Poorly mixed soil, mistakes, and remediation: a cautionary tale

SNEAKYp

Well-Known Member
Hi all,

Over the past year or so I’ve been messing with a problematic soil which I blended and wanted to share what I’ve learned/done so far to rectify the mistakes.

My original blend consisted of:
8 cu ft (60 gallons) 1:1:1 Organic Municipal Compost, leaf mulch/mold, and lava rocks.
5.3 cups of lime
4 cups kelp meal
6 gallons of biochar

Mistake #1 - Liming before soil test
In all my eagerness, I decided to not wait for my soil test results. Following the directions of countless forum soil recipes, I applied lime when I blended the mix together.

To my shock, my original pre-lime soil test came back at 7.1. It was then I knew I was in deep shit. I resampled and waited with dread to receive my new test results.... which came back at 7.9 ph.

Mistake #2 - Adding too much Compost
All composts are unique and whatever my municipality does is extremely rich in nutrients. My initial test results gave me readings that put my salt levels sky high. Basically my soil was potent enough to be diluted x2-3 over and still have good nutrient levels.

Mistake # 3 - Rectifying PH with too much sulfur
So now that my PH was 7.8 and climbing, I had to take quick action. It was this knee jerk reaction to my PH which led me to applying 4 lbs of aluminum sulfate, and 6 lbs of elemental sulfur.

This did an AMAZING job at lowering my PH quickly to 7 and eventually a 6.5. However it came at a cost with my soil mix at 1300 ppm S. This sucked bc now my EC was even higher, approaching 7 mS/cm.


Mistake #4 Flushing too Rapidly
5 gallons at a time caused my 10 gallon fabric pots to clog and the last gallon of water didn’t drain. This caused a huge headache where I had to empty my pots and then wash them free of any debris in clean water. I cannot recommend enough a watering can to slowly saturate the media.


Remediation by Flush
For reference I’ll include two snapshots from before and after my flush. A flush was the only way I could remediate my soil mix which as you can see below was incredibly salty.
Soilless Media Test # 1 Breakdown.png

Online sources were saying to flush with 2x volume of the soil. I decided that this was no time for half steps and flushed the media with 4x it’s volume.
Here’s the post-flush test:
Soilless Media Test # 1 Breakdown.png

Now that my levels are back down from the moon, I’ve added .5 gallon of compost, .5 cup of blood meal, and .3 cup of kelp meal to each 10 gallon pot. I’ll retest and share results when its done

Hope this can help someone who is dealing with a poorly mixed soil!

Testing Pro-Tip
Always use the SOILLESS MEDIA test at your local lab for your mix. The Mehlich-3 reactions work great for topsoil, but are dismal at our mixes due to the strong acid they use to extract nutrients with.
 
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loco41

Well-Known Member
I actually just mixed up a bit of some new soil using some local compost today, probably similar to your municipal stuff. It was only $4 a bag and "omri" listed (whatever that's worth) so figured I'd give it a try for a few veggie plants in the yard this year. Luckily, I didn't bring any liming agents with me to mix in or I probably would have added some oyster shell. Kind of curious to see how things play out with this really basic mix using this compost.

I never really "measure" things too exact, but ended up with something like a 1:1:1 ratio of peat/rice hulls/compost in what I believe were roughly 20 gallon batches at a time. To each batch, I added 2 solo cups of basalt - 1 solo cup of st george black rock dust - 1 solo cup of a kelp/alfalfa meal mix. Filled five 15 gallon (I think they are 15's) containers and will throw some alfalfa/clover seeds in there soon to see if things are are track for some proper plants later in the spring.

Hi all,

Over the past year or so I’ve been messing with a problematic soil which I blended and wanted to share what I’ve learned/done so far to rectify the mistakes.

My original blend consisted of:
8 cu ft (60 gallons) 1:1:1 Organic Municipal Compost, leaf mulch/mold, and lava rocks.
5.3 cups of lime
4 cups kelp meal
6 gallons of biochar

Mistake #1 - Liming before soil test
In all my eagerness, I decided to not wait for my soil test results. Following the directions of countless forum soil recipes, I applied lime when I blended the mix together.

To my shock, my original pre-lime soil test came back at 7.1. It was then I knew I was in deep shit. I resampled and waited with dread to receive my new test results.... which came back at 7.9 ph.

Mistake #2 - Adding too much Compost
All composts are unique and whatever my municipality does is extremely rich in nutrients. My initial test results gave me readings that put my salt levels sky high. Basically my soil was potent enough to be diluted x2-3 over and still have good nutrient levels.

Mistake # 3 - Rectifying PH with too much sulfur
So now that my PH was 7.8 and climbing, I had to take quick action. It was this knee jerk reaction to my PH which led me to applying 4 lbs of aluminum sulfate, and 6 lbs of elemental sulfur.

This did an AMAZING job at lowering my PH quickly to 7 and eventually a 6.5. However it came at a cost with my soil mix at 1300 ppm S. This sucked bc now my EC was even higher, approaching 7 mS/cm.


Mistake #4 Flushing too Rapidly
5 gallons at a time caused my 10 gallon fabric pots to clog and the last gallon of water didn’t drain. This caused a huge headache where I had to empty my pots and then wash them free of any debris in clean water. I cannot recommend enough a watering can to slowly saturate the media.


Remediation by Flush
For reference I’ll include two snapshots from before and after my flush. A flush was the only way I could remediate my soil mix which as you can see below was incredibly salty.
View attachment 4842806

Online sources were saying to flush with 2x volume of the soil. I decided that this was no time for half steps and flushed the media with 4x it’s volume.
Here’s the post-flush test:
View attachment 4842807

Now that my levels are back down from the moon, I’ve added .5 gallon of compost, .5 cup of blood meal, and .3 cup of kelp meal to each 10 gallon pot. I’ll retest and share results when its done

Hope this can help someone who is dealing with a poorly mixed soil!

Testing Pro-Tip
Always use the SOILLESS MEDIA test at your local lab for your mix. The Mehlich-3 reactions work great for topsoil, but are dismal at our mixes due to the strong acid they use to extract nutrients with.
Thanks for sharing your journey so far and look forward to seeing what your new tests show, not that I really know anything about the specifics of a test, but be nice to see how it all unfolded. Good luck with everything moving forward.
 

SNEAKYp

Well-Known Member
As a newb to organic I feel your pain.Municipal Compost eek!Im in a big city so Ill stay away thanks for the tip.
My municipal compost is actually awesome, it’s just a bit more potent than expected. It’s even OMRI listed.

Just use less to start, bc you can always add more.

I actually just mixed up a bit of some new soil using some local compost today, probably similar to your municipal stuff. It was only $4 a bag and "omri" listed (whatever that's worth) so figured I'd give it a try for a few veggie plants in the yard this year. Luckily, I didn't bring any liming agents with me to mix in or I probably would have added some oyster shell. Kind of curious to see how things play out with this really basic mix using this compost.

I never really "measure" things too exact, but ended up with something like a 1:1:1 ratio of peat/rice hulls/compost in what I believe were roughly 20 gallon batches at a time. To each batch, I added 2 solo cups of basalt - 1 solo cup of st george black rock dust - 1 solo cup of a kelp/alfalfa meal mix. Filled five 15 gallon (I think they are 15's) containers and will throw some alfalfa/clover seeds in there soon to see if things are are track for some proper plants later in the spring.



Thanks for sharing your journey so far and look forward to seeing what your new tests show, not that I really know anything about the specifics of a test, but be nice to see how it all unfolded. Good luck with everything moving forward.
Lucky you on the liming! Mine is also OMRI listed as well, I just wish I had waited for that first test to get back. Happy to share my troubles and attempts to make some good soil. Good luck with your experiment, I hope it works out bc $4 bags of compost ain’t half bad.
 

ebcrew

Well-Known Member
Going through my own organic headache also. Its hard to get it right. One day it will happen.

Im to cheap to get a soil sample of my organic mix lol.
 

SNEAKYp

Well-Known Member
Going through my own organic headache also. Its hard to get it right. One day it will happen.

Im to cheap to get a soil sample of my organic mix lol.
Not sure where you are located, but if in the US then you can likely use your agricultural extension of whatever state you are living in. Most are discounted if not free for parts of the year for soil and soilless mix tests. Mine fortunately offers a wide range of tests including the soilless media analysis. Yours may just include Mehlich-3, which is better than nothing for sure.

My tests cost $5 each. So affordable I can’t help, but do it.
 

loco41

Well-Known Member
My municipal compost is actually awesome, it’s just a bit more potent than expected. It’s even OMRI listed.

Just use less to start, bc you can always add more.



Lucky you on the liming! Mine is also OMRI listed as well, I just wish I had waited for that first test to get back. Happy to share my troubles and attempts to make some good soil. Good luck with your experiment, I hope it works out bc $4 bags of compost ain’t half bad.
I'm hoping it works out nicely too. It would be a huge jump start for some outdoor beds that have gone neglected for far too long. One day I'll step my composting game up myself, but for now am just unable to produce enough to get some life back into the old beds how I would like to do. It's nice to kind of test things out a bit before I look into purchasing some cubic yard's down the road possibly.
 

SNEAKYp

Well-Known Member
I'm hoping it works out nicely too. It would be a huge jump start for some outdoor beds that have gone neglected for far too long. One day I'll step my composting game up myself, but for now am just unable to produce enough to get some life back into the old beds how I would like to do. It's nice to kind of test things out a bit before I look into purchasing some cubic yard's down the road possibly.
No doubt that testing a new product small scale first is the move. If I had the space I would have already rented a truck and made a couple trips. I don’t think my living arrangements would accommodate any more dirt!
 

living gardening

Well-Known Member
Hi all,

Over the past year or so I’ve been messing with a problematic soil which I blended and wanted to share what I’ve learned/done so far to rectify the mistakes.

My original blend consisted of:
8 cu ft (60 gallons) 1:1:1 Organic Municipal Compost, leaf mulch/mold, and lava rocks.
5.3 cups of lime
4 cups kelp meal
6 gallons of biochar

Mistake #1 - Liming before soil test
In all my eagerness, I decided to not wait for my soil test results. Following the directions of countless forum soil recipes, I applied lime when I blended the mix together.

To my shock, my original pre-lime soil test came back at 7.1. It was then I knew I was in deep shit. I resampled and waited with dread to receive my new test results.... which came back at 7.9 ph.

Mistake #2 - Adding too much Compost
All composts are unique and whatever my municipality does is extremely rich in nutrients. My initial test results gave me readings that put my salt levels sky high. Basically my soil was potent enough to be diluted x2-3 over and still have good nutrient levels.

Mistake # 3 - Rectifying PH with too much sulfur
So now that my PH was 7.8 and climbing, I had to take quick action. It was this knee jerk reaction to my PH which led me to applying 4 lbs of aluminum sulfate, and 6 lbs of elemental sulfur.

This did an AMAZING job at lowering my PH quickly to 7 and eventually a 6.5. However it came at a cost with my soil mix at 1300 ppm S. This sucked bc now my EC was even higher, approaching 7 mS/cm.


Mistake #4 Flushing too Rapidly
5 gallons at a time caused my 10 gallon fabric pots to clog and the last gallon of water didn’t drain. This caused a huge headache where I had to empty my pots and then wash them free of any debris in clean water. I cannot recommend enough a watering can to slowly saturate the media.


Remediation by Flush
For reference I’ll include two snapshots from before and after my flush. A flush was the only way I could remediate my soil mix which as you can see below was incredibly salty.
View attachment 4842806

Online sources were saying to flush with 2x volume of the soil. I decided that this was no time for half steps and flushed the media with 4x it’s volume.
Here’s the post-flush test:
View attachment 4842807

Now that my levels are back down from the moon, I’ve added .5 gallon of compost, .5 cup of blood meal, and .3 cup of kelp meal to each 10 gallon pot. I’ll retest and share results when its done

Hope this can help someone who is dealing with a poorly mixed soil!

Testing Pro-Tip
Always use the SOILLESS MEDIA test at your local lab for your mix. The Mehlich-3 reactions work great for topsoil, but are dismal at our mixes due to the strong acid they use to extract nutrients with.
sounds like a soil-less mix with that much biochar . . . I thought the microbiology will inhabit the biochar and not the soil sub-straight and as you won't have soil structure due to no soil, you will have problems with nute supply to the plant . .
 

SNEAKYp

Well-Known Member
sounds like a soil-less mix with that much biochar . . . I thought the microbiology will inhabit the biochar and not the soil sub-straight and as you won't have soil structure due to no soil, you will have problems with nute supply to the plant . .
You are correct, it is a soil-less mix by definition. I haven’t read anything about biochar being a detriment to soil substrate biology, would love a source if you have one.

Edit:
Seems that in the short term (<100 years) usages of biochar increase microbial abundance and efficiency in the soil.
Long term the effects are more muted, but I don’t plan on having my mix for 100 years lol.

Source 1 - short term
Source 2 - short term
Source 3 - long term
 
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living gardening

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I was watching living soil conv. on FCP u-teub. Leighton Morrison was commenting that if over 6% total mass the microbiology will choose to inhabit the biochar over the soil because it's basically their ideal home. But you don't receive any nutrient cycling or have any life above a certain trophic level. So in short, it's too perfect for micro life and not too perfect for the rest of the party . .
 

SNEAKYp

Well-Known Member
After adding .5 cup of blood meal, .33 cup of kelp meal, and half a gallon of compost per 10 gallons I let it sit for a week. I’ve retested the soil and received the results.

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Looks like I’m getting salt from the Kelp meal or the compost, and my phosphorus is way too low still. I flushed with one volume of water to get that salt down before I amended with anything else. Aluminum and Boron also creeped up, so I’ll keep an eye on those.

I’ve picked up some 1-25-0 bone meal and applied 2 Tablespoons per 15 gallons, I’ve also add a small amount of blood meal to replace any that might have washed out in the last flush I did.

Plants have been transplanted, so I won’t be retesting again until the final two weeks of flowering. I’ll update when that happens.
 
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