It's that whole subjective speculation thing, but it's dangerous for markets when businesses have so much of their value in the speculation category, as opposed to the performance category. When markets turn, these ones get hit hardest.
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That's....not a good thing. He's basically a republican moving to an anti Roe v. Wade state and he trolls people on twitter and his base creams their pants for it. Sound like anyone else we know? His product is cool, but he and his base are bad for the country.
doublejj
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i never said i would vote for him...but he rules the auto industry
doublejj
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Elon Musk has never tried to overthrow the government...and he has contributed more to saving our planet from the fossil fuel industry than the U.S. Government..
GrassBurner
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Rules the auto industry 
Tesla had a niche with electric cars. Every manufacturer in the world is building electric cars now, and they can actually handle production. Tesla might be worth more on paper, but they are a grain of sand in the car production world. In 2020 Tesla built 500k cars, GM alone built 6.8 million in that same time.
If anybody "rules" the auto industry, it's GM right now with the new Corvette. The car is a masterpiece of design and function. Starting at $60k, there isn't a better bang for your buck anywhere else in the world.
Elon is learning how the sausage is made when it comes to vehicle building and production. Getting investors and being worth billions is great, but you have to produce.
Tesla had a niche with electric cars. Every manufacturer in the world is building electric cars now, and they can actually handle production. Tesla might be worth more on paper, but they are a grain of sand in the car production world. In 2020 Tesla built 500k cars, GM alone built 6.8 million in that same time.If anybody "rules" the auto industry, it's GM right now with the new Corvette. The car is a masterpiece of design and function. Starting at $60k, there isn't a better bang for your buck anywhere else in the world.
Elon is learning how the sausage is made when it comes to vehicle building and production. Getting investors and being worth billions is great, but you have to produce.
doublejj
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fossil fuel is dead....good luck to GM but i don't see investors dumping billions into GM. They are a dinosaur 10 years behind Tesla. You don't have to believe me, ask investors. Auto industry investors have voted.....Tesla rulesRules the auto industry
If anybody "rules" the auto industry, it's GM right now with the new Corvette. The car is a masterpiece of design and function. Starting at $60k, there isn't a better bang for your buck anywhere else in the world.
Elon is learning how the sausage is made when it comes to vehicle building and production. Getting investors and being worth billions is great, but you have to produce.
He's an egomaniac trolling for attention on twitter, and I'd argue that he's a republican. Just google "elon must trolls" and if you like, enter the year of your choice, because he's been doing it for years. Go ahead and like the product, nothing wrong with that, but to like the man...is a bit trashy, imo.
GrassBurner
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Getting investors doesn't elevate you to the top of your industry 
Tesla produces a car that is middle of the pack in build quality. The only thing Tesla "rules" is the hype train. Have they met a production goal yet?
Tesla produces a car that is middle of the pack in build quality. The only thing Tesla "rules" is the hype train. Have they met a production goal yet?
GrassBurner
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You honestly think one of the biggest car manufacturers in the world is behind Tesla Ignorance is bliss I guess
Ignorance is bliss I guess
CatHedral
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I’d like to see where the metric ton of drywall is supposed to go. The value of a pickup is hauling large/heavy loads, often from distant merchants.
Wake me when an e-truck can haul a 5th wheel trailer all day into a headwind -and can do it again the next day after an ordinary charger, not some 25-kW executioner’s tool.
Fifth-wheel towing is a niche, so it would be totally fine to have a truck that can't tow a 5th-wheel, or even have an 8ft bed. The vast majority of people using trucks aren't actually hauling heavy loads, which is why a short-bed half-ton sells more than anything else (I'm guessing). I think Tesla could make the equivalent of a 90's Tacoma and it would do well, but they keep catering to the gluttonous crowd and that's stupid for a company that's supposed to be enviro-friendly, imo. No e-vehicle *right now* should be bigger than a camry and no truck should be bigger than a tacoma, or else you're just a company selling a product on an idea that doesn't really include the idea, like marketing for the health conscious and then selling whoppers. They're profiting off of people's desire to lie to themselves so they can feel good for doing something they're not doing.
smokinrav
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Shhhhh! No one making an electric truck wants to talk about towing!
CatHedral
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Conceded on pulling a big trailer.
I would want a full-sized standard cab truck with which I can go 300 miles to get the sheet goods (I live far from stuff) then bring’em home. Contractor truck idiom as opposed to lifestyle vehicle. Considering how many 8000-lb vehicles Americans buy, economy of operation means very little or nothing to very many consumers. I did well with a 3000-lb Mazda with a four-banger and a manual shift.
I imagine any of the big 3 could build a fairly light full-size 1500 hauler truck with a smallish Diesel motor that does the job on 40 mpg empty, 30 at max weight.
And it would not break every mirror it passes like the Musk Ox.
Meh, probably gonna say hang the truck and get an Aptera. Now there is what looks like a cool ride at 10 miles per kWh. At current prices, plywood should come delivered.
CatHedral
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The elephant in the room is the heavy commercial semi truck. That will need to be electric. Trucks and trains burn a lot of Diesel.
So the conversation does need to begin. How to make a practical semi tractor that’ll do 800 miles all day every day at full weight. The only solution I can find, and it sucks, is for the operator to swap out leased batteries more than once a day. This will require standardized engineering for every trucker’s power pack(s) so that “one model fits all” cheaply and within minutes. And no battery-chewing “fast charge” shenanigans.
Aptera's are so cool, especially for those of us that have a real hardon for that high mpg equivalent efficiency. They would work great for much of California, but I think Tesla would do well to build something the size of an early 2000's Civic.