What is your faith, path or belief?

[puffdamagikdragon]

Who in this world are seperated one against?

There are very few christians.

But as I said...you can't please God without faith.

For faith is looking for the evidence of God...and only selve can search for that evidence.

God comes to us...there is no way we can find him without faith.

The natural understanding that we have is also the enemy of selve...it hinders our faith.

See, that is the problem. You speak of seeking, and faith. Sounds like you still haven't experienced it. I KNOW 'God" (or MY God, anyway), I have experienced my 'God', I have no need of faith or seeking, I KNOW and I have FOUND what I sought. You are seeking a fantasy, that is why you must cling to knowing OF God, rather than KNOWING God. And God is inside you RIGHT NOW, you don't hafta go looking anywere but inside. It is only your enomous ego that blocks you. Your ego is convinced (cuz relgion has taught you this) that God is something outside of you that you hafta earn. NOthing is farther from the truth. Know yourself, and you will be known. Nosce ti epson, gnothi seauton, KNOW THYSELF. You ain't found God yet, that is why you must rely on faith. You ain't found God yet, so what would you know about it?

I'll try and make this simple for you. I KNOW my house, my bedroom, my bathroom. I know it personally, intimately, I have EXPERINCED it. I KNOW OF, say, Paris. Never been there, never walked the streets. Yet I know Paris exists, but I do not KNOW Paris, I know OF Paris. Same thing with God. You know OF God, but you don't KNOW God. If you KNEW, (rather than KNEW OF) you wouldn't need faith or belief. I don't need faith to know my house, but I do to know OF Paris. I have faith it is real, but I dont' KNOW.

Are ya diggin what I am laying down?

 

[puffdamagikdragon]

In other words you believe what you see(understand)is this selve not the religion of this world?

Umm, I don't get this. Rephrase, and leave out 'selve,' and I mite understand your question. I'd be glad to answer, but I ain't understanding what you are asking.

And besides, I said this world was illusionary. Did you catch that?

 

[pillarize]

If you believe God is in you...would you not say that God is able to speak to us?

What if your god is selve...would you not be breaking one of his commandments?

Saying that there should be no other gods before him.

I have been made known to God through his Christ...Who do you suppose Christ is?

 

[barrgemike]

I believe in a creator of it all. But I'm curious to what is before him.

I definitely believe in an afterlife, a life beyond what we live now. I mean... what is the point of our expanding concentiousness...
Does it just end? Cease to exist? Or does it continue on through different phases through out eternity. We may not be able to comprehend what eternity is, but that does not mean it doesn't exist.




Only one way to find out.

I'll just second his answer, I kinda think that reincarnation would work..maybe.

 

[puffdamagikdragon]

But your GOd I call the Demiurge, it was the Jewish Creator God. Your God also killed the firstborn Egyptians, told 'his' people to kill every last woman and child of other nations, flooded the world, has a man sacrifice his beautiful baby girl to 'him'- need I go on? (Altho to me (and other Valentian gnostics) the Jewish Creator God and the one in charge SINCE the garden of eden are two different beings, the one in charge of the world now is Sabboath, or God of the Forces, the demiurge, the God of the Garden of Eden, was Yaltaboath. But they were both Archons, and not the TRUE God.)

What I worship, and was called by Yeshua 'My Father' (Yeshua is Jesus in Hebrew) is NOT YHWH, the Jewish Creator God, nor was it Sabboath, God of the Forces. That being is called Satan.

Now that would change everything, wuddint?

MY God never does anything but give Love and Light. MY God didn't create death, does not rule the world, didn't give the commandments to Moses. Remember how many times Yeshua said "Moses told you this but I say this....'' Reason for that.

 

[puffdamagikdragon]

I'll just second his answer, I kinda think that reincarnation would work..maybe.

I am of the path that you are thrown back into the gilgumic cycle (to use a kabbalistic term) until you aquire gnosis (to use a gnostic term).

Basically, you are reborn over and over until you discover you are not of this world, you discover the connection to God within you, you aquire gnosis and you break from the gilgumic cycle at the moment of physical death, and you see your life was never about your physical existance, this is only a classroom where we all graduate, sooner or later, but some are further along, and have glimpsed gnosis, and know that they are not thier bodies. When you discover this, you will realise you are not your body and when it dies it doesn't mean YOU die, cuz you are independant of the physical state now.

Did I get too deep?

 

[CrackerJax]

Who do you suppose Christ WAS is a better constructed statement.......

For the sake of civility, let's assume that there was a Jesus (it is an assumption).
I won't bother you with showing how the Bible is a compilation of "here say" and totally anonymous authors.

Jesus was a man who in my opinion emulated the ways of Ghandi (or vice versa) .. passive resistance combined with leading by example. Was Jesus trying to change the world? Certainly not. Jesus considered himself beyond anything a GOOD JEW.
His message was for JEWS only. It was Paul of Tsarsus who took the word of Jesus to the gentiles because it was a complete failure with his own people. Jesus would not have approved, his message was for JEWS ONLY. In the end he miscalculated and violated his holy observances at the temple and paid the price of death at the hands of his own people.

The myth making didn't occur for 60 or 70 years following his supposed death (there are no records of him even though COPIOUS records were kept in that city at that time).

Someone mentioned Joseph Campbell earlier and it is a good suggestion. Google up some of his books.....check out "the power of myth". It's a great read and may open your eyes to the larger picture.



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[puffdamagikdragon]

If you believe God is in you...would you not say that God is able to speak to us?

What if your god is selve...would you not be breaking one of his commandments?

Saying that there should be no other gods before him.

I have been made known to God through his Christ...Who do you suppose Christ is?

Missed your last statement. Sorry.

Christ is within me, and you, and all of us. The Christos wecall it. And Yeshua said, "The kingdom of the Father is inside you, and all around you." Gospel of Thomas

 

[puffdamagikdragon]

Actually, Jax, you and I could get into a really good discussion about this. The same views were also later voiced by Buddha, Mani, and some Asian guy I can't think of his name now. THere have been many 'lightbringers' into the world.

WHile I am the first to recognise there is no hisotrical documentation of ANYTHING in the Bible, and I dont hold to the Bible cuz it is not complete, they left the most important parts out, still I do think that the stories of Yeshua (Jesus) to be a Jewish retelling of the Osirus/Dyonisis mythos, too many paralles. But that is becuz Constantine paganized the original words of Yeshua (all we had to begin with, the Gospel of Thomas that predates any of the texts in the Vatican) and there was a huge fight and what is now the Holy Roman Catholic Church won. Any dissidents were branded heretics and slaughtered. I think the only 'valid' text we have that isn't part of the paganization of Yeshua is the Gospel of Thomas. Even Shaul )Paul you mentioned) never once spoke of a virgin birth, or miracles, or any of the 'stories' used in the gospels. And most scholars agree that the Gospel of Thomas is Source Q for the other books, not only it's age but the COMPLETE verses are in the Gospel of Thomas.

 

[CrackerJax]

Ommmmmmmmmmm.... I am the Alpha and the Omega, pass the salt please...

Yes, the Bible is an extremely difficult "book" to read. I believe this was done intentionally to maintain control. My sister goes to Bible Study every week for the last 8 years or so. So, I asked her, how many times have you read it through complete? Zero, she replies. And what does that tell you I asked. She's a good sport.

I am an AVID reader and have always been. I have never had to read any book more than twice to know it. I have read the Bible through (although I haven't told my own sister this ) once. I will not read it twice I'm afraid, although there are some ripping good yarns in there. I will read parts now and again, but for the fantastic content, not the inner meaning of life.


Puff .. Gospel of Thomas. Thomas who?



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[puffdamagikdragon]

Jax, gotta run, here is the link....
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html

Be back.


My turn. Out.

 

[barrgemike]

I am of the path that you are thrown back into the gilgumic cycle (to use a kabbalistic term) until you aquire gnosis (to use a gnostic term).

Basically, you are reborn over and over until you discover you are not of this world, you discover the connection to God within you, you aquire gnosis and you break from the gilgumic cycle at the moment of physical death, and you see your life was never about your physical existance, this is only a classroom where we all graduate, sooner or later, but some are further along, and have glimpsed gnosis, and know that they are not thier bodies. When you discover this, you will realise you are not your body and when it dies it doesn't mean YOU die, cuz you are independant of the physical state now.

Did I get too deep?

Not at all i enjoyed that, i'd like to read some more on that, If you have any links

 

[pillarize]

Christ is the Spirit of God...and if the Spirit is in you...then God's understanding has enlightened our most inner spirit.

Thats just it...God opens our eyes to his understanding...so the bible is of no use without the Spirit.

His Spirit guides us through whats written...selve tries to reason within selve to understand.

The natural man can not receive the things that be of God.

 

[CrackerJax]

It's your adherence to the Bible as the catalyst of understanding which runs you afoul......



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[FluffyToke]

I feel like religion is just another way to divide us. any religion cool or uncool, is just a dividing stone, to segregate our thought. I guess I'm hinting at collective thought[?]

 

[CrackerJax]

So that would mean the bees and ants are way ahead of us....

I can buy that


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[FluffyToke]

sweet! I'm onto something!

 

[pillarize]

Religion is divided in knowledge...because its man made.

Christ is not divided against himselve.

The bible only speaks of Christ in which we seek...the bible is not Christ.

 

[CrackerJax]

Religion is divided in knowledge...because its man made.

Christ is not divided against himselve.

The bible only speaks of Christ in which we seek...the bible is not Christ.

You're entire perspective of the "Christ" eminates from a single source, the Bible. You are in a circular logic path sir.
Can you not recognize it? I sure can....



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[{ganjaman}420]

i believe in a God or a creater i dont think we evolved from fuckin monkeys i believe that God put weed on this earth for people to enjoy i guess u could call me a christian but i dont go to church i just believe that jesus was gods only son and that if i keep growin and blazin trees that one day i will be in heaven blazin them with god u dig