CSI humboldt thread

[Mrsmokestacks]

I've got to ask has anyone here grown out any of CSI's HP13 crosses?
I have been able to find HP13 x Irene,
HP13 x GSC, and HP13 x Zkittles and wonder if there is more.

Got some Hashplant x bubba going now. Only a few days in. I'll let you know when they're further in.

 

[Mrsmokestacks]

FYI for anyone popping freebies. Out of around 20 strains in my garden almost exclusively from CSI right now the Florado x Bubba is pretty hermaphroditic. 3 of 3 have balls and pretty high up on the branches. One is specifically terrible. Stripped em to the top few nodes. Most other strains are showing very few if any male bits so far (day 22). The goat and monkey irene x tk was even worse. It had male bits mixed in with the females on the very tops. A true intersex style hermaphrodite. I don't even keep those around and they are a rarity for me.

 

[Bakersfield]

Got some Hashplant x bubba going now. Only a few days in. I'll let you know when they're further in.

Is it HP13 x Bubba?

FYI for anyone popping freebies. Out of around 20 strains in my garden almost exclusively from CSI right now the Florado x Bubba is pretty hermaphroditic. 3 of 3 have balls and pretty high up on the branches. One is specifically terrible. Stripped em to the top few nodes. Most other strains are showing very few if any male bits so far (day 22). The goat and monkey irene x tk was even worse. It had male bits mixed in with the females on the very tops. A true intersex style hermaphrodite. I don't even keep those around and they are a rarity for me.

Good to know about Goat and Monkey.
I thought about trying his strains but I try to avoid hermaphrodites, plus all his stuff I want is gone.

 

[JewelRunner]

I've got to ask has anyone here grown out any of CSI's HP13 crosses?
I have been able to find HP13 x Irene,
HP13 x GSC, and HP13 x Zkittles and wonder if there is more.

curious about that kush 4 too, I think I heard someone hypothesize it might be an og kush ancestor but of course its all hearsay. supposed to be nice either way. Is hp13 the same as g13hp?

 

[Mrsmokestacks]

Is it HP13 x Bubba?

Good to know about Goat and Monkey.
I thought about trying his strains but I try to avoid hermaphrodites, plus all his stuff I want is gone.

Of Goat and monkey I've also ran full packs (7) Blue dream x triangle and (15) blue dream x hippyslayer from him. 2/3 germ on the Irene x tk. Both irenetk were bad herms. The other two strains had some bananas here and there, but just the typical stuff I see in haze crosses. Neither of those were remarkable, but good blue dream phenos. I still have 3 of his chemd x tk going (day22) Looking just fine and typical og/chem structure. Still have daywrecker x tk of his to try. I'm definitely not disparaging him.

After all these bubba seeds I popped this round I've decided ogs and chems are pretty much my stee low. 40ish day veg and ALWAYS hit ~ 4 zips in one gal of coco. These death rows have decent structures as well as the ofp f2. The tk x Mendo purple are tall, but still have that single cola dominance that I as a supercropper/bender hate . The purple dogbud has an og structure on a tiny frame. Probably needed way more veg. The bubba's are slow vegging afghanis and bubba seems to dominate most everything it's crossed with, but there are a few like fire og x Bubba, yo cheese x Bubba and the Florado x bubba where mom comes through. Observations only based on my limited number of phenotypes of each strain.

 

[Bakersfield]

curious about that kush 4 too, I think I heard someone hypothesize it might be an og kush ancestor but of course its all hearsay. supposed to be nice either way. Is hp13 the same as g13hp?

I've read it is Hashplant x G13 on popular sites like AllBud, but all the heads that know her say she is not an Indica stone wise and she'll get you super high. Supposedly, there is Thai admixture.
I know nothing about Kush 4. Sounds cool.
I've always thought of Hollywood Pure Kush as being an OG precursor strain.
I wonder if they are similar?

 

[Bakersfield]

Well, I read the comments section on the 2 posts CSI has about Kush 4 and apparently it's an Afghani or Pakistani that Jim Ortega gave Neville who later crossed it to NL2 to create his
Hindu Kush line.

 

[JewelRunner]

Well, I read the comments section on the 2 posts CSI has about Kush 4 and apparently it's an Afghani or Pakistani that Jim Ortega gave Neville who later crossed it to NL2 to create his
Hindu Kush line.

Wish there were whole plant shots, the green nug look like og but she’s probably a squat afghani

 

[quiescent]

FYI for anyone popping freebies. Out of around 20 strains in my garden almost exclusively from CSI right now the Florado x Bubba is pretty hermaphroditic. 3 of 3 have balls and pretty high up on the branches. One is specifically terrible. Stripped em to the top few nodes. Most other strains are showing very few if any male bits so far (day 22). The goat and monkey irene x tk was even worse. It had male bits mixed in with the females on the very tops. A true intersex style hermaphrodite. I don't even keep those around and they are a rarity for me.

It sounds like you flowered seed plants. Take clones from sexually mature parts of the plant, then trash the seed plant. The only thing seed plants with American genetics are good for is getting clones and posting about herms. Generally it's not an issue with the clones.

 

[iShatterBladderz]

Damn CSI hooked me up with a ton of freebies! Got my GG4 x Bubblegums and he sent Good Ol Days, PCK IBL, Durban Fallen Soldiers, and Lemon Party Fallen Soldiers along for the ride. I ran Durban's back in the 05' Seedbay times but only remember them having a foul landfill trash terpine profile but i think they were Durban x Skunk #1. The Good Ol Days sound most interesting to me but ill probably give all the freebies away unless somebody here thinks any of the freebies are worth a go?

The GG4 x bubblegum is definitely worth growing out. the cut i flowered out tastes strongly of bubblegum with a pine undertone. Potent and big, resinous flowers.

 

[iShatterBladderz]

lemon tree and it’s progeny are all slept on so hard, I don’t get it. That lemon party s1 is actually likely an s2 of lemon tree based on what Caleb has said. Might explain the herm issues. I have a pack of those and like 5 other hybrids including 3 packs of the tk x lemon. Blends amazing with kush based on my experience with Cannarado’s topanga canyon og x lemon tree.

Lemon tree x Zkittles was amazing too. Strongest tasting flower ive ever grown.

 

[skuba]

Lemon tree x Zkittles was amazing too. Strongest tasting flower ive ever grown.

Did you get any zkittlez leaners? What kind of flavors did you get?! I’m super excited about mine

 

[iShatterBladderz]

Did you get any zkittlez leaners? What kind of flavors did you get?! I’m super excited about mine

I only flowered out one cut of the lemon tree x Zkittles, extremely strong lemon flavor, with a berry undertone. very spaced-out out kind of high, but in a way that allows you to really focus on whatever you’re doing. wasnt the best in the yield department but wasn’t terrible either. Trichomes for days though, from very early on too. They were coated by week 3 of flower, and from there they just got bigger. The plant truly had some beautiful colors come out during fade.

 

[Mrsmokestacks]

It sounds like you flowered seed plants. Take clones from sexually mature parts of the plant, then trash the seed plant. The only thing seed plants with American genetics are good for is getting clones and posting about herms. Generally it's not an issue with the clones.

I'm perfectly satisfied with CSI, especially after running tons of stuff from breeders worldwide. You're correct about clones from seeds being more stable, but I don't take the time to clone much anymore. The flowers from my seed plants are typically amazing, just gotta look for balls below the 5th node and strip accordingly. If they appear above that especially in the tops I would guarantee any clone from them would also carry Herm and intersex traits. I always veg plants to sexual maturity before bloom. I expect some underlying Herm traits to surface with my growing style (1 gal coco coir dtw). Every breeder and every line can have plants that throw balls. Obviously some crosses do to an extreme. I can grow a bunch of plants that have a few balls here and there and still not have seeds in the finished product, but when I find a line that herms more easily or readily in my garden I'm going to let people know. Those same lines will likely be more hermaphroditic for them too and might make the smaller grower lean towards a less hermaphroditic line.... Ya dig???

 

[quiescent]

I can totally appreciate letting people know a tendency is there, if you don't know about flo or bubba history you might not expect them. I just try to let people know you can avoid them altogether. Not necessarily only you, others that may not even be registered. I think that we're on the same team here.

I see so many people posting the same "problems", it generally all boils down to space/time which I totally get. I try to grow out accurate representations of the plant's potential I paid for and get 1/10th of the problem plants. Seed plants are anything but that; not only in growth pattern but terpene development and a general acclimatization to environment can lead to wildly different results in some varieties. I find more nuance in my clones than I do in my seed plants when I flower them for the first time.

 

[YardG]

Just to be clear... when you talk about "seed plants" do you mean "plants grown from seed"? As opposed to clones (which presumably were taken from "seed plants" that did not show frequent male flowers).

 

[quiescent]

Yes. IME if you take clones from the upper part of the plant that are showing alternating nodes and female preflowers these issues are alleviated.

This is how I've done things in the past to minimize wasted resources/footprint on pheno hunts.

I take a couple cuttings, throw the best structured one in flower. I keep the other in a 6x6 or beer cup for about 3 weeks - keep these plants happy! Then take 2 more cuts, keep the best looking one and by the time it hits ~3 weeks again you should be able to tell if its likely you'll be trying a second run. Take cuts off of any potential keepers.

 

[Mrsmokestacks]

Just to be clear... when you talk about "seed plants" do you mean "plants grown from seed"? As opposed to clones (which presumably were taken from "seed plants" that did not show frequent male flowers).

I'm pretty sure that's what he's saying. Seed plants are more likely to show sexual instability than more sexually mature clones from that same plant. If the seed was a true hermaphrodite and not just a sexually maturing female then the clones will also be hermaphrodites. If the seed plant has very few male parts but is primarily female it will likely not express that instability in it's newest growth or the clones taken after it is mature. That doesn't mean you can't identity a true Herm before taking clones and a clone of a Herm will be a Herm. A few balls or dicks on a seed plant doesn't mean it won't sexually stabilize in newer growth (or clones). I just don't have time to grow a seed to maturity just to kill it and take clones to then root and veg. I do a good job on my seeds, look for excessive intersex/Herm traits, cull anything that isn't salvageable or that likely won't mature out of those traits, and strip the keepers to the top 18-24" of the plant to further reduce the likelihood of unseen male parts. Sometimes clones do have a different effect/taste/etc than the seed they came from, but two clones grown in the same way on different runs can also show a bit of variance due to any factors than aren't perfectly replicated (environment, feed, pathogen, etc). If you do a good job on the seeds you can mitigate the difference between them and the next generation of clones off of them though. I feel like a lot of (not all) the variance between a seed and it's clones can be chalked up to the health and sexual maturity of the specific specimen. Either way I would waste a ton of time if I grew seeds out just to clone them. My seeds make great flower IMO and IME so I don't bother.

 

[AlienAthena]

Agreed, I top my plants and clone the tops, the clone always looks better than the seed run and haven’t had any clones herm on me *knocks on wood*

 

[Mrsmokestacks]

Yes. IME if you take clones from the upper part of the plant that are showing alternating nodes and female preflowers these issues are alleviated.

This is how I've done things in the past to minimize wasted resources/footprint on pheno hunts.

I take a couple cuttings, throw the best structured one in flower. I keep the other in a 6x6 or beer cup for about 3 weeks - keep these plants happy! Then take 2 more cuts, keep the best looking one and by the time it hits ~3 weeks again you should be able to tell if its likely you'll be trying a second run. Take cuts off of any potential keepers.

I have no quips with this method. I used to do it like this. It's just too involved and unnecessary for me and my hunts. I can hunt far more seeds my current way and most often I grow my seeds well, flower when mature, and can identify any issues without wasting the time and resources to root hundreds of clones that I'm most likely going to kill. Nothing wrong with doing it that way though!