Fair for all black people in the USA to be held responsible / pay reparations for violent acts of some black people?ople against Asians ?

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Rob Roy

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Don't Asian lives matter?

While there are fewer blacks than whites in the USA, it appears that Asian victims are attacked more often by blacks than whites. Is that a coincidence or evidence of systemic racist violence against Asians by blacks?

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Source of graph - Asian Dawn website
 

mooray

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Blacks and Asians have had friction in the US for decades. I don't know why exactly, but I think it has something to do with Asian immigrants buying up small businesses in black communities, mixed with the cultural differences in how Asian immigrants communicate, it often sounds very aggressive to a US ear.
 

HGCC

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Blacks and Asians have had friction in the US for decades. I don't know why exactly, but I think it has something to do with Asian immigrants buying up small businesses in black communities, mixed with the cultural differences in how Asian immigrants communicate, it often sounds very aggressive to a US ear.
Least the wu tang clan understood.

I think its a weird power dynamic. I know plenty of folks that rage out about some gas station clerk or bartender at a dive bar..."these motherfuckers coming here thinking their hot shit when they ain't shit and don't know fuck from fuck." Seems to be the same sort of irrational crap as being mad an immigrant opened a Bodega in the hood.

Idk what causes it, but if you are feeling low in your social standing it seems pretty common to lash out at what you see as just a bit better off than you are.
 

mooray

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Hahaha, you know how many times I've heard the start of that line, "these motherfuckers coming here...". Think you're right about the social standing element, some underlying competitive thing.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Don't Asian lives matter?

While there are fewer blacks than whites in the USA, it appears that Asian victims are attacked more often by blacks than whites. Is that a coincidence or evidence of systemic racist violence against Asians by blacks?

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Source of graph - Asian Dawn website
The crimes of individual black people are just that, the crimes of individuals. White people used the power of the state to suppress black people, terrorize and murder them, the state also supported and abetted terrorism against black people for over a century by the KKK and other racist organizations. Everything that was done to black people by white people using the power of the state since the constitution was amended to recognize them as citizens is subject to reparations.

Some states abused their power and made law enforcement and the judiciary elected positions, so they could attack and suppress blacks using the instruments of the state and abuse their elected positions of authority. Those states that elect law enforcement, prosecutors and judges, do so for racist reasons, such positions should be appointed professional career jobs. Instead, whoever can blow the dog whistle the loudest gets elected and the job in many racist counties and states. These states also disenfranchise felons for this purpose too, nail a black person for a felony and it's one less black voter and juror.
 

Rob Roy

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The crimes of individual black people are just that, the crimes of individuals.
This part of your post makes sense, the rest is inconsistent and frankly a pretty weak non sequitur.
Good and bad individual people come in all colors. Good people respect other peoples choices as long as they aren't violating another person rights.

All States abuse power, whether controlled by white people, black people, green people or a mix. Since they are involuntary institutions and don't give people an option to say, "no thanks".

Human relationships are either voluntary or involuntary. The ones which are voluntary, have a more likely chance of being peaceful than ones which are involuntary, since the nature of an involuntary situation is ALREADY not peaceful, therefore unable to ever be peaceful.

You're working hard to avoid the idea that there is a problem with a high incidence of attacks on Asians coming disproportionately from blacks.
Does it hurt you to acknowledge this? How can it be solved if it isn't brought out ?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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This part of your post makes sense, the rest is inconsistent and frankly a pretty weak non sequitur.
Good and bad individual people come in all colors. Good people respect other peoples choices as long as they aren't violating another person rights.

All States abuse power, whether controlled by white people, black people, green people or a mix. Since they are involuntary institutions and don't give people an option to say, "no thanks".

Human relationships are either voluntary or involuntary. The ones which are voluntary, have a more likely chance of being peaceful than ones which are involuntary, since the nature of an involuntary situation is ALREADY not peaceful, therefore unable to ever be peaceful.

You're working hard to avoid the idea that there is a problem with a high incidence of attacks on Asians coming disproportionately from blacks.
Does it hurt you to acknowledge this? How can it be solved if it isn't brought out ?
Yeah, like voluntarily count the jelly beans in the jar so you can register to vote.

Do black people assault Asians more than white people?

Why the trope of Black-Asian conflict in the face of anti-Asian violence dismisses solidarity (brookings.edu)

Why the trope of Black-Asian conflict in the face of anti-Asian violence dismisses solidarity

A recent survey shows that more than three out of four Asian Americans worry about experiencing hate crimes, harassment, and discrimination because of COVID-19. Among Chinese and Asian Indians, the figures are even higher at 84 percent and 80 percent, respectively.

These findings may be unsurprising in light of shocking video footage of anti-Asian violence that has recently gone viral. Viewers of these videos witnessed perpetrators shoving elderly men and women to the ground, assaulting Asian American men and women in the face, and stabbing an Asian American man in the back with an 8-inch knife. Asian-owned businesses like New York’s Xi’an Famous Foods, already under financial stress because of the pandemic, are also struggling to keep their employees safe. The spate of unprovoked attacks elicited a rallying cry that something must be done. For Asian Americans, however, this cry is a year overdue.

Since March of last year, there have been over 3,000 self-reported incidents of anti-Asian violence from 47 states and the District of Columbia, ranging from stabbings and beatings, to verbal harassment and bullying, to being spit on and shunned. While being spit on is offensive, in the time of coronavirus, it is also potentially lethal.

Democratic lawmakers, led by Rep. Grace Meng, D-N.Y. and Sen. Mazie Hirono, D-Hawaii, said they would introduce new anti-hate crime legislation to address a rise in hate incidents directed at Asian Americans. The bill would create a new position at the Department of Justice to facilitate the review of hate crimes and provide oversight of hate crimes related to COVID-19.

The Trope of Black-Asian Conflict

These senseless acts of anti-Asian violence have finally garnered the national attention they deserve, but they have also invoked anti-Black sentiment and reignited the trope of Black-Asian conflict. Because some of the video-taped perpetrators appear to have been Black, some observers immediately reduced anti-Asian violence to Black-Asian conflict. This is not the first time that the trope has been weaponized. Black-Asian conflict—and Black-Korean conflict more specifically—became the popular frame of the LA riots in 1992.

The trope failed to capture the reality of Black-Korean relations three decades ago, and it fails to capture the reality of anti-Asian bias today. A recent study finds that in fact, Christian nationalism is the strongest predictor of xenophobic views of COVID-19, and the effect of Christian nationalism is greater among white respondents, compared to Black respondents. Moreover, Black Americans have also experienced high levels of racial discrimination since the pandemic began. Hence, not only does the frame of two minoritized groups in conflict ignore the role of white national populism, but it also absolves the history and systems of inequality that positioned them there.
 

mooray

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Let's not forget how regions play a huge role in all this. A west coast republican is a hippiequeerocrat in georgia. Black people were heavily concentrated in the redneck areas for a loooong time. That immersion in bible thumping ignorance gets absorbed and doesn't evaporate overnight.
 
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