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[quiescent]

It’s funny that you mention rezdog, he was working the original sour, not ecsd and is someone that could verify to you. He was working with connoisseur genetics at the time and ojd can also break it down for you. If you want I’ll give you his email if you can stand to hear it.

It's funny I stood in a circle with people actually connected, which doesn't include rez or ojd, to the origin and get different information than what you're trying to provide. One of the people with two of the same letters as a handle followed by NYC was standing there and a story that's different than what he claims was told by someone and he kept his AJ cockholster shut.

I asked you which of like 6 cuts was the original sour diesel and you provided zero insight. You provide information counter to what is accepted by the community, given by the people that were actually there. I'm not really interested in discussing it further if it's going to be like this.

If you said that Chem D is potentially a cross of 91 and super skunk and that the ecsd clone came from a S1 of that I'd be more than glad to entertain the possibility. If you mentioned the west coast diesel with pink hairs you'd have some credibility because the same stock that ecsd was in was split and went out west.

You've given me nothing but, "You're wrong. You can ask an untrustworthy individual and some dude that made seeds for said untrustworthy dude about it." I'm sorry bro but you're putting shit in my mouth and telling me it's chocolate cake. I'm not easily swayed from my own experiences by some random guy on the internet not supporting anything he posts on a subject.

If rez was using original diesel/AJs I wouldn't be surprised but that's irrelevant to what cut YOU consider the original. It's not some mythical cut that no one has.

Pips uses the ecsd he identifies as the sour diesel, pretty trustworthy guy.

Fletcher from Archive uses the ecsd cut and calls that just sour diesel.

The deathstar boys used ecsd as well.

Adam Dunn refers to ecsd as sour diesel and AJs as something else.

The dude describes ecsd to a T as the real sour. He's verified that the ecsd cut produced flowers that were the real sour.

I could go on with examples and call in witnesses but I'll let you lay it out since you have the answer. I'm not spending more of my time on this issue. If you want to make a post in the thread with thousands of replies on icmag letting everyone know that we're all growing not sour diesel, feel free... I'll be watching.

 

[colocowboy]

It's funny I stood in a circle with people actually connected, which doesn't include rez or ojd, to the origin and get different information than what you're trying to provide. One of the people with two of the same letters as a handle followed by NYC was standing there and a story that's different than what he claims was told by someone and he kept his AJ cockholster shut.

I asked you which of like 6 cuts was the original sour diesel and you provided zero insight. You provide information counter to what is accepted by the community, given by the people that were actually there. I'm not really interested in discussing it further if it's going to be like this.

If you said that Chem D is potentially a cross of 91 and super skunk and that the ecsd clone came from a S1 of that I'd be more than glad to entertain the possibility. If you mentioned the west coast diesel with pink hairs you'd have some credibility because the same stock that ecsd was in was split and went out west.

You've given me nothing but, "You're wrong. You can ask an untrustworthy individual and some dude that made seeds for said untrustworthy dude about it." I'm sorry bro but you're putting shit in my mouth and telling me it's chocolate cake. I'm not easily swayed from my own experiences by some random guy on the internet not supporting anything he posts on a subject.

If rez was using original diesel/AJs I wouldn't be surprised but that's irrelevant to what cut YOU consider the original. It's not some mythical cut that no one has.

Pips uses the ecsd he identifies as the sour diesel, pretty trustworthy guy.

Fletcher from Archive uses the ecsd cut and calls that just sour diesel.

The deathstar boys used ecsd as well.

Adam Dunn refers to ecsd as sour diesel and AJs as something else.

The dude describes ecsd to a T as the real sour. He's verified that the ecsd cut produced flowers that were the real sour.

I could go on with examples and call in witnesses but I'll let you lay it out since you have the answer. I'm not spending more of my time on this issue. If you want to make a post in the thread with thousands of replies on icmag letting everyone know that we're all growing not sour diesel, feel free... I'll be watching.

I think you just talk a lot! You just contradict yourself. As stated the Bro said ecsd produces similar flowers, your riding that way out.

 

[quiescent]

I think you just talk a lot! You just contradict yourself.

Right on, thanks for your input. Have a good one.

 

[colocowboy]

It's funny I stood in a circle with people actually connected, which doesn't include rez or ojd, to the origin and get different information than what you're trying to provide. One of the people with two of the same letters as a handle followed by NYC was standing there and a story that's different than what he claims was told by someone and he kept his AJ cockholster shut.

I asked you which of like 6 cuts was the original sour diesel and you provided zero insight. You provide information counter to what is accepted by the community, given by the people that were actually there. I'm not really interested in discussing it further if it's going to be like this.

If you said that Chem D is potentially a cross of 91 and super skunk and that the ecsd clone came from a S1 of that I'd be more than glad to entertain the possibility. If you mentioned the west coast diesel with pink hairs you'd have some credibility because the same stock that ecsd was in was split and went out west.

You've given me nothing but, "You're wrong. You can ask an untrustworthy individual and some dude that made seeds for said untrustworthy dude about it." I'm sorry bro but you're putting shit in my mouth and telling me it's chocolate cake. I'm not easily swayed from my own experiences by some random guy on the internet not supporting anything he posts on a subject.

If rez was using original diesel/AJs I wouldn't be surprised but that's irrelevant to what cut YOU consider the original. It's not some mythical cut that no one has.

Pips uses the ecsd he identifies as the sour diesel, pretty trustworthy guy.

Fletcher from Archive uses the ecsd cut and calls that just sour diesel.

The deathstar boys used ecsd as well.

Adam Dunn refers to ecsd as sour diesel and AJs as something else.

The dude describes ecsd to a T as the real sour. He's verified that the ecsd cut produced flowers that were the real sour.

I could go on with examples and call in witnesses but I'll let you lay it out since you have the answer. I'm not spending more of my time on this issue. If you want to make a post in the thread with thousands of replies on icmag letting everyone know that we're all growing not sour diesel, feel free... I'll be watching.

I believe you can go on and on, which is hysterical whenever you put in the context of how you have no respect for words.

 

[Gentlemencorpse]

Stressing a plant causes the plant to

Why wouldn't the stress from using SILVER or anything else cause the same epigenetic effects? Is there any proof at all that it's actually different? Do you have some actual science to back that up with or just speculation? You say lazy breeders got bad reps for using that tech, but how do you know they just weren't lazy ass breeders who picked shitty plants too? Correlation ain't causation and that's nothing but specualtion. Plenty of Cup winners came from bag seed created by light leaks, some on purpose some not, so not everyone who breeds that way is "lazy" nor did they all simply get lucky.

The same reductions in plant hormones takes place regardless of how it's done. So what's the Magic contained in Silver or other Chemicals that allows the plants to remain unscathed in a way that spares them the genetic ravages of a light leak? Honestly, I've heard this claim tons of times but never one bit of science comes with the claim. I have never read anywhere HOW the silver is supposed to magically spare the plants from problems or how the light leak is supposed to do more damage than chemicals.

I'll gladly eat crow if you can link to anything that proves the claim that silver doesn't cause negative effects but light leaks do.

Honestly I think guys that breed with silver made that shit up so they could pretend their seeds were somehow genetically special, rather than it simply being a convienent way to consistently get more seeds. Until someone shows me the actual science that explains the difference it's just more bro lore. until there is actual scientific proof I'll continue to believe that it's nothing more than speculation from people who were motivated to make people believe their seeds were some special magic.

What mechanism damages the plant genetically with light leaks and the subsequent reduction in hormones, that wouldn't also damage plants when the same hormones are reduced even further with Silver or other chemicals? How's that work exactly?

Show me the Science and make me a believer, otherwise it's just more bro lore (and an excuse to charge more for seeds I suppose).

The reality is epigenetic inheritance is still just a theory and there's not enough research specific to the use of STS or Colloidal Silver to definitively answer whether or not it will effect their progeny.

I was going to elaborate, but honestly, I don't have the wherewithal, and I have a far more pressing question anyways...

Where is @Useful Seeds? Haven't seen him in a couple weeks. Hopefully he's just busy working on the upcoming projects

 

[Staretz44]

I'm on day two of week four of flower and my Double Diesel pistils are turning a brownish orange. Normal?

 

[Learning1234]

I'm on day two of week four of flower and my Double Diesel pistils are turning a brownish orange. Normal?

Could be a few things and could be just normal.

 

[quiescent]

I'm not going to put the time into teaching someone about something they didn't even articulate properly. I gave you the ammo to teach yourself something.

If you want to be spoonfed information you don't fully understand I'm not that guy. That's why I provided examples for you to extrapolate you own opinion.

Talk to Mr science teacher, he might understand how rodelization effects the sexual stability linked traits, especially if inbreeding.

From there you can draw on decades of people growing seeds produced via rodelization and see that certain plants that are ready to show you how dioecious they are as they produce a sizeable chunk of plants that express fully male or both sexes.

After that you can pull your ass out of 1999 and see that epigenetics is more than a theory as there are detectable chemical differences in the DNA of most plants that have concrete evidence that there are changes in that gene's expressions via all kinds of environmental conditions.

 

[Gentlemencorpse]

that epigenetics is more than a theory

Dude, evolution is still a theory. Few things in life are proven facts.

But we can debate the philosophy of science elsewhere. This is the Useful Seeds thread.... let's get back on track and stick to positivity and pictures of dank nugs. Wish I had something to share but all my useful gear is seedling status at the moment!

 

[colocowboy]

I'm not going to put the time into teaching someone about something they didn't even articulate properly. I gave you the ammo to teach yourself something.

If you want to be spoonfed information you don't fully understand I'm not that guy. That's why I provided examples for you to extrapolate you own opinion.

Talk to Mr science teacher, he might understand how rodelization effects the sexual stability linked traits, especially if inbreeding.

From there you can draw on decades of people growing seeds produced via rodelization and see that certain plants that are ready to show you how dioecious they are as they produce a sizeable chunk of plants that express fully male or both sexes.

After that you can pull your ass out of 1999 and see that epigenetics is more than a theory as there are detectable chemical differences in the DNA of most plants that have concrete evidence that there are changes in that gene's expressions via all kinds of environmental conditions.

Just like before you take one little fact and blow it out your ass. Yes there are such a thing as epigenetic shifts that can occur but you’re claiming a point that’s not scientifically proven to be this, it’s far more likely the selections weren’t tested or they just didn’t care. Not everything reverses well.
Just like your circle of jerks claim about ecsd, ignore the black and white, even though I owed you no due diligence. Blah blah blah, why not quit crapping up all the threads with you midwest bro knows diatribes?! You know you’re not half a bad dude when you’re not claiming all kinds of wild crap... put your elbows down bro, sheeesh!

 

[Chip Green]

The Useful Seeds thread is for spreading the love.....

 

[Marker759]

Here’s a little love for all of you, blueberries and oranges day 37 from flip.

 

[Qube]

Here's a shot of Chem D x BOO at day 74. It could have gone a week longer but I had to flip the tent. It's in the jar now and the orange smells are starting to pick up.

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

Anybody in this thread an actual biologist? Or have degrees in plant biology/genealogy or even evolution? Just curious because pretty sure we all have access to google

 

[colocowboy]

While I’m not a degreed botanist I have been studying it as a scientist for 25 years now and growing cannabis for the last 35. The studies I have read show that some traits can be set by stress during pollination, that’s real, but there must be a predisposition toward intersex traits for that to be a prevalent trait. It’s not more complicated than punnets.
**It’s worth noting that there is a difference between a plant that expresses intersex traits and recessive hermaphroditism. I would like to see a study that compares the progeny of cultivars with known stress induced intersex traits, in reversal project crosses compared to that of know stress stable cultivars.
Using silver doesn’t fix any latent tendencies**

 

[Useful Seeds]

WOW !! I have been busier than a 2 dicked dog, lol. Garden stuff, spending time with my new Granddaughter, and other life stuff. And I visit our page to see folks arguing. Please take that stuff to PM's.

 

[colocowboy]

Sorry boss

 

[Jmass420]

Here’s a little love for all of you, blueberries and oranges day 37 from flip. View attachment 4899770View attachment 4899771

This strain is one of my favorites

 

[Jmass420]

Here's a shot of Chem D x BOO at day 74. It could have gone a week longer but I had to flip the tent. It's in the jar now and the orange smells are starting to pick up.

Very chunky

 

[TugthePup]

My question

WOW !! I have been busier than a 2 dicked dog, lol. Garden stuff, spending time with my new Granddaughter, and other life stuff. And I visit our page to see folks arguing. Please take that stuff to PM's.

I bet spending time with the grandbaby is heaven!