i love living in a sci-fi dystopia

[mooray]

There really isn't an answer right now except to live super old school. We know that directly using fossil fuels isn't good, but we think that renewable energy is awesome, except we ignore that it relies heavily on fossil fuels and isn't actually good either. I'm happy people buy solar/tesla products because it furthers the technology and hopefully that leads to something in the future, but technically speaking, renewables right now aren't actually helping when you add everything in. Only when you look at very specific/narrow snapshots do they appear to help, but not when you pan out. I know Michael Moore is a bit of a joke or whatever, but he made a decent documentary a while back about some of the issues.

 

[hanimmal]

Well that's pretty cool. Lotta panels and they have a lifespan as well. Some businesses line their entire rooftop with them, then replace them every ten years when the efficiency drops off a bit. Then it's time to bust out the tractors and send the black kids back into the mine again.

Are you talking about that Greta Thornberg meme?

Is this something you actually know about? I don't so have no way to know if you are just bullshitting or not.

There really isn't an answer right now except to live super old school. We know that directly using fossil fuels isn't good, but we think that renewable energy is awesome, except we ignore that it relies heavily on fossil fuels and isn't actually good either. I'm happy people buy solar/tesla products because it furthers the technology and hopefully that leads to something in the future, but technically speaking, renewables right now aren't actually helping when you add everything in. Only when you look at very specific/narrow snapshots do they appear to help, but not when you pan out. I know Michael Moore is a bit of a joke or whatever, but he made a decent documentary a while back about some of the issues.

Our tech can evolve, it will evolve too many people care about it now not to. And it will get better.

I think about things like my Kindle not using a heck of a lot of power.

We just first need to get two political parties that don't pretend like science is stupid because the world is going to end in a few years anyways so why care about tomorrow.

 

[doublejj]

There really isn't an answer right now except to live super old school. We know that directly using fossil fuels isn't good, but we think that renewable energy is awesome, except we ignore that it relies heavily on fossil fuels and isn't actually good either. I'm happy people buy solar/tesla products because it furthers the technology and hopefully that leads to something in the future, but technically speaking, renewables right now aren't actually helping when you add everything in. Only when you look at very specific/narrow snapshots do they appear to help, but not when you pan out. I know Michael Moore is a bit of a joke or whatever, but he made a decent documentary a while back about some of the issues.

Baby steps.....but lets move in the right direction away from fossil fuels...

 

[hanimmal]

Totally agree. It's just gluttony and an inconsideration for....anything but ourselves, but what else would be expected from a nation founded on hyper-individualism?

I know it was virtually impossible to perceive 250 years ago, but I sure wish there were something in the constitution about recognizing growth limitations so that it'd be a lasting culturally embedded idea. I don't know where exactly it comes from in Europe, but somehow the culture over there has developed an appreciation for efficiency and minimalism.

I think about what parts of the world would be most/less disrupted by any type of energy crisis. Rural Europe would barely notice, while we'd be eating each other in the US. South America would fare well too.

We did ok during the blackout in the 00's. I don't know of anything that would knock us out for very long that is not some kind of global catastrophe though.

 

[mooray]

Are you talking about that Greta Thornberg meme?

Is this something you actually know about? I don't so have no way to know if you are just bullshitting or not.


Our tech can evolve, it will evolve too many people care about it now not to. And it will get better.

I think about things like my Kindle not using a heck of a lot of power.

We just first need to get two political parties that don't pretend like science is stupid because the world is going to end in a few years anyways so why care about tomorrow.

I dunno about a Greta meme and I don't know where the actual percentage/time cutoff is for replacing panels, I just know that I've been happy to buy their takeoffs and reuse them around the property for various projects. The secondhand market is a great way to lengthen their lifespan.

As long as you have religion, one of those parties is going to be at odds with science. It's permanently baked in.

 

[mooray]

We did ok during the blackout in the 00's. I don't know of anything that would knock us out for very long that is not some kind of global catastrophe though.

Shoot, just look at how people reacted at the result of one hacker. Gotta think about how our society is run. When you go to the grocery store and buy something, where does that come from? It's certainly not local and fossil fuels are exactly what brought it from god-knows-where, to our hands. So, when there's any type of significant shortage, people gobble it up like toilet paper, then guess what....you see shortages of food. Then the shelves are empty. Without huge corporations, because that's what grocery stores are today, and without the fossil fuels to bring that food to the grocery store, I mean holy shit...people should really try to understand the severity of our dependencies and cut back on the trivializing of the frailty of it all.

 

[doublejj]

Shoot, just look at how people reacted at the result of one hacker. Gotta think about how our society is run. When you go to the grocery store and buy something, where does that come from? It's certainly not local and fossil fuels are exactly what brought it from god-knows-where, to our hands. So, when there's any type of significant shortage, people gobble it up like toilet paper, then guess what....you see shortages of food. Then the shelves are empty. Without huge corporations, because that's what grocery stores are today, and without the fossil fuels to bring that food to the grocery store, I mean holy shit...people should really try to understand the severity of our dependencies and cut back on the trivializing of the frailty of it all.

Tesla hacker to be deported after pleading guilty to ransomware plot against Giga Nevada

Tesla hacker to be deported after pleading guilty to ransomware plot against Giga Nevada

Russian Tesla hacker Egor Igorevich Kriuchkov will be deported from the United States after being sentenced on Monday to time already served. In March, Kruichkov pleaded guilty to a cybersecurity attack on Tesla’s Gigafactory Nevada in Reno. Kriuchkov appeared on a video conference from jail...

www.teslarati.com

 

[Fogdog]

Shoot, just look at how people reacted at the result of one hacker. Gotta think about how our society is run. When you go to the grocery store and buy something, where does that come from? It's certainly not local and fossil fuels are exactly what brought it from god-knows-where, to our hands. So, when there's any type of significant shortage, people gobble it up like toilet paper, then guess what....you see shortages of food. Then the shelves are empty. Without huge corporations, because that's what grocery stores are today, and without the fossil fuels to bring that food to the grocery store, I mean holy shit...people should really try to understand the severity of our dependencies and cut back on the trivializing of the frailty of it all.

Does mooray believe we are all frozen in amber and nothing will be different tomorrow or then next day. We are just going to have to do

What exactly?

as jj said. Let's get moving. Small steps are actually better. We don't know enough to build the whole new green system. Still, though, we have enough tech to make a difference, whether or not some people don't understand it.

 

[hanimmal]

Shoot, just look at how people reacted at the result of one hacker. Gotta think about how our society is run. When you go to the grocery store and buy something, where does that come from? It's certainly not local and fossil fuels are exactly what brought it from god-knows-where, to our hands. So, when there's any type of significant shortage, people gobble it up like toilet paper, then guess what....you see shortages of food. Then the shelves are empty. Without huge corporations, because that's what grocery stores are today, and without the fossil fuels to bring that food to the grocery store, I mean holy shit...people should really try to understand the severity of our dependencies and cut back on the trivializing of the frailty of it all.

I look at the great expanse of perfectly manicured lawns and see a endless supply of local food just waiting to be tapped.

Grocery stores are part of everything that I was talking about as being wildly inefficient.

 

[schuylaar]

‘Just World’ fallacy (not totally unlike the ‘Windows’ ubiquity = superior product’ fallacy)

It kinda tears me up that they simply can’t see that what their pitching, mostly, is themselves as better servants of the comfortable than the ungrateful poor would be…’ course, they’re proud independent businesspeople, not servants, so no cleaning toilets and doing laundry for them - unless they own the laundry so they can hire lesser servants to do all the work for them.

It really feeds into all the traditional aristocratic jumbo-jumbo, too: being entitled to the fruits of other people’s labor, being insulated from hardship by those less well-off than you, being “too good” for this or that chore, task, or duty. Supported by the mass of servants who know that the world is made so that “a job” and “money” are absolute necessities - yet control over such things is almost completely out of reach for almost all of us due to how that structure plays out in real time.

“Them’s that got shall get, them that’s not shall lose -
So the Bible says, but it still is news…
Momma may have, and Poppa may have, but
God bless the child that got his own…that got his own”

but don't you know poor people can't handle money? what happens to those 22 red states whose Governors are cutting the $300. and just where does that lump sum Federal money go now that Governors won't be giving it to your people?

The Big Lie Grift continues; perhaps it will go right to Donald Trump? it was quite suspect when they all jumped on that band wagon together.

 

[schuylaar]

Are you talking about that Greta Thornberg meme?

Is this something you actually know about? I don't so have no way to know if you are just bullshitting or not.


Our tech can evolve, it will evolve too many people care about it now not to. And it will get better.

I think about things like my Kindle not using a heck of a lot of power.

We just first need to get two political parties that don't pretend like science is stupid because the world is going to end in a few years anyways so why care about tomorrow.

books need no power Amazon is delivering with hybrid right now and going to all electric by 2030 which is way too long but whatever.

nothing beats the smell of a fresh best seller in your hands. i gave up my Kindle. I have no tattoos.

i'm going back..back to Titanic.

 

[hanimmal]

‘Just World’ fallacy (not totally unlike the ‘Windows’ ubiquity = superior product’ fallacy)

Wow yeah that term is pretty much exactly what I was thinking.

It kinda tears me up that they simply can’t see that what their pitching, mostly, is themselves as better servants of the comfortable than the ungrateful poor would be…’ course, they’re proud independent businesspeople, not servants, so no cleaning toilets and doing laundry for them - unless they own the laundry so they can hire lesser servants to do all the work for them.

It really feeds into all the traditional aristocratic jumbo-jumbo, too: being entitled to the fruits of other people’s labor, being insulated from hardship by those less well-off than you, being “too good” for this or that chore, task, or duty. Supported by the mass of servants who know that the world is made so that “a job” and “money” are absolute necessities - yet control over such things is almost completely out of reach for almost all of us due to how that structure plays out in real time.

“Them’s that got shall get, them that’s not shall lose -
So the Bible says, but it still is news…
Momma may have, and Poppa may have, but
God bless the child that got his own…that got his own”

The aristocrat bit makes me think of the 'a man's home is his castle'/'king of his castle' saying.

books need no power Amazon is delivering with hybrid right now and going to all electric by 2030 which is way too long but whatever.

nothing beats the smell of a fresh best seller in your hands. i gave up my Kindle. I have no tattoos.

i'm going back..back to Titanic.

Maybe if we start printing without trees. Trees are what is going to get us out of the mess a few hundred years of tearing them down has caused.

 

[mooray]

I look at the great expanse of perfectly manicured lawns and see a endless supply of local food just waiting to be tapped.

Grocery stores are part of everything that I was talking about as being wildly inefficient.

One problem around here in Northern California, and presumably elsewhere, is that farmers markets have become trendy for hipsters and Lexus housewives, which prices out lower income folks, so they're not at all what they should be. Of course that does change pretty fast when everyone is growing something in their yard.

 

[schuylaar]

Wow yeah that term is pretty much exactly what I was thinking.


The aristocrat bit makes me think of the 'a man's home is his castle'/'king of his castle' saying.





Maybe if we start printing without trees. Trees are what is going to get us out of the mess a few hundred years of tearing them down has caused.

can i please get the cliff notes on Just World..is it replacing Q?

 

[schuylaar]

One problem around here in Northern California, and presumably elsewhere, is that farmers markets have become trendy for hipsters and Lexus housewives, which prices out lower income folks, so they're not at all what they should be. Of course that does change pretty fast when everyone is growing something in their yard.

what does that mean? we have farmers markets pretty much everywhere so i don't understand.

 

[mooray]

The farmers markets around here are trendy for people with money, so it naturally attracts vendors wanting to boost their margins with higher prices. Healthy food is for the wealthy. Poor people eat 2-for-$3 heart disease at McD's. Food in the US is super fucked up.

 

[schuylaar]

The farmers markets around here are trendy for people with money, so it naturally attracts vendors wanting to boost their margins with higher prices. Healthy food is for the wealthy. Poor people eat 2-for-$3 heart disease at McD's. Food in the US is super fucked up.

the best deal is at Burger King you can get from the $1 menu double bacon cheeseburger, fries and drink for $3.

 

[mooray]

I wanted the cry/tears option, but went with a like instead.

 

[hanimmal]

can i please get the cliff notes on Just World..is it replacing Q?

That was the first I heard of it. But it described what I was trying to say very well.

The farmers markets around here are trendy for people with money, so it naturally attracts vendors wanting to boost their margins with higher prices. Healthy food is for the wealthy. Poor people eat 2-for-$3 heart disease at McD's. Food in the US is super fucked up.

Calories are cheap and extremely easy to consume. Good nutritious stable food is not. The way that we have subsidized food as a nation is due for a massive upheaval.

It is also what the 'inflation' hawks trolls like to pounce on to frighten the masses when they do become more inline with the prices that things like sugar/milk should cost.

 

[Ozumoz66]

I look at the great expanse of perfectly manicured lawns and see a endless supply of local food just waiting to be tapped.

Grocery stores are part of everything that I was talking about as being wildly inefficient.

My boss in 1984 was fresh from Holland and he too marvelled at the amounts of land occupied with just grass. How everyone's yard wasn't used for growing food was upsetting to him, yet in the years to come he never had a garden. Growing things isn't hard, but it does take up one's time and when there are many distractions, it takes a back seat. TV = time vampire comes to mind. RIU, admittedly, too has been a bit of a time burglar. All good though.

It's time to get back to the garden.