Will You Take The Vaccine?
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DIY-HP-LED
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Wear a mask, this ain't over and many have yet to receive a second dose of vaccine or even a first, kids uder 12 will remain unvaccinated for awhile.
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A leading US disease expert says there's 'no doubt in my mind' that vaccinated people are helping spread Delta (yahoo.com)
A leading US disease expert says there's 'no doubt in my mind' that vaccinated people are helping spread Delta
Strangers are standing shoulder to shoulder in bars, fans are singing along at packed indoor concerts, and travelers are flying in numbers not seen since before lockdowns began in 2020.
"While the virus hasn't been vanquished, we know this: It no longer controls our lives," President Joe Biden said on Sunday, as hospitalizations, cases, and deaths trended down. "America is coming back together," he added.
But a quiet new wave of severe COVID-19 infections is brewing, fueled by the more transmissible Delta coronavirus variant.
"We actually have states where hospitalizations are going up more than cases," Christopher Murray, the director of the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, told Insider, stressing that data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may mask the virus' true spread.
As the CDC's guidance is not to test vaccinated people unless they're symptomatic, "we're probably missing a bunch of transmission in vaccinated individuals," Murray said.
Delta is spreading quickly in the US
Drilling into state-level data reveals how quickly Delta has spread.
"We have 14 states where transmission has started to go back up," said Murray, who's also the lead modeler at the IHME, which the White House has leaned on for disease projections throughout the pandemic.
That's "due to the Delta variant and the fact that everybody's stopped wearing a mask and just basically stopped most precautions," he added.
Disease modelers at Scripps have estimated that Delta could be responsible for about 60% of COVID-19 cases across the US.
Drilling into state-level data reveals how quickly Delta has spread.
"We have 14 states where transmission has started to go back up," said Murray, who's also the lead modeler at the IHME, which the White House has leaned on for disease projections throughout the pandemic.
That's "due to the Delta variant and the fact that everybody's stopped wearing a mask and just basically stopped most precautions," he added.
Disease modelers at Scripps have estimated that Delta could be responsible for about 60% of COVID-19 cases across the US.
Vaccines prevent serious illness
COVID-19 vaccines don't prevent every infection - they are designed to better defend your body against the virus. The vaccines authorized in the US do that very well, even against Delta.
Some vaccinated people get a mild, cold-like illness, with a headache and a runny nose. Others could get infected but never know it, becoming silent spreaders.
Delta has wreaked far greater havoc among the unvaccinated. Hospitalizations are trending up in several states, including Missouri, Arkansas, Utah, and Mississippi, according to IHME data. Those are some of the same places where vaccination rates are lagging.
How Delta can move through a semivaccinated population
Tim Spector, an epidemiologist at King's College London, previously told Insider that while there's no evidence that Delta is deadlier, it is more infectious, and "because of that extra stickiness, it's going to still keep breaking through the vaccine group."
More than half of Scotland is fully vaccinated, and 71% of Scots have received at least one dose of a vaccine. But the country is suffering its worst wave of infections.
"You cannot explain the explosive epidemic in Scotland, in a pretty highly vaccinated population, if they're not playing a role in transmission," Murray said of vaccinated people.
However, Will Lee, the vice president of science at Helix, a testing company helping the CDC track variants, said areas with higher vaccination rates tend to have fewer cases.
Lee pointed to studies indicating that Delta cases are milder in vaccinated people and, therefore, people are not infectious for as long. It stands to reason, he said, that vaccinated people would not transmit as much.
"That window of transmission probably goes down," he said.
Delta versus our vaccines
A recent real-world study from the UK suggested that Pfizer's vaccine was about 88% effective in preventing symptomatic COVID-19 with Delta, markedly lower than the 95% efficacy against earlier-detected strains.
Vaccines from Moderna and Johnson & Johnson, too, may be less effective at preventing symptomatic infections with Delta, early lab studies by those companies have suggested.
What's clear is that all three US-authorized vaccines maintain strong protection against severe disease and death, even with the Delta variant.
While natural immunity may help (federal estimates suggest that more than one-third of Americans have had COVID-19), Russia is an example of how prior infections can't halt Delta's spread.
Masks work
Murray says COVID-19 outbreaks are being investigated in US groups "that are 90%-plus vaccinated."
"That could only be occurring if they're transmitting amongst each other," he said. "There's no doubt in my mind."
That's one reason many infectious-disease experts still wear face masks indoors.
"In our models, we see that even modest mask use combined with vaccination can really put the brakes on even the Delta variant," Murray said.
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A leading US disease expert says there's 'no doubt in my mind' that vaccinated people are helping spread Delta (yahoo.com)
A leading US disease expert says there's 'no doubt in my mind' that vaccinated people are helping spread Delta
- Vaccinated people are well protected from severe illness and death even as the Delta variant surges.
- But it's possible for fully vaccinated people to be asymptomatic and spread COVID-19 to others.
- A top disease modeler who advises the White House said vaccinated people should still wear masks.
Strangers are standing shoulder to shoulder in bars, fans are singing along at packed indoor concerts, and travelers are flying in numbers not seen since before lockdowns began in 2020.
"While the virus hasn't been vanquished, we know this: It no longer controls our lives," President Joe Biden said on Sunday, as hospitalizations, cases, and deaths trended down. "America is coming back together," he added.
But a quiet new wave of severe COVID-19 infections is brewing, fueled by the more transmissible Delta coronavirus variant.
"We actually have states where hospitalizations are going up more than cases," Christopher Murray, the director of the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, told Insider, stressing that data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may mask the virus' true spread.
As the CDC's guidance is not to test vaccinated people unless they're symptomatic, "we're probably missing a bunch of transmission in vaccinated individuals," Murray said.
Delta is spreading quickly in the US
Drilling into state-level data reveals how quickly Delta has spread.
"We have 14 states where transmission has started to go back up," said Murray, who's also the lead modeler at the IHME, which the White House has leaned on for disease projections throughout the pandemic.
That's "due to the Delta variant and the fact that everybody's stopped wearing a mask and just basically stopped most precautions," he added.
Disease modelers at Scripps have estimated that Delta could be responsible for about 60% of COVID-19 cases across the US.
Drilling into state-level data reveals how quickly Delta has spread.
"We have 14 states where transmission has started to go back up," said Murray, who's also the lead modeler at the IHME, which the White House has leaned on for disease projections throughout the pandemic.
That's "due to the Delta variant and the fact that everybody's stopped wearing a mask and just basically stopped most precautions," he added.
Disease modelers at Scripps have estimated that Delta could be responsible for about 60% of COVID-19 cases across the US.
Vaccines prevent serious illness
COVID-19 vaccines don't prevent every infection - they are designed to better defend your body against the virus. The vaccines authorized in the US do that very well, even against Delta.
Some vaccinated people get a mild, cold-like illness, with a headache and a runny nose. Others could get infected but never know it, becoming silent spreaders.
Delta has wreaked far greater havoc among the unvaccinated. Hospitalizations are trending up in several states, including Missouri, Arkansas, Utah, and Mississippi, according to IHME data. Those are some of the same places where vaccination rates are lagging.
How Delta can move through a semivaccinated population
Tim Spector, an epidemiologist at King's College London, previously told Insider that while there's no evidence that Delta is deadlier, it is more infectious, and "because of that extra stickiness, it's going to still keep breaking through the vaccine group."
More than half of Scotland is fully vaccinated, and 71% of Scots have received at least one dose of a vaccine. But the country is suffering its worst wave of infections.
"You cannot explain the explosive epidemic in Scotland, in a pretty highly vaccinated population, if they're not playing a role in transmission," Murray said of vaccinated people.
However, Will Lee, the vice president of science at Helix, a testing company helping the CDC track variants, said areas with higher vaccination rates tend to have fewer cases.
Lee pointed to studies indicating that Delta cases are milder in vaccinated people and, therefore, people are not infectious for as long. It stands to reason, he said, that vaccinated people would not transmit as much.
"That window of transmission probably goes down," he said.
Delta versus our vaccines
A recent real-world study from the UK suggested that Pfizer's vaccine was about 88% effective in preventing symptomatic COVID-19 with Delta, markedly lower than the 95% efficacy against earlier-detected strains.
Vaccines from Moderna and Johnson & Johnson, too, may be less effective at preventing symptomatic infections with Delta, early lab studies by those companies have suggested.
What's clear is that all three US-authorized vaccines maintain strong protection against severe disease and death, even with the Delta variant.
While natural immunity may help (federal estimates suggest that more than one-third of Americans have had COVID-19), Russia is an example of how prior infections can't halt Delta's spread.
Masks work
Murray says COVID-19 outbreaks are being investigated in US groups "that are 90%-plus vaccinated."
"That could only be occurring if they're transmitting amongst each other," he said. "There's no doubt in my mind."
That's one reason many infectious-disease experts still wear face masks indoors.
"In our models, we see that even modest mask use combined with vaccination can really put the brakes on even the Delta variant," Murray said.
DIY-HP-LED
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Estimated Disease Burden of COVID-19 | CDC
These estimates suggest that during that period, there were approximately:
114.6 Million
Estimated Total Infections
97.1 Million
Estimated Symptomatic Illnesses
5.6 Million
Estimated Hospitalizations
If about a third of those who recover from covid are fucked for life or fucked for awhile, that's over 30 million people. I wonder if post covid disability is a contributing factor to the current employee shortage?
These estimates suggest that during that period, there were approximately:
114.6 Million
Estimated Total Infections
97.1 Million
Estimated Symptomatic Illnesses
5.6 Million
Estimated Hospitalizations
If about a third of those who recover from covid are fucked for life or fucked for awhile, that's over 30 million people. I wonder if post covid disability is a contributing factor to the current employee shortage?
potroastV2
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That's right, Einstein, I paid $300 for 2 tickets to see some bands that I don't like.
Actually, I LOVE Weezer and Green Day.
Also, I already think that you're a pea-brain, so there is no reason to continue to prove it.
PJ Diaz
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Whatever floats your boat. Seems like a lot of money for those bands to me, but I don't pay for concerts. I get put on the guest list or get walked in. Last concert I paid for was over 5 years ago.That's right, Einstein, I paid $300 for 2 tickets to see some bands that I don't like.
Actually, I LOVE Weezer and Green Day.
rkymtnman
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you're not sweet, sweet Connie by chance???
PJ Diaz
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I have no idea what that means, but anyone who's worked in the industry for over 20 years is likely in the same situation that I am in, where we have a lot of of connections & the guest list is just a phone call away. When I got married 15 years ago we went to Maui for our honeymoon, and found out that one of our favorite reggae bands, steel pulse, was playing that same week. I made a couple of phone calls from Maui and was on the guest list that night plus VIP tickets for the after party. I'm not a big fan of after parties so we gave those tickets away to some locals who were stoked.
UncleBuck
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You must give exceptional head
Kentucky state Senator Tom Buford dies
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rkymtnman
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there's this amazing thing called Google now. it's kinda new though...
rkymtnman
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i do love steel pulse too.
potroastV2
Well-Known Member
That's fine for you. You can go in, but first you must produce recent negative test results, and then wear your mask while in there.
All of the mask-less people will be pointing at you and laughing.
But I imagine that you are accustomed to that.
rkymtnman
Well-Known Member
thank you! this guy is in the music biz (allegedly) and he's never heard that song??? gtfo
PJ Diaz
Well-Known Member
That's only true for Mega events (over 5000 indoors), and I don't really have any interest in that anyway. But on the real, they don't check vax records at the back door where I would walk in.That's fine for you. You can go in, but first you must produce recent negative test results, and then wear your mask while in there.
All of the mask-less people will be pointing at you and laughing.
But I imagine that you are accustomed to that.
PJ Diaz
Well-Known Member
Yeah, I google things of importance. Sorry I don't have the lyrics to "American band" memorized.
Yep, I've worked over 5000 shows at this point. Everything from. rock concerts to symphonies, ballet and other dance, theater productions, corporate events, you name it. I haven't worked TED since it was held in Monterey, but sounds like it's coming back soon. Last TED I worked was the one that Al Gore spoke at. Got him to sign my copy of the "Inconvenient Truth" DVD. That same TED, Robin Williams happened to be in the audience and did an impromptu comedy routine over the actual presenter. I felt bad for the presenter being upstaged, but Robin was funny as hell.
Reggae is my fav. I have a personalized autographed copy of a Jimmy Cliff album on my office wall. I sold weed to Eek-A-Mouse once when he walked off the street to my office, but that was before he got in trouble with the law. One of my most favorite concert worked back in the day when I was a lighting tech was Burning Spear. Ky-Mani Marley was the worst behaved band I've ever worked with though, a bunch of douchebags.
PJ Diaz
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DIY-HP-LED
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Chalk one up for Joe, saving American lives is a presidents job, he could have saved more, if not for that shithead Trump, his lies and malicious dereliction of duty, not to mention Foxnews and antivaxxer disinformation.
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New study estimates America's rapid COVID-19 vaccine rollout saved nearly 300,000 lives (yahoo.com)
New study estimates America's rapid COVID-19 vaccine rollout saved nearly 300,000 lives
Without readily available access to multiple FDA-approved coronavirus vaccines in late 2020 and 2021, deaths from COVID-19 would have jumped to 4,500 each day during a second "2021 spring surge" spurred on by the Alpha variant that originated in the UK, the study from the Yale School of Public Health and the Commonwealth Fund found.
Instead, vaccinations in the US saved approximately 279,000 lives and prevented up to 1.25 million additional hospitalizations, according to researchers, who studied the impact of vaccination in the country from Dec. 12, 2020, through July 1, 2021.
As of July 7, 157.9 million people in the US were fully vaccinated and another 182.8 had received at least one dose of the Pfizer or Moderna shot, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data.
Fifty-five percent of the US is fully vaccinated, according to The New York Times vaccination tracker, making it the 17th most vaccinated country globally. But the study notes that millions of Americans remain unvaccinated - a cause for worry as the highly infectious Delta variant takes hold in several states.
In Israel, which saw one of the quickest vaccine rollouts in the world, officials have reinstated some early COVID-19 restrictions like mask-wearing and travel rules, as a result of the Delta variant's spread.
Experts worry the contagious variant is being spread asymptomatically by those who are vaccinated, which could pose significant problems of "long-COVID" among young people.
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New study estimates America's rapid COVID-19 vaccine rollout saved nearly 300,000 lives (yahoo.com)
New study estimates America's rapid COVID-19 vaccine rollout saved nearly 300,000 lives
- The US's rapid vaccine rollout helped prevent a spring surge of 4,500 daily COVID-19 deaths, a new study found.
- Nearly 300,000 lives were saved and 1.25 million hospitalizations prevented by America's vaccine program.
- Researchers said a "renewed commitment to expanding vaccine access" is necessary to stomp out the virus.
Without readily available access to multiple FDA-approved coronavirus vaccines in late 2020 and 2021, deaths from COVID-19 would have jumped to 4,500 each day during a second "2021 spring surge" spurred on by the Alpha variant that originated in the UK, the study from the Yale School of Public Health and the Commonwealth Fund found.
Instead, vaccinations in the US saved approximately 279,000 lives and prevented up to 1.25 million additional hospitalizations, according to researchers, who studied the impact of vaccination in the country from Dec. 12, 2020, through July 1, 2021.
As of July 7, 157.9 million people in the US were fully vaccinated and another 182.8 had received at least one dose of the Pfizer or Moderna shot, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data.
Fifty-five percent of the US is fully vaccinated, according to The New York Times vaccination tracker, making it the 17th most vaccinated country globally. But the study notes that millions of Americans remain unvaccinated - a cause for worry as the highly infectious Delta variant takes hold in several states.
In Israel, which saw one of the quickest vaccine rollouts in the world, officials have reinstated some early COVID-19 restrictions like mask-wearing and travel rules, as a result of the Delta variant's spread.
Experts worry the contagious variant is being spread asymptomatically by those who are vaccinated, which could pose significant problems of "long-COVID" among young people.
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DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
A preview of this summers concerts in America with the delta variant, forged documents, no masks and the unvaccinated.
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800 people claimed they were 'COVID-free' or vaccinated for a dance party in the Netherlands. Now 180 people have tested positive. (yahoo.com)
800 people claimed they were 'COVID-free' or vaccinated for a dance party in the Netherlands. Now 180 people have tested positive.
The reopening party of Aspen Valley bar in Enschede, in the eastern Netherlands, on June 26 required a "corona admission ticket," which were presold once partygoers had confirmed their status as either vaccinated or uninfected.
Social distancing and mask-wearing was not required at the party, the local newspaper Tubantia reported.
The event has exposed potential flaws in Dutch measures for reopening nightlife safely, and highlights the difficulty and risks that come with reopening events around the world.
The Dutch bar was working under a scheme known as "test for entry," according to the Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant. Under that scheme, a QR code is sent to people who have a negative test, which is then scanned by the venue.
"Prepare carefully and read through all the rules carefully to avoid disappointment," a Facebook flier for the event read. "This is how we help each other to finally make it a great party again!"
An unnamed local official speaking to Dutch TV network RTL Nieuws acknowledged rumors that "the club concerned has not adhered to all the measures," without specifying what they were.
The official also noted that the partygoers could have shared QR codes showing a negative test between themselves.
Authorities have recorded 180 positive tests since the event, which nearly 800 people attended, the local TV station RTV Oost reported.
Aspen Valley did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment, but the bar's owner, Tommy de Groot, told RTV Oost: "We really did everything we could to arrange everything properly and then this happens to you."
The bar has been closed for the foreseeable future, the channel reported.
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800 people claimed they were 'COVID-free' or vaccinated for a dance party in the Netherlands. Now 180 people have tested positive. (yahoo.com)
800 people claimed they were 'COVID-free' or vaccinated for a dance party in the Netherlands. Now 180 people have tested positive.
- A Dutch party is emerging as a superspreader event after 180 attendees tested positive for COVID-19.
- Partygoers were required to demonstrate they were uninfected or vaccinated to get a ticket.
- The event appears to show potential flaws in reopening measures.
The reopening party of Aspen Valley bar in Enschede, in the eastern Netherlands, on June 26 required a "corona admission ticket," which were presold once partygoers had confirmed their status as either vaccinated or uninfected.
Social distancing and mask-wearing was not required at the party, the local newspaper Tubantia reported.
The event has exposed potential flaws in Dutch measures for reopening nightlife safely, and highlights the difficulty and risks that come with reopening events around the world.
The Dutch bar was working under a scheme known as "test for entry," according to the Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant. Under that scheme, a QR code is sent to people who have a negative test, which is then scanned by the venue.
"Prepare carefully and read through all the rules carefully to avoid disappointment," a Facebook flier for the event read. "This is how we help each other to finally make it a great party again!"
An unnamed local official speaking to Dutch TV network RTL Nieuws acknowledged rumors that "the club concerned has not adhered to all the measures," without specifying what they were.
The official also noted that the partygoers could have shared QR codes showing a negative test between themselves.
Authorities have recorded 180 positive tests since the event, which nearly 800 people attended, the local TV station RTV Oost reported.
Aspen Valley did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment, but the bar's owner, Tommy de Groot, told RTV Oost: "We really did everything we could to arrange everything properly and then this happens to you."
The bar has been closed for the foreseeable future, the channel reported.