Wetting Agent for Peat Based Soiless Media?

[DoubleAtotheRON]

I’ve always used a “big squirt” of Dawn in my 35 gallon spray tank when spraying with Roundup, or seasonal pre emergent as a surfactant.

 

[PadawanWarrior]

This has been a problem we have faced, is that our peat based soil (C25), does have a lot of surface tension when dry, and the water/feed ends up finding the path of least resistance, and flows out the bottom via the sides mostly. I wonder if adding a drop of Joy liquid soap per 5 gallons would help with this? Doesn't seem to be as big of a problem once they are in 7 gallon pots, but when im making clones in 5 inch pots, they seem to be hard to penetrate the whole pot, and I can peek down the side of the pot after I have saturated it, and the sides are dry.

Yucca for the win.

 

[DoubleAtotheRON]

Yucca for the win.

Where do you get if from?

 

[DoubleAtotheRON]

Yucca for the win.

This stuff?

 

[PadawanWarrior]

Where do you get if from?

I got mine off Amazon, but they don't sell it anymore. Next time I need some I'll probably get the stuff from Build a Soil.

Therm X-70 Yucca Extract - Natural Plant Wetting Agent

Therm X-70 is a highly effective yucca-based wetting agent, enhancing water penetration for healthier plant growth. With its natural saponin content, it improves water distribution in the soil, aiding plants in dry conditions and acting as an efficient spreader for foliar applications.

buildasoil.com

 

[Herb & Suds]

I’ve always used a “big squirt” of Dawn in my 35 gallon spray tank when spraying with Roundup, or seasonal pre emergent as a surfactant.

It has been my experience any amount that doesn’t foam up is plenty
That dose sounds a bit aggressive to me
I doubt you need that much as my commercial application base is drops on acres
Not Dawn granted but taste similar

 

[CatHedral]

I’ve always used a “big squirt” of Dawn in my 35 gallon spray tank when spraying with Roundup, or seasonal pre emergent as a surfactant.

A “medium squirt” does better. How I know does not bear telling.

 

[Herb & Suds]

A “medium squirt” does better. How I know does not bear telling.

Yeesh

 

[m4s73r]

I got mine off Amazon, but they don't sell it anymore. Next time I need some I'll probably get the stuff from Build a Soil.

Therm X-70 Yucca Extract - Natural Plant Wetting Agent

Therm X-70 is a highly effective yucca-based wetting agent, enhancing water penetration for healthier plant growth. With its natural saponin content, it improves water distribution in the soil, aiding plants in dry conditions and acting as an efficient spreader for foliar applications.

buildasoil.com

Check out the Quiallaja Saponin Extract. Its steller.

So would a drop per 3 gallons be too much?

Not at all. just looking for enough to reduce water tension is all.

 

[CatHedral]

Yeesh

Hie thee from the big squirt, pilgrim!

 

[PadawanWarrior]

Check out the Quiallaja Saponin Extract. Its steller.

Not at all. just looking for enough to reduce water tension is all.

Where do you get it?

 

[m4s73r]

Where do you get it?

Buildasoil has it

 

[PadawanWarrior]

Buildasoil has it

Is it this stuff? This stuff seems expensive.

BuildASoil Quillaja Saponaria Extract Powder 60%

Unlock natural potency with BuildASoil's Quillaja Saponaria Extract Powder 60. Our latest batch offers enhanced solubility and quality, sourced directly from Chile's finest. Ideal for gardeners seeking eco-friendly solutions, it's the premium choice for effective plant care. Order now and...

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[DoubleAtotheRON]

Also... has anyone ran a crop with this, and had it lab tested (the weed)?.. cuz this kinda concerns me a bit in the product description as far as yeast, arsenic, lead, mercury, 3000 CFU's of yeast/mold. We've had growers pop hot for heavy metals, and you can't do shit with it after the State knows about it. Which the Labs do report fails to the State. You have to pay them to come pick it up if you fail the threshold.

Product description
Saponin, Quillaja Extract Powder, 100%, 25g For Research & Development Not for drug, human, animal, or food use Specifications: Appearance (Color) Yellow-beige to light brown Appearance (Form) Powder Moisture <8.0% Color (10% solution @ 520 nm) <1.5 pH (4% solution) 3.7 -5.5 Taste Bittersweet Saponin Content 16+% Arsenic (As) <2 ppm Cadmium (Cd) <1 ppm Lead (Pb) <2 ppm Mercury (Hg) <0.1 ppm Preservatives None Total Aerobic Plate Count <3,000 CFU/g Yeast <100 CFU/g Mold <100 CFU/g CAS: 8047-15-2 FORMULA: N/A

 

[Milky Weed]

This has been a problem we have faced, is that our peat based soil (C25), does have a lot of surface tension when dry, and the water/feed ends up finding the path of least resistance, and flows out the bottom via the sides mostly. I wonder if adding a drop of Joy liquid soap per 5 gallons would help with this? Doesn't seem to be as big of a problem once they are in 7 gallon pots, but when im making clones in 5 inch pots, they seem to be hard to penetrate the whole pot, and I can peek down the side of the pot after I have saturated it, and the sides are dry.

Seeing as your commercial I would look into a stronger possibly industrial surfactant that’s safe to use. I would be cautious throwing soap on a large grow. I use and like yucca, but looking for something i could use less of.

 

[DoubleAtotheRON]

Seeing as your commercial I would look into a stronger possibly industrial surfactant that’s safe to use. I would be cautious throwing soap on a large grow. I use and like yucca, but looking for something i could use less of.

So would you say this is safer to use?

 

[Milky Weed]

So would you say this is safer to use?

I would feel aloooot better using this tbh. The heavy metal assay looks good, dosent give specific numbers just the less thans, but if it’s horticultural grade I assume those numbers mean it’s near zero contaminants. that’s also total contams not what is bio-available to the plant.

May be good to grab for now to solve the issue at hand until you can look into other options because I know it’s abit more pricy.

 

[DoubleAtotheRON]

JASUS!.. ok, doing the math, a 50 gallon tank will need 750ml per tank. The 32oz bottle is about 946ml. .. and about $30 a bottle. I use anywhere from 50-85 gallons a day depending on the days needs. $900 a month... I'll have to find a cheaper solution.

 

[CatHedral]

JASUS!.. ok, doing the math, a 50 gallon tank will need 750ml per tank. The 32oz bottle is about 946ml. .. and about $30 a bottle. I use anywhere from 50-85 gallons a day depending on the days needs. $900 a month... I'll have to find a cheaper solution.

Ultra Dawn blue. Rescued fowl worldwide attest.

 

[OneMoreRip]

Water best wetting agent. When did wetting agent become a thing, never heard of it until this year (other than water)?