Matt Gaetz

DIY-HP-LED

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I think Max hit the nail on the head here.

"Most Republicans don’t care that Trump locked up children, cozied up to white supremacists, tear-gassed peaceful protesters, benefited from Russian help in both of his campaigns, egregiously mishandled the pandemic, incited a violent attack on the Capitol and even faced fraud complaints from his own donors. A new Reuters-Ipsos poll finds that 81 percent of Republicans have a favorable impression of Trump. Wait. It gets worse: 60 percent say the 2020 election was stolen from him, only 28 percent say he is even partly to blame for the Capitol insurrection, and 55 percent say that the Capitol attack “was led by violent left-wing protestors trying to make Trump look bad.”

This is a portrait of a party that can’t be saved — at least in the foreseeable future. The GOP remains a cult of personality for the worst president in U.S. history. It has become a bastion of irrationality, conspiracy mongering, racism, nativism and anti-scientific prejudices."
 

DIY-HP-LED

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This is what progressives are all about, first capture power, then capture the center of the country and just do the popular things until 2022, think strategically. The GOP are digging their own graves politically, don't get in their way, wait until they are buried in a deep hole and proceed with caution for a few years.

Trump and the last election revealed the true state of the country, it needs to be moved along a bit more before single payer healthcare is introduced. Long after the insurance companies cut off those unvaccinated from healthcare coverage over covid, we can't do that in Canada to drive up vaccine compliance, you can and will. Make no mistake that's where the democrats are headed if they can gain a few senate seats and maintain the house in 2022, a whole new realm of possibilities open up. Keep the trend up in 2024 and you will be well on your way to a better country, enhanced Obamacare will do until then.
 

schuylaar

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I think Max hit the nail on the head here.

"Most Republicans don’t care that Trump locked up children, cozied up to white supremacists, tear-gassed peaceful protesters, benefited from Russian help in both of his campaigns, egregiously mishandled the pandemic, incited a violent attack on the Capitol and even faced fraud complaints from his own donors. A new Reuters-Ipsos poll finds that 81 percent of Republicans have a favorable impression of Trump. Wait. It gets worse: 60 percent say the 2020 election was stolen from him, only 28 percent say he is even partly to blame for the Capitol insurrection, and 55 percent say that the Capitol attack “was led by violent left-wing protestors trying to make Trump look bad.”

This is a portrait of a party that can’t be saved — at least in the foreseeable future. The GOP remains a cult of personality for the worst president in U.S. history. It has become a bastion of irrationality, conspiracy mongering, racism, nativism and anti-scientific prejudices."
this is when you have to throw the males away.
 

Fogdog

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This is what progressives are all about, first capture power, then capture the center of the country and just do the popular things until 2022, think strategically. The GOP are digging their own graves politically, don't get in their way, wait until they are buried in a deep hole and proceed with caution for a few years.

Trump and the last election revealed the true state of the country, it needs to be moved along a bit more before single payer healthcare is introduced. Long after the insurance companies cut off those unvaccinated from healthcare coverage over covid, we can't do that in Canada to drive up vaccine compliance, you can and will. Make no mistake that's where the democrats are headed if they can gain a few senate seats and maintain the house in 2022, a whole new realm of possibilities open up. Keep the trend up in 2024 and you will be well on your way to a better country, enhanced Obamacare will do until then.
Right now, I don't think Democrats are going to keep control of the senate. The House is a toss up.

You are right in saying that Democrats are doing their level best to do what's right for the vast majority of people in this country. They need to get the infrastructure bill passed and do something at the federal level to challenge the anti-voting rights laws being passed in red states. The need to do that by the end of this year. IMO, Democrats will be OK if, a year from now, the economy and jobs are back to pre-Covid levels and the epidemic is under control.

After that, we'll see if enough people in this country care about jobs, health, environment and civil rights. We'll see if the majority of white people are really just tribal racists and willing to go back to incompetent and corrupt Republican government in order to keep the darkies down. From what I've seen, they haven't learned a damn thing and the only question that remains is whether or not Biden can grow a multiracial coalition through what will be an intensely partisan mid-term election.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Right now, I don't think Democrats are going to keep control of the senate. The House is a toss up.
2022 does look good for the democrats in the senate, the GOP have 20 seats up for grabs and a lot of retirements. Everyday the GOP digs deeper and Joe is very attractive to many independents. We will see what a year brings, but without Trump on the ballot the GOP might be in for a shock in an off year election.

Actual republicans are now greatly out numbered by independents and about half are really republicans, but they are a softer target than the remaining republicans who are a write off. White "solidarity" will break down over time without continual incitement and propagandizing. That's why you must go after hate radio (band reassigning to digital) regulate cable and social media. You might have trouble putting fox in a box, but when Murdoch croaks that might change on it's own.

HR-1 and voters rights will make a difference too, if it didn't the republicans wouldn't be freaking out over it.
 

Fogdog

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2022 does look good for the democrats in the senate, the GOP have 20 seats up for grabs and a lot of retirements. Everyday the GOP digs deeper and Joe is very attractive to many independents. We will see what a year brings, but without Trump on the ballot the GOP might be in for a shock in an off year election.

Actual republicans are now greatly out numbered by independents and about half are really republicans, but they are a softer target than the remaining republicans who are a write off. White "solidarity" will break down over time without continual incitement and propagandizing. That's why you must go after hate radio (band reassigning to digital) regulate cable and social media. You might have trouble putting fox in a box, but when Murdoch croaks that might change on it's own.

HR-1 and voters rights will make a difference too, if it didn't the republicans wouldn't be freaking out over it.
Opinion: The House looks like a GOP lock in 2022, but the Senate will be much harder

The Democrats’ meager nine-seat House majority is likely to evaporate in the midterms. Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) is likely to be House speaker in 2023.

Prospects for Republican gains in the 50-50 Senate are not so good. Only nine seats are really seen as “in play.” Republicans are retiring in Missouri, Ohio, North Carolina and Pennsylvania. Sen. Ron Johnson promised Wisconsin voters in 2016 that he would retire; he may face an uphill climb if he breaks that promise. (Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska upsets the right wing but is a reliable vote to organize the Senate, and the GOP will support her.) So five Republican seats are at risk. Only four Democratic seats are considered competitive: Arizona, Georgia, New Hampshire and Nevada.



Five Republican Senate seats are considered at risk compared to four for Democrats. This probably gives the advantage to Democrats but that will evaporate quickly if there is a scandal or a new wave of the epidemic rolls back Biden's gains for the economy. I'd say it all rests on a knife edge right now, House and Senate.

Biden is doing very well right now and if that continues, more likely the balance will fall on the Democratic Party's side. I'm waiting for the next shoe to drop. We have slightly less than two years for something to happen that shifts the balance. I don't know what that will be but you know what they say about predicting the future.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Opinion: The House looks like a GOP lock in 2022, but the Senate will be much harder

The Democrats’ meager nine-seat House majority is likely to evaporate in the midterms. Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) is likely to be House speaker in 2023.

Prospects for Republican gains in the 50-50 Senate are not so good. Only nine seats are really seen as “in play.” Republicans are retiring in Missouri, Ohio, North Carolina and Pennsylvania. Sen. Ron Johnson promised Wisconsin voters in 2016 that he would retire; he may face an uphill climb if he breaks that promise. (Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska upsets the right wing but is a reliable vote to organize the Senate, and the GOP will support her.) So five Republican seats are at risk. Only four Democratic seats are considered competitive: Arizona, Georgia, New Hampshire and Nevada.



Five Republican Senate seats are considered at risk compared to four for Democrats. This probably gives the advantage to Democrats but that will evaporate quickly if there is a scandal or a new wave of the epidemic rolls back Biden's gains for the economy. I'd say it all rests on a knife edge right now, House and Senate.

Biden is doing very well right now and if that continues, more likely the balance will fall on the Democratic Party's side. I'm waiting for the next shoe to drop. We have slightly less than two years for something to happen that shifts the balance. I don't know what that will be but you know what they say about predicting the future.
The democrats only need to keep the house and win a couple of more in the senate to diminish the power of Manchin or others who are show boating and looking for state goodies at everybody else's expense. A lot of water has passed under the bridge since election day and tens of thousands of REPUBLICANS, dropped their party after the capital hill insurrection. I think that was the Rubicon they crossed for many Americans, enough to keep them out of power, provided Joe does a good job and he is so far. Ask yourself, how much of the Obama WH was the Biden WH? Joe did most of the hiring for him had much of the experience and knew everybody who was any good in Washington. There might have been more Biden in the Obama administration than people realize.
 

CunningCanuk

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Opinion: The House looks like a GOP lock in 2022, but the Senate will be much harder

The Democrats’ meager nine-seat House majority is likely to evaporate in the midterms. Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) is likely to be House speaker in 2023.

Prospects for Republican gains in the 50-50 Senate are not so good. Only nine seats are really seen as “in play.” Republicans are retiring in Missouri, Ohio, North Carolina and Pennsylvania. Sen. Ron Johnson promised Wisconsin voters in 2016 that he would retire; he may face an uphill climb if he breaks that promise. (Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska upsets the right wing but is a reliable vote to organize the Senate, and the GOP will support her.) So five Republican seats are at risk. Only four Democratic seats are considered competitive: Arizona, Georgia, New Hampshire and Nevada.



Five Republican Senate seats are considered at risk compared to four for Democrats. This probably gives the advantage to Democrats but that will evaporate quickly if there is a scandal or a new wave of the epidemic rolls back Biden's gains for the economy. I'd say it all rests on a knife edge right now, House and Senate.

Biden is doing very well right now and if that continues, more likely the balance will fall on the Democratic Party's side. I'm waiting for the next shoe to drop. We have slightly less than two years for something to happen that shifts the balance. I don't know what that will be but you know what they say about predicting the future.
After what Republicans have done to democracy recently, it’s unbelievable to think they could actually gain a majority.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I reset my own expectations when I saw how many voted for Trump on nov 3.
That was a bitch slap back to reality for us all, but it's best to have a true grasp of the situation in any battle, we all now apprehend the magnitude and true causes of the problem. A lot more folks are taking politics more seriously these days and I'll bet the age of interest has gotten a lot younger too. The republican extremism lead to a counter reaction of determination, democrats are not as reactive, but are more methodical and strategic, at least Joe's people are.

We haven't heard much about Susan Rice, she was a foreign affairs heavy weight who is now quietly working on the strategic end of home land security and that means keeping the republicans out of power as a practical matter, not a political one.
 

injinji

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. . . . . . . . A lot of water has passed under the bridge since election day and tens of thousands of REPUBLICANS, dropped their party after the capital hill insurrection. I think that was the Rubicon they crossed for many Americans. . . . . . . .
I don't think very many Americans know what crossing the Rubicon means.
 

Justin-case

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Only four-wheelers.
And anyone with a half a conscious that cares about the environment. Those assholes should find better things to do with their time. Maybe I shouldn't get started, unless anyone wants to hear about the absolute horrors of the annual migration of meat heads into the heart of the Sierra?
 
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