how has cancel culture ruined your life
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Fogdog
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lol at the "slavery" idea.
In two years the minimum earner in the NFL makes as much as median wage earners earn in a lifetime.
tangerinegreen555
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You run over guys bigger than you long enough, you need a walker and a lot of pills.
He was once indestructible. For about 9 years.
Fogdog
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I think I get what you were trying to say. It's just that pro sports is not exactly the model upon which most of us live by. They aren't slaves and they have little in common with wage earners. Regardless what chiselheads like Rob Roy tout, we aren't slaves either. That term describes something beyond anything common to today's US society.
I feel your use of that word, slavery, to describe today's working conditions is insulting to the people whose families came from that inhumane system .
Fogdog
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Jim Crow involved government-imposed restrictions on the freedom of black people to associate and move freely about. It wasn't freedom and it wasn't slavery in the tradition of the antebellum plantation system of the old south. It was permanent bottom-class status for black people that maintained the old plantation economy without slave quarters. Jim Crow laws would not have been possible without the rest of the country deeply infected with racism and bias against non-white US citizens. Oregon went so far as to proclaim in its constitution that black people could not settle there.
I can't help but call bullshit about wages being the same as bribery either. I sell my time and attention for money. These are mine and I can take them back if I so choose, and I have done so to the disappointment of the company that I fired when I decided we weren't going to get along any longer.
I also can't help but object to the false comparison of working for wages to slavery. Saying such is a political propaganda play and disingenuous. For that reason, it is offensive to me. I don't like being lied to.
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Sir Napsalot
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If anyone were to ruin my life, it would probably be me
which is as it should be
which is as it should be
hanimmal
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I dont agree about NFL being slavery because they actually have to pay people to destroy themselves for the landowners to get rich.
If you said college sports, then I would agree. Sure kids can quit (so not exactly slavery), but then they lose their home, meals, and almost always the ability to do the one thing they had been training their entire lives to get to that level.
Not paying these 'student' athletes while they put their bodies on the line for the landowners to get paid, and most never making a dime off their several hours of work a day everyday for years, and the lifelong damage that gets done to so many of them is just wrong.
dandyrandy
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US diplomats in China claim they were forced to take anal swab tests
Washington complained the procedure was 'undignified' and told staff to decline the test if asked to take one.
Fogdog
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What you said WAS untrue. You compared generational race based chattel slavery to professional football and got called out for your rhetoric. The Majority of players in the NFL are Black people. You just said they were slaves as if it were meaningless rhetoric. You: "I'm so misunderstood, I'd never have said it if I thought it were untrue, I'll just stop talking about it now, you bully".
We can agree where we agree and disagree where we do not. This has nothing to do with friendship. An honest relationship is better.
Bagginski
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You’re not telling me I’m wrong, you’re calling me a liar.
That’s not “disagreement”.
You also mischaracterized what I said: I was talking about a well-established history of white business in the US perpetuating the advantages (for them) of slavery in a plausibly deniable, “not legally slavery” box, which is what they’ve been doing since the end of the rebellion...something you didn’t even look at, you went straight to “nuh-uh, they’re PAID!” Fine. DON’T look at it - but you clearly think I don’t know there are so many black athletes; too bad I grew up in the racist south during segregation, lynchings, and well after; too bad I’ve been exposed to so many years of poll taxes, “literacy tests”. Too bad you have no clue how precarious the “success” of successful blacks can be when up against a white power structure that uses that “success” to keep the screws tight and maintain control over the continued earning power of those athletes, and by extension, over the athletes themselves.
I get it: you don’t see it, and you aren’t looking; you don’t agree, cause “MONEY!!!”; and you launch an attack on me for putting it out there. Like I said, I MAY be wrong about seeing it that way - I don’t think I am, but I may in fact be, I ain’t perfect - but YOU made up the part about me whining I was being misunderstood, and you used that to increase the leverage of your attack...and you sure as shit haven’t convinced me that I AM wrong. You’ve convinced me you haven’t actually thought about what I said at all...but you’ve decided it’s cool to come at me about it - pretty personally, too - twice now. Because your knee-jerk reaction is, I’m a liar.
You might be surprised to know that, by the terms of the Barbados slave code (which was the template for laws governing slaves and masters through the US slave belt), slaves WERE paid. Virtually nothing according to the standards of modern white folks, but as one of the famous slave advocates said,’no black man has any rights a white man is bound to respect’, and the slavers, who owned the laws and the communities, preened at their ’even-handed charity’ toward their property. Their righteousness was like unto your own: they’d paid their livestock by ‘taking care of them’, so no harm, no foul.
The bogus arguments against a living minimum wage are right out of the same spittoon: guess you didn’t learn at your daddy’s knee that “they’re SERVANTS, we shouldn’t have to pay them AT ALL”...and you didn’t grow up listening to the old white racist assholes freely letting everyone in earshot know EXACTLY how they felt about blacks, slavery, civil rights, the whole nine yards. Yes, I’m saying that opposition to an adequate minimum wage is rooted in white determination to get their property back, and a minimum wage adequate to the expenses of life works against that goal...and that EVERY argument I’ve heard against it is the plausible deniability they’ve always hidden behind. They do it with street executions of black men and women, they do it with general over-policing of black communities, it’s why the school-to-prison pipeline even EXISTS. They’re doing it now (look out, context switch!) with their no-longer-plausible claims of patriotic intent in assaulting the Capitol...which is much more about recovering their escaped-slave property than it is about anything else, including “socialism”: they’re doing it now with efforts in the states to make voting HARDER, now, today, in the wake of the GOP drubbing in November.
The country they want back is the CONFEDERATE States of America. And if you don’t know it, maybe I should apologize for assuming you’d been paying attention.
My entire point, initially, was that professional sports leagues are built and operated along the same economic lines as the plantations, with the same goals, and methods quite similar to the bad old days. It’s cool and all to say slavery ended with the 13th amendment, but really, it just mutated to forms that remained technically within the letter of the law but intentionally violated the spirit of those laws. Just for good plausible deniability, prisoners today are subject to slave labor with the blessing of the 13th amendment (penal servitude exception, inserted by pro-slavery politicians of the day)...which is why the corporate prison industry is such a popular investment with “conservative” politicians. They’re still selling the labor of prisoners - just not to the chain gangs like in the old days; they’re paying the prisoners what, a dollar an hour? Not like the dollar a day or per week like in the old days...guess you’d say that makes it ALL completely different...but under the covers, it’s much the same game - as much the same game as they can get away with...just like in the old days. The size of the pay does little to change the power dynamic. Just ask Colin Kaepernick.
Comparing the economic structures & motivations of the institutions of slavery with the economic structures built to preserve the benefits of slavery - for those who benefited from slavery - after the end of actual bondage, is a valid consideration IMO and a legitimate use of intelligence. Claiming that doing so is “calling pro athletes slaves”, is a misrepresentation AT BEST - and a deliberate lie at worst...but go ahead: call me a liar again. That’ll be fun....
That’s not “disagreement”.
You also mischaracterized what I said: I was talking about a well-established history of white business in the US perpetuating the advantages (for them) of slavery in a plausibly deniable, “not legally slavery” box, which is what they’ve been doing since the end of the rebellion...something you didn’t even look at, you went straight to “nuh-uh, they’re PAID!” Fine. DON’T look at it - but you clearly think I don’t know there are so many black athletes; too bad I grew up in the racist south during segregation, lynchings, and well after; too bad I’ve been exposed to so many years of poll taxes, “literacy tests”. Too bad you have no clue how precarious the “success” of successful blacks can be when up against a white power structure that uses that “success” to keep the screws tight and maintain control over the continued earning power of those athletes, and by extension, over the athletes themselves.
I get it: you don’t see it, and you aren’t looking; you don’t agree, cause “MONEY!!!”; and you launch an attack on me for putting it out there. Like I said, I MAY be wrong about seeing it that way - I don’t think I am, but I may in fact be, I ain’t perfect - but YOU made up the part about me whining I was being misunderstood, and you used that to increase the leverage of your attack...and you sure as shit haven’t convinced me that I AM wrong. You’ve convinced me you haven’t actually thought about what I said at all...but you’ve decided it’s cool to come at me about it - pretty personally, too - twice now. Because your knee-jerk reaction is, I’m a liar.
You might be surprised to know that, by the terms of the Barbados slave code (which was the template for laws governing slaves and masters through the US slave belt), slaves WERE paid. Virtually nothing according to the standards of modern white folks, but as one of the famous slave advocates said,’no black man has any rights a white man is bound to respect’, and the slavers, who owned the laws and the communities, preened at their ’even-handed charity’ toward their property. Their righteousness was like unto your own: they’d paid their livestock by ‘taking care of them’, so no harm, no foul.
The bogus arguments against a living minimum wage are right out of the same spittoon: guess you didn’t learn at your daddy’s knee that “they’re SERVANTS, we shouldn’t have to pay them AT ALL”...and you didn’t grow up listening to the old white racist assholes freely letting everyone in earshot know EXACTLY how they felt about blacks, slavery, civil rights, the whole nine yards. Yes, I’m saying that opposition to an adequate minimum wage is rooted in white determination to get their property back, and a minimum wage adequate to the expenses of life works against that goal...and that EVERY argument I’ve heard against it is the plausible deniability they’ve always hidden behind. They do it with street executions of black men and women, they do it with general over-policing of black communities, it’s why the school-to-prison pipeline even EXISTS. They’re doing it now (look out, context switch!) with their no-longer-plausible claims of patriotic intent in assaulting the Capitol...which is much more about recovering their escaped-slave property than it is about anything else, including “socialism”: they’re doing it now with efforts in the states to make voting HARDER, now, today, in the wake of the GOP drubbing in November.
The country they want back is the CONFEDERATE States of America. And if you don’t know it, maybe I should apologize for assuming you’d been paying attention.
My entire point, initially, was that professional sports leagues are built and operated along the same economic lines as the plantations, with the same goals, and methods quite similar to the bad old days. It’s cool and all to say slavery ended with the 13th amendment, but really, it just mutated to forms that remained technically within the letter of the law but intentionally violated the spirit of those laws. Just for good plausible deniability, prisoners today are subject to slave labor with the blessing of the 13th amendment (penal servitude exception, inserted by pro-slavery politicians of the day)...which is why the corporate prison industry is such a popular investment with “conservative” politicians. They’re still selling the labor of prisoners - just not to the chain gangs like in the old days; they’re paying the prisoners what, a dollar an hour? Not like the dollar a day or per week like in the old days...guess you’d say that makes it ALL completely different...but under the covers, it’s much the same game - as much the same game as they can get away with...just like in the old days. The size of the pay does little to change the power dynamic. Just ask Colin Kaepernick.
Comparing the economic structures & motivations of the institutions of slavery with the economic structures built to preserve the benefits of slavery - for those who benefited from slavery - after the end of actual bondage, is a valid consideration IMO and a legitimate use of intelligence. Claiming that doing so is “calling pro athletes slaves”, is a misrepresentation AT BEST - and a deliberate lie at worst...but go ahead: call me a liar again. That’ll be fun....
V256.420
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woah
CunningCanuk
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Your NFL / slavery analogy would carry more weight if players were stripped from all contact with their families when traded.
Fogdog
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nobody called you a liar, what I called you was probably more of a racist than a liar.