Trump's Re-Instatement Today

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mooray

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That guy is the exception. I stand by less than 1% making money. Rob Roy ain't making no money being a nutjob on the internet, too many are happy to do that for free. They still get "paid" though, just in LTB (Liberal Tear Bucks), not anything usable.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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mooray said:
That guy is the exception. I stand by less than 1% making money. Rob Roy ain't making no money being a nutjob on the internet, too many are happy to do that for free. They still get "paid" though, just in LTB (Liberal Tear Bucks), not anything usable.
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So just ignore everything we have learned about trolls and troll farms spamming us with nonstop propaganda across every platform?

I disagree.
 
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mooray

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hanimmal said:
So just ignore everything we have learned about trolls and troll farms spamming us with nonstop propaganda across every platform?

I disagree.
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Not at all! I'm just commenting on what I think are the realistic paid percentages. If 75m voted for trump, how many would you say are supporters overall? Maybe 125m? How many of those spread political messages either in person or online? Maybe 100m? I say theres no way that even 1% of those are paid. The percentages are much less in other countries, most people don't focus on US politics.
 
CunningCanuk

CunningCanuk

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I’d bet a lot of money that RobRoy is not a paid troll, even though that is probably the only job he could keep.

I’d also bet he’s living in his mom’s basement and hasn’t made enough money to require paying income tax, even though he complains that taxation is slavery.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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mooray said:
Not at all! I'm just commenting on what I think are the realistic paid percentages.
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Ok, real percentages of posts, accounts, or actual people online spamming for Trump, or Trump real American supporters that may or may not post online much?

mooray said:
If 75m voted for trump, how many would you say are supporters overall? Maybe 125m?
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Not even close. Of the people who support Trump I would say 50m tops are hard core real life supporters of his. The rest are voting against 'them'.

mooray said:
How many of those spread political messages either in person or online?
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I would need to define what you mean by spread. Do you mean spamming bullshit like Rob? Or just maybe a share here and there? Because that is a big difference.

Also I would suggest thinking about the actual volume of posts/interactions/etc. Because a normal brainwashed person is being fed the propaganda nonstop, they may post some head nod posts here and there, but then retreat after they get their troll nut off.

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Maybe 100m? I say theres no way that even 1% of those are paid.
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Based on this, it seems like you mean the actual person's accounts right? I would focus more on the quantity of posts. Sock puppet accounts are free.

I would bet that just like it was found with propaganda being spread about the virus a very small number of people would be responsible for the vast majority of the disinformation.


mooray said:
The percentages are much less in other countries, most people don't focus on US politics.
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Unless they are being paid to.

Russian military trolls.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/bi-partisan-senate-report-calls-for-sweeping-effort-to-stop-russian-trolls-on-social-media-platforms.997908/post-16452747

There are Philippine trolls.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/ap-cyborgs-trolls-and-bots-a-guide-to-online-misinformation.1005699/post-16376655

China social media spam.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/bi-partisan-senate-report-calls-for-sweeping-effort-to-stop-russian-trolls-on-social-media-platforms.997908/post-16382889

Shit even the Taliban is in on the online propaganda.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/ap-cyborgs-trolls-and-bots-a-guide-to-online-misinformation.1005699/post-16486660

All over the world there are troll farms set up to make it look like the messages that dictators want out are being 'organically' spread.

And it is all being shown to be utter bullshit trolling.

CunningCanuk said:
I’d bet a lot of money that RobRoy is not a paid troll, even though that is probably the only job he could keep.

I’d also bet he’s living in his mom’s basement and hasn’t made enough money to require paying income tax, even though he complains that taxation is slavery.
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I think this might need to drill down on what you would consider a 'paid troll'.

Do you think that white nationalist money has never been paid to him to push their shit?

But depending on the odds that might be a bullshit bet worth taking.
 
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CatHedral

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hanimmal said:
Ok, real percentages of posts, accounts, or actual people online spamming for Trump, or Trump real American supporters that may or may not post online much?


Not even close. Of the people who support Trump I would say 50m tops are hard core real life supporters of his. The rest are voting against 'them'.


I would need to define what you mean by spread. Do you mean spamming bullshit like Rob? Or just maybe a share here and there? Because that is a big difference.

Also I would suggest thinking about the actual volume of posts/interactions/etc. Because a normal brainwashed person is being fed the propaganda nonstop, they may post some head nod posts here and there, but then retreat after they get their troll nut off.


Based on this, it seems like you mean the actual person's accounts right? I would focus more on the quantity of posts. Sock puppet accounts are free.

I would bet that just like it was found with propaganda being spread about the virus a very small number of people would be responsible for the vast majority of the disinformation.



Unless they are being paid to.

Russian military trolls.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/bi-partisan-senate-report-calls-for-sweeping-effort-to-stop-russian-trolls-on-social-media-platforms.997908/post-16452747

There are Philippine trolls.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/ap-cyborgs-trolls-and-bots-a-guide-to-online-misinformation.1005699/post-16376655

China social media spam.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/bi-partisan-senate-report-calls-for-sweeping-effort-to-stop-russian-trolls-on-social-media-platforms.997908/post-16382889

Shit even the Taliban is in on the online propaganda.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/ap-cyborgs-trolls-and-bots-a-guide-to-online-misinformation.1005699/post-16486660

All over the world there are troll farms set up to make it look like the messages that dictators want out are being 'organically' spread.

And it is all being shown to be utter bullshit trolling.


I think this might need to drill down on what you would consider a 'paid troll'.

Do you think that white nationalist money has never been paid to him to push their shit?

But depending on the odds that might be a bullshit bet worth taking.
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I was thinking along similar lines. Many have posted political content occasionally or casually. I imagine daily post count plus known disinformation content are trackable metrics. I’d be surprised if there were more than a million pro trolls worldwide.
 
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mooray

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hanimmal said:
Ok, real percentages of posts, accounts, or actual people online spamming for Trump, or Trump real American supporters that may or may not post online much?


Not even close. Of the people who support Trump I would say 50m tops are hard core real life supporters of his. The rest are voting against 'them'.


I would need to define what you mean by spread. Do you mean spamming bullshit like Rob? Or just maybe a share here and there? Because that is a big difference.

Also I would suggest thinking about the actual volume of posts/interactions/etc. Because a normal brainwashed person is being fed the propaganda nonstop, they may post some head nod posts here and there, but then retreat after they get their troll nut off.


Based on this, it seems like you mean the actual person's accounts right? I would focus more on the quantity of posts. Sock puppet accounts are free.

I would bet that just like it was found with propaganda being spread about the virus a very small number of people would be responsible for the vast majority of the disinformation.



Unless they are being paid to.

Russian military trolls.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/bi-partisan-senate-report-calls-for-sweeping-effort-to-stop-russian-trolls-on-social-media-platforms.997908/post-16452747

There are Philippine trolls.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/ap-cyborgs-trolls-and-bots-a-guide-to-online-misinformation.1005699/post-16376655

China social media spam.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/bi-partisan-senate-report-calls-for-sweeping-effort-to-stop-russian-trolls-on-social-media-platforms.997908/post-16382889

Shit even the Taliban is in on the online propaganda.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/ap-cyborgs-trolls-and-bots-a-guide-to-online-misinformation.1005699/post-16486660

All over the world there are troll farms set up to make it look like the messages that dictators want out are being 'organically' spread.

And it is all being shown to be utter bullshit trolling.


I think this might need to drill down on what you would consider a 'paid troll'.

Do you think that white nationalist money has never been paid to him to push their shit?

But depending on the odds that might be a bullshit bet worth taking.
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We were talking about people being paid. I can look at those links later, but do they talk about how many? Dont conflate my comments about low percentages being paid as the same as non-existence of the issue. I'm sure there are troll farms in a hundred counties. In some country with 100 million people, you think more than a million are being paid to spread trump stuff? Theres just no way. The scale becomes absurd.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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mooray said:
We were talking about people being paid. I can look at those links later, but to they talk about how many? Dont conflate my comments to about low percentages being paid as the same as non-existence of the issue. I'm sure there are troll farms in a hundred counties. In some country with 100 million people, you think more than a million are being paid to spread trump stuff? Theres just no way. The scale becomes absurd.
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'dont conflate'?

You are not actually answering the question that I asked to clarify what you are saying for me to conflate shit man.

Are you talking about posts/interactions, sock puppet accounts, or just people on the planet who support Trump and happen to have an account posting here and there?
 
CatHedral

CatHedral

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hanimmal said:
'dont conflate'?

You are not actually answering the question that I asked to clarify what you are saying for me to conflate shit man.

Are you talking about posts/interactions, sock puppet accounts, or just people on the planet who support Trump and happen to have an account posting here and there?
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I think you just got slammed for asking a good question.
 
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mooray

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Lol I'm talking about the same thing we've been talking about, people being paid. The unit of measure is the number of people.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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mooray said:
Lol I'm talking about the same thing we've been talking about, people being paid. The unit of measure is the number of people.
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Being paid to what post shit right?

So are you talking about just 'people being paid', I would say that is a bullshit metric.

Maybe better would be to think about what percentage of content online do you think that those people being paid manufacture.

How many people being paid when you have bots, cyborgs, and sock puppets really stops mattering when the majority of online content that people see is being supplied/edited by the people being paid to spam it.
 
CatHedral

CatHedral

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mooray said:
Lol I'm talking about the same thing we've been talking about, people being paid. The unit of measure is the number of people.
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The unit of measure is the people being paid to post disinformation divided by the people who post disinformation. Your imprecision indicts your conclusion.
 
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mooray

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hanimmal said:
No, the ones pushing this shit online are just mostly being paid.
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This is what I disagree with. "Most" would be what, the biggest slice of the pie, or 51% or better...? I think it's more like 1% or less that are actually being paid and I think the vast majority are regurgitating bozos that do it for free.

Okay fine it's a bs metric, go complain to the guy I quoted that brought it up.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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mooray said:
This is what I disagree with. "Most" would be what, the biggest slice of the pie, or 51% or better...? I think it's more like 1% or less that are actually being paid and I think the vast majority are regurgitating bozos that do it for free.

Okay fine it's a bs metric, go complain to the guy I quoted that brought it up.
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Sure I could see 1% posting the majority (over 51%) of the propaganda online. You are reading my 'most' as most 'people' who are and not most 'propaganda' .

I could even agree with the 1% is likely even be high under this constraint if we are talking worldwide actual individually counted people posting propaganda. But that number does not represent the number of accounts that post this shit, nor the actual percentage of the total interactions around this propaganda.
 
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