Jacks 321

OBIWANROLLMEWAN

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Hello there. I am trying to buy some Jacks nutrients online. It is a tad confusing at first on their website. They say for running tap water you need Jacks 15-5-20 Tap Jacks 10-30-20 Bloom and Jacks 7-15-30 Finish. And lastly their epsom salt which is NOT on their website that I can see. My question is would it be fine to just use the organic epsom salt that I already have? Sorry if this is a dumb question.
 

Wastei

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Hello there. I am trying to buy some Jacks nutrients online. It is a tad confusing at first on their website. They say for running tap water you need Jacks 15-5-20 Tap Jacks 10-30-20 Bloom and Jacks 7-15-30 Finish. And lastly their epsom salt which is NOT on their website that I can see. My question is would it be fine to just use the organic epsom salt that I already have? Sorry if this is a dumb question.
Whatever epsom salt(magnesium sulfate) should work, as long as it's not scented or anything. Epsom salt is not organic. It's a natural occuring mineral salt, but because it's been purified and cleaned industrially it's not organic.

I buy 10kg food and pharma grade, nice big clear homogenous crystals. Epsom salt becomes opague/white when in contact with moisture in the air, still just as usable.
 

OBIWANROLLMEWAN

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Whatever epsom salt(magnesium sulfate) should work, as long as it's not scented or anything. Epsom salt is not organic. It's a natural occuring mineral salt, but because it's been purified and cleaned industrially it's not organic.

I buy 10kg food and pharma grade, nice big clear homogenous crystals. Epsom salt becomes opague/white when in contact with moisture in the air, still just as usable.
So they probably just threw that little bs title on there for some more sales lol well they got me. But thank you for the advice!
 

jonnynobody

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Hello there. I am trying to buy some Jacks nutrients online. It is a tad confusing at first on their website. They say for running tap water you need Jacks 15-5-20 Tap Jacks 10-30-20 Bloom and Jacks 7-15-30 Finish. And lastly their epsom salt which is NOT on their website that I can see. My question is would it be fine to just use the organic epsom salt that I already have? Sorry if this is a dumb question.
You can use the 15-5-20 and epsom salt purchased at wal mart or any local drug store for about $5 for 5lb. It's so cheap and widely available jack's does not sell it. You don't need the 10-30-20, but you can use it if you'd like. The 7-15-30 is also not necessary, but you can use it if you like. I ran the 321 with 7-15-30 at the end with phenomenal results. If you are using tap water the 15-5-20 is your best bet. The blossom booster and finish formula are great products, but if funds are tight you definitely do not need them. I ran 321 without the blossom booster or 7-15-30 a few cycles with great results. Lots of other gardeners do too. If you've got the money I'd buy all 3. You'll have years worth of fertilizer for under $200. Buy the 25# bags. You get absolutely ass raped on unit cost for small packages. growgreenmi.com has the cheapest prices nationally I've been able to find. Good luck!
 

Tented

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I switched from gh to jacks this la st grow. Not using any of the other stuff ye T, but the ro formula is going great. I do see some stuff on Amazon with free shipping but I had to order the ro from them. I'm going to order some of their 20 20 20 and try it in my veggie garden this year.
 

jonnynobody

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I switched from gh to jacks this la st grow. Not using any of the other stuff ye T, but the ro formula is going great. I do see some stuff on Amazon with free shipping but I had to order the ro from them. I'm going to order some of their 20 20 20 and try it in my veggie garden this year.
I had to order my 7-15-30 finish formula from peters too. I couldn't find anyone that carried it. I just received a 25# bag of their 20-20-20. Great stuff. Got that one from wal marts market place for about $63 with free 2 day shipping from a vendor named ebenshades. I had a small tub leftover from years ago and thought I'd finally give it a shot on the outdoor garden. Within a couple hours everything perked up standing at attention. I figure I'll water it in once every 2 weeks or so to keep things looking snazzy. I hear good things about that RO formula.
 

twentyeight.threefive

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Hello there. I am trying to buy some Jacks nutrients online. It is a tad confusing at first on their website. They say for running tap water you need Jacks 15-5-20 Tap Jacks 10-30-20 Bloom and Jacks 7-15-30 Finish. And lastly their epsom salt which is NOT on their website that I can see. My question is would it be fine to just use the organic epsom salt that I already have? Sorry if this is a dumb question.
Jack's Magnesium Sulfate. As other have said you can pick up non-scented cheaply elsewhere.
 

xtsho

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All that matters is that it's 100% Mg. If it's good enough to be used as a laxative then it's good enough to use for your plants. Pharmaceutical grade. $5 for 5 pounds.


 

2com

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Hello there. I am trying to buy some Jacks nutrients online. It is a tad confusing at first on their website. They say for running tap water you need Jacks 15-5-20 Tap Jacks 10-30-20 Bloom and Jacks 7-15-30 Finish. And lastly their epsom salt which is NOT on their website that I can see. My question is would it be fine to just use the organic epsom salt that I already have? Sorry if this is a dumb question.
What's your tap water like? EC/PPM?
The only product you *need* to buy from Jacks (or Jacks branded I should say) is the "base", eg: 5-12-26, or 15-5-20 Tap, or whatever the RO version is. Calcium Nitrate is the second part, and is very cheap, so is Magnesium Sulfate, and both should be easily available. The MgSO4 isn't even needed really, depending on what you're growing in, and the ratios you're using. Eg: Jacks 5-12-26 already has magnesium sulfate in it.
Check out Renfro's nutrient calculator (or an online "elemental nutrient profile calculatore" like canna stats) if you wanna get an idea of what's actually in various fertilizers and ratios and stuff. It's worth it just to understand the concept.

Good luck, dude.
 
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