Just switched to Jack's 5-12-26 with great results

[bernie344]

Let me just tell you how fantastic the change has been. I've been harvesting for 2 weeks now. My back hurts. My wife and I are cranky. Since switching to jack's amidst this incredibly busy, chaotic, and stressful period of time my job of maintaining my plants in the nurseries has been made considerably easier now that I can hold a 32 gallon reservoir for 7 days without a problem. The PH stays stable for all 7 days at 5.8 and requires no further adjustment. With general hydroponic's maxi series I was unable to hold a reservoir at all. That means while harvesting I had to weigh and mix 3 separate dry fertilizers and then adjust the PH every single day. That doesn't seem like a big deal. Let me assure you - it is. It takes time and energy. 2 things no gardener has an abundance of during harvest time. With maxi I was having to dump, clean, refill, weigh more fertilizer, then PH adjust again every 2 days. It was pure insanity not to mention a considerable waste of time and energy. Those terrible days are over! Jack's is stable. My veg plants have never looked healthier. And the tasks of maintaining the garden have become much easier not to mention the reduced stress level. I will never switch to another brand. Jack's is professional grade fertilizer and that's exactly how it performs. Stable, soluble, affordable, and reliable. I'll post pics of my nursery plants later after being on jack's for about 2 weeks. The growth is lush and green. I can't wait to show y'all

Salesman of the month

 

[jonnynobody]

Salesman of the month

What can I say? Stable reservoirs get my dick hard. Yours too?

 

[70's natureboy]

I never had any luck with Maxibloom but I do love Floranova. It keeps my ph stable. I should try Jack's sometime. Your plants look fantastic.

 

[Gemtree]

Do you use the calnit or epsom?

 

[KonopCh]

DTW coco/perlite. Using rain water 0.01 EC with tap water 0.6 EC, using Maxibloom and Maxigro, and Silica, never checked pH. Healthy plants from start to finish. So IDK why you blaming Maxi all the time.

 

[jonnynobody]

DTW coco/perlite. Using rain water 0.01 EC with tap water 0.6 EC, using Maxibloom and Maxigro, and Silica, never checked pH. Healthy plants from start to finish. So IDK why you blaming Maxi all the time.

Because it's a piece of shit overpriced fertilizer that does nothing but produce fallout when attempting to hold a reservoir. Check your water. I assure you it's cloudy with particulate after 24 hours. You're just choosing to ignore it. Glad I can get you up to speed big guy.

 

[rkymtnman]

Because it's a piece of shit overpriced fertilizer that does nothing but produce fallout when attempting to hold a reservoir. Check your water. I assure you it's cloudy with particulate after 24 hours. You're just choosing to ignore it. Glad I can get you up to speed big guy.

nope, sorry dude, but that's a "you" problem. maxi works fine. operator error for sure.

 

[jonnynobody]

nope, sorry dude, but that's a "you" problem. maxi works fine. operator error for sure.

Hold a reservoir for 48 hours. I assure you. It will go cloudy. It's been replicated in 3 separate grows with caregivers I personally work with in the last 30 days using RO water. One guy was growing DWC and it trashed all of his roots so badly he tossed them all out and is starting over. The product fed the plants. I'm not arguing that. The elements are there. The product is unstable and will not stay in solution in a reservoir without producing cloudy particulate within 48 hours. Jack's is $2.24/lb, stays in solution for 7 days without issue, and is PH stable for all 7 of those days. GH maxi series is $80 for 16# with sales tax. That's $5/lb or 100% more cost per lb than Jack's 5-12-26 for an unstable and clearly overpriced fertilizer. Y'all can polish a turd all you want. It's still a turd. An overpriced turd too. The bottom line is it is a poorly performing product, it is vastly overpriced, and a better product is available for half the price. Word to your mother homie

 

[rkymtnman]

Hold a reservoir for 48 hours. I assure you. It will go cloudy

sorry but i used maxi for years. my res was clear enough to see the bottom with 20 gallons in it.

operator error.

 

[jonnynobody]

Do you use the calnit or epsom?

You have to use calcium nitrate and epsom salt when you're using Jack's 5-12-26. It's a 3 component system. Jack's, calcium nitrate, and epsom salt.

 

[rkymtnman]

i could leave town for 2 weeks and not have any issues with pH or cloudiness.

sorry, but it's you, not it.

 

[jonnynobody]

sorry but i used maxi for years. my res was clear enough to see the bottom with 20 gallons in it.

operator error.

You're arguing operator error with no basis for that? Sounds like you've got it all figured out. Judging by your use of the word "was" I assume you're no longer using maxi. Formulas and quality control can change from one production run to the next. How long ago did you use maxi? If it isn't recently then your argument isn't based on stock presently in circulation. The stock presently in circulation is causing fallout issues. Whether it's a quality control issue or a formulation issue I don't care. I just want my reservoir to hold stable. Jack's does. Maxi presently does not. If you were actually using the product now with what is presently in circulation I would give weight to your claims, however your previous response makes it clear you are not. I began using maxi 2 years ago without issue for about a year. Something changed and I have experienced nothing but problems since.

 

[jonnynobody]

At one point a batch of maxi grow was contaminated with something that caused black mold to grow in a clear 20 gallon laundry tub I bought to use as a reservoir. The same issue repeated several times. I could literally see the black mold growing on the bottom and sides of the res. I replaced the 2.2# bag of maxi grow with a 16# container and the issue stopped. That's an indication they have signficant quality control issues in their production facilities.

 

[rkymtnman]

i used it 4 weeks ago when i started some seedlings. so clear in the res i could see the if a nickel was heads or tails.

no need to bash a product that millions of growers use without issues.

 

[jonnynobody]

i used it 4 weeks ago when i started some seedlings. so clear in the res i could see the if a nickel was heads or tails.

no need to bash a product that millions of growers use without issues.

How old is your stock? Is it from stock presently in circulation? An overpriced product that causes fallout is not a good product. Jack's is half the price. Why are you putting GH up on a pedestal when they just fleece their customers like all of the other cannabis specific dirt bag nutrient companies out there not to mention their quality control issues? I'm a bit perplexed here.

 

[jonnynobody]

My apologies. I was a little hangry as we had our back and forth. Lots of caffeine and no dam lunch. Always a recipe for chaos. Something is amiss in their production facilities, and it's causing inconsistency in their product. Prior to this experience I had no issues with maxi and highly recommended it to every other grower I encountered. However, when quality control issues began to surface that caused me an immense amount of additional labor to dump, clean, and refill reservoirs due to fallout I had to find a replacement. I omitted the potassium silicate. I stopped adding PH up altogether in the main res. I added it in another smaller container, so no potassium hydroxide ever touched the main res. Even with that maxi still formed particulate in 48 hours. By 72 hours there was so much floating in the water it couldn't be ignored. When I mix my fertilizer I simply want it to do what it's advertised to do, especially when I'm paying 100% more than I would if I opted for their competitor's product (jack's). The fact that they are having this significant of a quality control issue with their product even while charging 100% more for their product than their competitor (jack's) is jarring and infuriating. That tells me they're pocketing vast sums of profits while not reinvesting in the production facilities to ensure quality product is being produced, packaged, and shipped. Again, I apologize for my polly-pissy-pants derogatory demeanor. I turn into a complete prick when I'm hungry. However, my argument and point is valid

 

[rkymtnman]

my closing argument is the same as yours to this guy:

calvin.m16 said:
I think MaxiBloom is crap and this entire inquiry was a waste of time.

I've never had a problem with it. Operator error on your end is the likely culprit.

that being said, i think Jack's RO or Tap formula is giving me better results than Maxi. many say that 3-1-4 is too much N in bloom but my last 2 grows have shown differently. they stay nice and green til chop.

 

[jonnynobody]

my closing argument is the same as yours to this guy:


I've never had a problem with it. Operator error on your end is the likely culprit.

that being said, i think Jack's RO or Tap formula is giving me better results than Maxi. many say that 3-1-4 is too much N in bloom but my last 2 grows have shown differently. they stay nice and green til chop.

I'm uncertain of how operator error comes into play with mixing powdered fertilizer with hot water and adding to 32 gallons of 0 ppm reverse osmosis water with air stones. If you care to be more specific I welcome the debate. You still haven't mentioned if you are using old stock or currently circulating stock of maxi. I notice with jack's 5-12-26 they stay green up until harvest. I don't think you can go wrong with any of their products. I can hold a res of 5-12-26 for 7 days without issue. The PH doesn't even move. That's a quality stable fertilizer. I never had any issues holding the GH flora series in a reservoir either. Good stuff.

 

[Rurumo]

I would just throw into the mix that Maxibloom has no detectable levels of arsenic and cadmium, while Jack's does. Sourcing is one thing GH does right. I've been looking for a cost effective nutrient to use for my upgraded grow and looked into both of these formulas/companies. JR Peters, the Jack's company, says right on the front page of their website that their products are heavy metal free, which is a complete lie-that really rubbed me the wrong way, so I'm going with Maxibloom. Look up Jack's products here if you're curious, they're listed under JR Peters https://apps1.cdfa.ca.gov/fertilizerproducts/

 

[rkymtnman]

I'm uncertain of how operator error comes into play with mixing powdered fertilizer with hot water and adding to 32 gallons of 0 ppm reverse osmosis water with air stones

you had this issue with no additives? all i can say is there are probably hundreds here at RIU that use Maxi and you are the only one with the issue (as far as i know) . like i said, maxi, 20 gallons well water and a small waterfall and it was 100% clear. once pH was set, it stayed in range for 14 days if needed.