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Alabama military base orders troops to show vaccination proof amid increased COVID-19 cases
The base in Fort Rucker, Alabama, the headquarters for the Army’s aviation program, announced on Tuesday that it would be implementing the new rule in an effort to combat a rising number of COVID-19 cases in the state.

State Health Officer Scott Harris told The Associated Press in an interview that he was concerned about the rising number of COVID-19 cases and said that the delta variant was playing “a large role.”

“And it’s definitely because people are unvaccinated. It’s not the vaccinated people that are getting infected for the most part and if they do for the most part they aren’t the ones getting sick in the hospital,” Harris told the AP.

According to the state’s coronavirus data, Alabama has seen over 556,000 cases of COVID-19 and over 11,400, as of Wednesday evening, since the start of the pandemic.

Data from Johns Hopkins University notes that the percentage of those who are fully vaccinated in the state is 33.6 percent, making it among the states with the lowest percentage of fully vaccinated people in the U.S.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The Delta variant's message to anti-vaxxers: It's your funeral (yahoo.com)

The Delta variant's message to anti-vaxxers: It's your funeral

The Delta variant is here. It's now responsible for the majority of COVID-19 infections in the United States and is driving a rapid rise in cases, not only in red states like Arkansas but in true blue New York City.

But while the Delta variant is much more contagious than either the original strain or the Alpha variant that first appeared in Britain, and has shown greater ability to infect vaccinated individuals, all the vaccines approved for use in the United States have so far proven highly effective in preventing severe disease and death.

So it's understandably maddening that much of the American right has decided this is the time to double down on making opposition to vaccination a central front in our endless culture war.

It's maddening — but it is essential not to take the bait. The fact that vaccines have become a focal point at all should be the final proof that the culture war is a self-sustaining process largely untethered from substantive grievances. Republicans believe that on balance fighting helps them politically, and I suspect they are right. But it's not a war that either side can actually win by fighting, even though individual politicians and media stars can advance their own particular fortunes. For the country as a whole, the only way to win is not to play.

With respect to the vaccination campaign, then, that means ignoring the anti-vaccination campaigns, and focusing on actions that don't depend on convincing the skeptical.

One of the most important things the federal government could do to promote more uptake of the vaccines is for the FDA to grant them full approval. Not because this will convince the hard-core hesitant — it's just as plausible that they will see approval as evidence that political interference has rushed the process — but because it will change the legal landscape for mandatory vaccination. In particular, it would allow the military to order vaccination of all those serving in uniform, as they do with a host of other vaccines.

Mandating vaccination for all employees who work in health-care settings like hospitals or nursing homes is also an obvious move with potentially substantial public health benefits given the shockingly low uptake of vaccines in that sector and the need to protect vulnerable patients — including the immunosuppressed who cannot benefit adequately from vaccines. Such mandates could be imposed even without FDA approval, as demonstrated by the failure of a suit against Houston Methodist Hospital by staff who did not to comply with the hospital's mandate. Resistance evaporated and compliance soared right after the suit failed.

Businesses that are vulnerable to disruption due to COVID outbreaks also have reason to mandate vaccination, and the government makes it clear that they are free to do so. Broadway shows are already mandating universal vaccination of cast and crew; movie sets can be expected to follow. From auto assembly lines to public schools to meatpacking plants, managers should see the risk a COVID outbreak would pose to their ability to operate effectively, and act accordingly — particularly if insurers start charging higher rates or declining to provide certain kinds of coverage to operations that do not have a mandate in place.

None of this requires hectoring, or even persuasion — which is good, because those strategies are proving ineffective. On that score, I think the powers that be should take a good look in the mirror and recognize that their ability to persuade is distinctly limited. While they deserve some of the blame for their impotence — as right-wing critics never tire of litanizing — distrust of authority is also part of human nature, and especially American nature. That's something we have to live with, not rail against.

So I think it behooves those same authorities to start taking a different tack in their public statements, less imploring and more matter-of-fact. The vaccines are safe, and are life-saving, and so in areas where the government has direct authority and a mission that depends on health, they are going to mandate vaccination. Furthermore, where there remain barriers to access, they're going to remove or go around them, so that nobody gets sick for lack of a vaccine they were willing to take. I think the Biden administration proposal to go door to door offering vaccines for free to anyone who wants them is a great idea, and long overdue.

But if particular states and localities want to reject that help, they should be free to do so — and Biden should say it. The very existence of the vaccines in sufficient quantities to give everyone a shot who wants one changes the moral calculus, and makes it less and less reasonable to claim that too many innocents are at risk to allow other people the freedom to be foolish.

So if Tennessee wants to abandon vaccination outreach to minors for fear that some parents will be upset, that's their prerogative — or it's a problem for the citizens of Tennessee to solve by replacing their government. That's what it means to be a democracy. Public health is a matter of public responsibility, but particular communities and certainly private citizens remain free to take their lives in their own hands. Indeed, that freedom not to get vaccinated is perfectly parallel to the business-owner's freedom to mandate its employees get vaccinated: Each is making the decision that reflects their own assessment of their interests and values.

We don't have to respect the decisions others make, but we have to respect their right to make them. That's why when someone does something we think is egregiously stupid, we say: It's your funeral.
 

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COVID Antibodies From Vaccination Are Nearly 3 Times Higher Than From Infection
People who've been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 have a much stronger immune system response against the new coronavirus than those who've previously been infected, according to a new study.

"Vaccinated individuals had the highest antibody levels, nearly three times higher than that of convalescent individuals recovering from symptomatic COVID-19," an Israeli team reported.

What's more, while 99.4% of vaccinated people tested positive for COVID-fighting antibodies in blood samples just six days after their second dose of vaccine, the number of these "seropositive" people fell to just under 76% for people recovering from a COVID-19 infection

These findings might encourage people who believe they're already well-protected because of a prior encounter with SARS-CoV-2 to go ahead and get vaccinated, one expert said.

"This is an encouraging study that further confirms that vaccination against COVID-19 provides a stronger immune response than recovering from infection," said COVID-19 expert Dr. Eric Cioe-Peña, who directs Global Health at Northwell Health, in New Hyde Park, N.Y. He wasn't involved in the new research.

The study also found that men and women have different antibody levels after either vaccination or infection.

"It's well-known that there are differences in immune response that vary with sex," noted virologist Dr. Amesh Adalja, who wasn't involved in the research.

"This is likely the result of differential proportions of hormones like estrogen and testosterone," said Adalja, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, in Baltimore.

The new research was led by Noam Shomron, head of the Computational Genomics Laboratory at Tel Aviv University, and Dr. Adina Bar Chaim, from the Shamir Medical Center in Tel Aviv. Their team assessed COVID-19 antibody levels in more than 26,000 blood samples from vaccinated and unvaccinated people, along with people who'd recovered from their COVID-19 infections.

The researchers also found age-related differences between convalescent or vaccinated men and women.

Among those older than 51, antibody levels were found to be higher in women than in men. This may be related to the change in levels of the female hormone estrogen, which occur around this age and affect the immune system, the study authors said.

In men, a rise in antibody levels was seen starting around 35, possibly associated with changes in levels of the male sex hormone testosterone and its effect on the immune system.

Overall, young adults had a higher level of antibodies that lasted longer compared to older vaccinated adults, the study found, and a decrease at a level of tens of percent occurred over time between younger and very old adults.

In young adults, a high concentration of antibodies is usually due to a strong immune response, while in older people it usually indicates overreaction of the immune system associated with severe illness, the researchers explained.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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After teen daughter hospitalized with Covid, mom regrets saying no to vaccine (nbcnews.com)

After teen daughter hospitalized with Covid, mom regrets saying no to vaccine
"It's heartbreaking. I wish I would've made better choices for her," said an Arkansas mother of her 13-year-old daughter, hospitalized with Covid-19.

Angela Morris said she resisted Covid-19 vaccinations for herself and her 13-year-old daughter believing that other preventative measures, like mostly staying home and wearing masks, would be enough to ward off infection.

But on July 1, Morris wrote on Facebook that her daughter, Caia Morris Cooper, had tested positive for Covid. Two days later, she updated her friends that her daughter had been admitted to Arkansas Children's Hospital in Little Rock and was on a ventilator.

"I am so scared right now and I feel so helpless," she posted.

Nearly two weeks later, Caia remained in the hospital, Morris said Friday, and was again intubated after being taken off a ventilator Thursday night.

Her daughter's spiraling condition and the powerlessness that Morris says she feels is echoed in similar situations across Arkansas, where Covid cases are surging, and the country, where young people are still being diagnosed with the coronavirus and requiring hospitalization, even when they're old enough to get vaccinated.

Vaccination rates for children ages 12 to 17 have lagged in the South, including in Arkansas, according to an NBC News analysis, and public health officials say the inability to get more children vaccinated highlights lingering vaccine hesitancy among families at a time when highly transmissible variants are making inroads.

"It's very hard not knowing if she's really going to come home anymore or not," Morris told a CBS affiliate in Little Rock from her daughter's hospital room. "It's heartbreaking. I wish I would've made better choices for her."

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Morris could not immediately be reached for comment Friday.

Arkansas Children's Hospital told NBC News that it currently has 10 patients who tested positive for Covid at its Little Rock facility and two required ventilators to help with their breathing.

So far this month, all the children who had tested positive for Covid and have since been discharged were unvaccinated, although some were eligible to be inoculated, said Marcy Doderer, president and CEO of the Arkansas Children's Hospital.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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It looks like the Pfizer mRNA vaccine might be coming out of EUS in September. I expect the vaccination situation in America to change dramatically after that happens with health insurance companies, schools and employers mandating vaccination. When employers mandate vaccination there is often a 99% compliance rate, and employers provide much of the healthcare in America.
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FDA grants priority review to Pfizer/BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine; decision on approval expected by January 2022 - CNN


FDA grants priority review to Pfizer/BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine; agency official says approval decision expected within two months

(CNN)Pfizer and BioNTech said Friday that the US Food and Drug Administration has granted priority review designation to their application for full approval of their Covid-19 vaccine, and an FDA official said the decision will come "soon".

The FDA official told CNN on Friday that a decision on full approval is likely to come within two months. The agency considers this matter a priority, said the official, who asked not to be named because they were not authorized to speak publicly on the matter.

Pfizer and BioNTech began the application for full approval of their Covid-19 vaccine -- called a Biologics License Application -- in May, and have completed the submission. The companies are seeking approval for the two-dose series for people age 16 and older, and expects to apply for approval for people ages 12 to 15 when the data are available. Moderna has also begun submitting data for approval of its two-dose coronavirus vaccine, and Johnson & Johnson is expected to seek FDA approval.

While the FDA must make its decision by January, it's likely to come much sooner, acting FDA commissioner Dr. Janet Woodcock said. "...the review of this BLA has been ongoing, is among the highest priorities of the agency, and the agency intends to complete the review far in advance of the ... Goal Date," Woodcock tweeted.

All three vaccines currently have emergency use authorization from the FDA.

In a letter to the New York Times this month, Dr. Peter Marks, director of FDA's Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, wrote that the review of applications for full approval of the Covid-19 vaccines is "one of the highest priorities" at the FDA, but it requires the evaluation of extensive manufacturing and clinical information.

"Any vaccine approval without completion of the high-quality review and evaluation that Americans expect the agency to perform would undermine the F.D.A.'s statutory responsibilities, affect public trust in the agency and do little to help combat vaccine hesitancy," Marks wrote.

He noted that all three Covid-19 vaccines available in the United States have met the standard for emergency use authorization; Pfizer's vaccine is authorized for use in people as young as 12.

"If we truly want our lives to return to normal, the fastest way to do so is simple — get vaccinated right now," Marks wrote.
Vaccine makers originally applied for emergency use authorization because the process takes less time than what would be required for full approval, but the safety and efficacy of the shots was tested in large trials and has since been confirmed by millions of doses administered since the vaccine rollout began late last year.

However, full approval could have an impact on vaccine mandates -- several schools and business have suggested they would consider mandating Covid-19 vaccines once they are approved. It may also help sway skeptics hesitant to get the vaccines now.

A Kaiser Family Foundation survey of US adults released this week found that among the one-third of adults surveyed who are not yet vaccinated, 16% said the vaccine was too new, too unknown or not tested enough.

US Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy said Friday that approval may encourage some to get vaccinated, but the vaccines have already been administered to millions around the world.

According to data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, more than 160 million people -- 48.3% of the US population -- are fully vaccinated against Covid-19.

"For some people the FDA approval process may make a difference, but I do think that we have a fair amount of experience right now, a tremendous amount of experience, that tells us that, again, the benefits of this vaccine far outweigh any risks," Murthy said during a Washington Post event.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/03/health/pfizer-covid-vaccine-teens-fda/index.html
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Let's see, most of DeSantis and Trump supporters are unvaccinated and eschew masks in the middle of a delta wave. They look like road kill to me and there are gonna be a lot of miserable, some hospitalized and a few dead republicans in Florida soon. Between the republican party and foxnews, they sure are hard on their supporters and fans, bullshitting them for their votes I can understand, but bullshitting your own voters and fans to sicken and kill them is something new. But for some I suppose triggering the libs is more important than anything. Some red states are starting to stick out like a sore thumb though and looking stupider by the day.
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White House: Florida accounts for 20 percent of all new COVID-19 infections

Nearly 20 percent of the nation's new coronavirus infections are now happening in Florida alone, according to a White House official.

Cases are rising across the nation as a whole as the more transmissible delta variant spreads but are concentrated in areas with low vaccination rates.

"Just four states accounted for more than 40 percent of all cases in the past week, with 1 in 5 of all cases occurring in Florida alone," White House COVID-19 coordinator Jeff Zients told reporters during a briefing Friday.

"We will likely ... continue to experience an increase in COVID cases in the weeks ahead, with these cases concentrated in communities with lower vaccination rates," Zients said

Florida is seeing some of the highest coronavirus hospitalizations, new infections and deaths per capita in the country. The numbers bottomed out as vaccinations became available but recently have been climbing.

Currently, the state is reporting an average of 29 new infections for every 100,000 people per day — more than four times the national average.

The positivity rate is hovering around 10 percent, and according to federal data, the seven-day moving average is more than 5,600 cases a day.

About 55 percent of eligible people in Florida have received at least a single dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, putting it around the middle of all states and the District of Columbia.
 

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After teen daughter hospitalized with Covid, mom regrets saying no to vaccine (nbcnews.com)

After teen daughter hospitalized with Covid, mom regrets saying no to vaccine
"It's heartbreaking. I wish I would've made better choices for her," said an Arkansas mother of her 13-year-old daughter, hospitalized with Covid-19.

Angela Morris said she resisted Covid-19 vaccinations for herself and her 13-year-old daughter believing that other preventative measures, like mostly staying home and wearing masks, would be enough to ward off infection.

But on July 1, Morris wrote on Facebook that her daughter, Caia Morris Cooper, had tested positive for Covid. Two days later, she updated her friends that her daughter had been admitted to Arkansas Children's Hospital in Little Rock and was on a ventilator.

"I am so scared right now and I feel so helpless," she posted.

Nearly two weeks later, Caia remained in the hospital, Morris said Friday, and was again intubated after being taken off a ventilator Thursday night.

Her daughter's spiraling condition and the powerlessness that Morris says she feels is echoed in similar situations across Arkansas, where Covid cases are surging, and the country, where young people are still being diagnosed with the coronavirus and requiring hospitalization, even when they're old enough to get vaccinated.

Vaccination rates for children ages 12 to 17 have lagged in the South, including in Arkansas, according to an NBC News analysis, and public health officials say the inability to get more children vaccinated highlights lingering vaccine hesitancy among families at a time when highly transmissible variants are making inroads.

"It's very hard not knowing if she's really going to come home anymore or not," Morris told a CBS affiliate in Little Rock from her daughter's hospital room. "It's heartbreaking. I wish I would've made better choices for her."

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Morris could not immediately be reached for comment Friday.

Arkansas Children's Hospital told NBC News that it currently has 10 patients who tested positive for Covid at its Little Rock facility and two required ventilators to help with their breathing.

So far this month, all the children who had tested positive for Covid and have since been discharged were unvaccinated, although some were eligible to be inoculated, said Marcy Doderer, president and CEO of the Arkansas Children's Hospital.
"I wish I made better choices for her"... Maybe her diet would have been a good start.
 

captainmorgan

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Reading stories by nurses and doctors out of Missouri about the deplorables is disturbing. Like spitting in the face of the doctor or nurse that tells them they have covid. The hospitals are filling up and doctors are saying the patients are sicker than previous waves, the big difference is the sickest patients before were elderly or in bad health to start, this time the sickest are healthy people in their 30's and 40's. Medical staff are starting to refuse to work covid wards and or work extra shifts, who can blame them. These people are cult members and most won't change, they were miserable in life and death.
 

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Reading stories by nurses and doctors out of Missouri about the deplorables is disturbing. Like spitting in the face of the doctor or nurse that tells them they have covid. The hospitals are filling up and doctors are saying the patients are sicker than previous waves, the big difference is the sickest patients before were elderly or in bad health to start, this time the sickest are healthy people in their 30's and 40's. Medical staff are starting to refuse to work covid wards and or work extra shifts, who can blame them. These people are cult members and most won't change, they were miserable in life and death.
Maybe set up a tent outside for them and the red hats can take care of them?
 
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