach would come at a very high cost. In the prosecution business, interviews need to happen as soon as possible after the events in question, to prevent both forgetfulness and witness coordination to conceal the truth. A comprehensive Department of Justice probe of the leadership is now more urgently needed than ever.

It is also imperative that Mr. Trump be included on the list of those being investigated. The media has widely reported his role in many of the relevant events, and there is no persuasive reason to exclude him.

First, he has no claim to constitutional immunity from prosecution. The Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel has recognized such immunity only for sitting presidents because a criminal trial would prevent them from discharging the duties of their office. Mr. Trump no longer has those duties to discharge.

Nor is exclusion of the former president remotely justified by the precedent President Gerald Ford set in pardoning Richard Nixon to help the country “heal” from Watergate. Even our proud tradition of not mimicking banana republics by allowing political winners to retaliate against losers must give way in the wake of violence perpetrated to thwart the peaceful transition of power. Refusing to at least investigate those who plot to end democracy — and who would remain engaged in efforts to do so — would be beyond foolhardy.

Furthermore, the pending state and local investigations in New York and Atlanta will never be able to provide the kind of accountability the nation clearly needs. The New York case, which revolves around tax fraud, has nothing to do with the attack on our government. The Atlanta district attorney appears to be probing Mr. Trump’s now infamous call to Mr. Raffensperger. But that is just one chapter of the wrongdoing that led up to the attack on the Capitol.

Significantly, even if the Atlanta district attorney is able to convict Mr. Meadows and Mr. Trump for interfering in Georgia’s election, they could still run for office again. Only convicting them for participating in an insurrection would permanently disqualify them from office under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

Some have expressed pessimism that the Department of Justice would be able to convict Mr. Trump. His guilt would ultimately be for a jury to decide, and some jurors might believe he deluded himself into believing his own big lie and thus genuinely thought he was saving, rather than sabotaging, the election. But concerns about a conviction are no reason to refrain from an investigation. If anything, a federal criminal investigation could unearth even more evidence and provide a firmer basis for deciding whether to indict.

To decline from the outset to investigate would be appeasement, pure and simple, and appeasing bullies and wrongdoers only encourages more of the same. Without forceful action to hold the wrongdoers to account, we will likely not resist what some retired generals see as a march to another insurrection in 2024 if Mr. Trump or another demagogue loses.

Throughout his public life, Mr. Garland has been a highly principled public servant focused on doing the right thing. But only by holding the leaders of the Jan. 6 insurrection — all of them — to account can he secure the future and teach the next generation that no one is above the law. If he has not done so already, we implore the attorney general to step up to that task.
 
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