Tim Fox
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I am too a place where I will only grow in a sip indoors, it just suits me , I find it crazy easy to grow in
SIP thread -- (Sub-Irrigated Planter)
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raggyb
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clone babies look all rock-a-bye lullaby in their cozy crib. $30 e@ seems like a fair deal.
GrownAtHighAltitude
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New SIF room setup. 2 x 315 LEC CMH, 1 x 400 CMH retrofit. 4 Earthboxes w/auto watering valves so far, going to run the rest in smart pots with a Hydrolock setup.
2x OG Tahoe
3x original Alien Kush F2
2x Shoreline OG (original cut)
2x Sour Diesel (Shoreline OG)
2x BOG's Bogglegum
1x BOG's Sour Blutooth
2x OG Tahoe
3x original Alien Kush F2
2x Shoreline OG (original cut)
2x Sour Diesel (Shoreline OG)
2x BOG's Bogglegum
1x BOG's Sour Blutooth
natureboygrower
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Ive only run 2 per EB but wanted to run more but I'm not sure it's doable. Is this your first run with SIPS ? I'd start training those babies now, they're going to blow up. Looking great
GrownAtHighAltitude
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I did 2 per last time, and I've run 3 per before also. You're right on the training, I just transplanted 2 days ago and am about to bust out the bonsai wire and then maybe a trellis later, not sure yet. I always run wire trellis but they get in the way and I'm thinking I might not even need it. I'm only planning on a short veg with these, then the room is hopefully going to be perpetual flower.
Thanks!
natureboygrower
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Nice! It'd be great to see your progress and techniques, Ive got 10 or so different strains in veg waiting to be sexed. Be killer to get 6 of them in (I only run 2 ebs) for some variety. I'll be looking out for your posts. Clean setup!
ilovereggae
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what up everyone im here to learn and get some feedback on a SIP idea I have for my next run. i am over hand watering and also want the benefits of self watering containers.
i am also going to be trying a rack grow this time. i grow pretty short plants anyway and have been hanging my fixtures about 44" from the floor of my space. i just got the 84" Covert 4x4 tent and going to setup an 18x48" NSF wire shelf in there. Top shelf will be a bit taller @ 44" and bottom one will be about 40". each shelf would have 2 of these on it, and then i would have 2 more in the tent for a total of 6.
with that in mind I was trying to think of how I could save a few inches by using a shorter wider pot. I saw @Tim Fox's Earthbox and I started thinking about a slight variation. what if i just used 2 bus tubs - a 5" one for my soil, and a 7" one for my res. that would give me @ 2.5 gallon res which seems to be plenty for me to be able to just top it off every 5-7 days.
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they also sell the 5" ones with holes predrilled for a few bucks more.
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is there any concern with using these things? do i need to be looking for food grade / BPA free or something?
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they do also have these other 'food pans' that would give me a little bigger of a res, but I like the bus tubs better bc they have built in handles (and are way cheaper). i figure the handles will make it easier to move them around when full, as well as let me peek into the res (and swap for a new one/clean them easily mid cycle).
either option I could also get the plastic lids, and was thinking to cut a hole in lid for plants and then cut them in half for easy removal. but that way I could have them covered similar to how the earthbox works.
i dont have time to read thru the whole thread right now, but I did search and didn't find any results with this exact setup. has anyone else tried something like this? i've seen where some of you do fabric pots on top of a rubbermaid tote, but again I dont need such a giant res, and am trying to shave a few inches off my current 9" tall pots.
anything else I should consider instead? i do like the earthboxes, but these would be @ 1/2 the price to build.
thanks!
i am also going to be trying a rack grow this time. i grow pretty short plants anyway and have been hanging my fixtures about 44" from the floor of my space. i just got the 84" Covert 4x4 tent and going to setup an 18x48" NSF wire shelf in there. Top shelf will be a bit taller @ 44" and bottom one will be about 40". each shelf would have 2 of these on it, and then i would have 2 more in the tent for a total of 6.
with that in mind I was trying to think of how I could save a few inches by using a shorter wider pot. I saw @Tim Fox's Earthbox and I started thinking about a slight variation. what if i just used 2 bus tubs - a 5" one for my soil, and a 7" one for my res. that would give me @ 2.5 gallon res which seems to be plenty for me to be able to just top it off every 5-7 days.
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Perfect for the everyday operations of any restaurant, this Choice mid-sized bus box is an effective and efficient way to transport goods from the table back to the kitchen. This versatile black bus tub measures 20" x 15" x 7" and boasts a durable plastic construction built to carry even the...
they also sell the 5" ones with holes predrilled for a few bucks more.
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is there any concern with using these things? do i need to be looking for food grade / BPA free or something?
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Add versatility to your kitchen with the help of this Vigor full size black polycarbonate food pan. Made of durable polycarbonate, this pan can be added to your refrigerated prep tables or serve as a loose storage bin on your wire shelving. It's a versatile addition to your kitchen because it...
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they do also have these other 'food pans' that would give me a little bigger of a res, but I like the bus tubs better bc they have built in handles (and are way cheaper). i figure the handles will make it easier to move them around when full, as well as let me peek into the res (and swap for a new one/clean them easily mid cycle).
either option I could also get the plastic lids, and was thinking to cut a hole in lid for plants and then cut them in half for easy removal. but that way I could have them covered similar to how the earthbox works.
i dont have time to read thru the whole thread right now, but I did search and didn't find any results with this exact setup. has anyone else tried something like this? i've seen where some of you do fabric pots on top of a rubbermaid tote, but again I dont need such a giant res, and am trying to shave a few inches off my current 9" tall pots.
anything else I should consider instead? i do like the earthboxes, but these would be @ 1/2 the price to build.
thanks!
Tim Fox
Well-Known Member
sips can for sure be shallow, and wide, the trick your going to have to figure out is how many wicks and how big to make the wicks,, from what i have seen,, make the wicks about half the size you think they should be,, many people have soaked their soil by over wicking , but yes,, you can use those tubs your showingwhat up everyone im here to learn and get some feedback on a SIP idea I have for my next run. i am over hand watering and also want the benefits of self watering containers.
i am also going to be trying a rack grow this time. i grow pretty short plants anyway and have been hanging my fixtures about 44" from the floor of my space. i just got the 84" Covert 4x4 tent and going to setup an 18x48" NSF wire shelf in there. Top shelf will be a bit taller @ 44" and bottom one will be about 40". each shelf would have 2 of these on it, and then i would have 2 more in the tent for a total of 6.
with that in mind I was trying to think of how I could save a few inches by using a shorter wider pot. I saw @Tim Fox's Earthbox and I started thinking about a slight variation. what if i just used 2 bus tubs - a 5" one for my soil, and a 7" one for my res. that would give me @ 2.5 gallon res which seems to be plenty for me to be able to just top it off every 5-7 days.
Choice 20" x 15" x 5" Black Polypropylene Plastic Bus Tub, Bus Box
Perfect for the everyday operations of any restaurant, this Choice black polypropylene plastic bus tub is an effective and efficient way to transport goods from the table back to the kitchen. This versatile black bus tub measures 20" x 15" x 5" and boasts durable plastic construction built to...Choice 20" x 15" x 7" Black Polypropylene Bus Tub, Bus Box
Perfect for the everyday operations of any restaurant, this Choice mid-sized bus box is an effective and efficient way to transport goods from the table back to the kitchen. This versatile black bus tub measures 20" x 15" x 7" and boasts a durable plastic construction built to carry even the...
they also sell the 5" ones with holes predrilled for a few bucks more.
Black 20" x 15" x 5" Polypropylene Perforated Bus Box
Drain liquids with ease with this 20" x 15" x 5" black polypropylene perforated drain box! Great for everyday operations at any eatery, this mid-sized drain box is perfect for draining excess water off of fish, poultry, fruits, and vegetables. Whether you're tossing freshly cleaned lettuce or...
is there any concern with using these things? do i need to be looking for food grade / BPA free or something?
Vigor Full Size Black Polycarbonate Food Pan - 4" Deep
Add versatility to your kitchen with the help of this Vigor full size black polycarbonate food pan. Made of durable polycarbonate, this pan can be added to your refrigerated prep tables or serve as a loose storage bin on your wire shelving. It's a versatile addition to your kitchen because it...Vigor Full Size Black Polycarbonate Food Pan - 8" Deep
Add versatility to your kitchen with the help of this Vigor full size black polycarbonate food pan. Made of durable polycarbonate, this pan can be added to your refrigerated prep tables or serve as a loose storage bin on your wire shelving. It's a versatile addition to your kitchen because it...
they do also have these other 'food pans' that would give me a little bigger of a res, but I like the bus tubs better bc they have built in handles (and are way cheaper). i figure the handles will make it easier to move them around when full, as well as let me peek into the res (and swap for a new one/clean them easily mid cycle).
either option I could also get the plastic lids, and was thinking to cut a hole in lid for plants and then cut them in half for easy removal. but that way I could have them covered similar to how the earthbox works.
i dont have time to read thru the whole thread right now, but I did search and didn't find any results with this exact setup. has anyone else tried something like this? i've seen where some of you do fabric pots on top of a rubbermaid tote, but again I dont need such a giant res, and am trying to shave a few inches off my current 9" tall pots.
anything else I should consider instead? i do like the earthboxes, but these would be @ 1/2 the price to build.
thanks!
Tim Fox
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ok thats RADICAL, am i seeing grow boxes,, sitting in trays, and the fill tubes have hoses, ,,, please tell me i am not stoned and you made a post about this earlier?,, amazing,, i like how you thought about over flow and possible flooding,, plants look way cool
ilovereggae
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im torn. i just saw the earthbox jr which is pretty close size wise to what i want anyway, and 6 of them would be just a few $ more than DIY. but i don't see on there any real wick area besides 2 little divots in the middle. would i need to use a netpot with those anyway? anybody on here using the earthbbox jr version? it says its half the size of the big one, so im guessing it holds about .75cu ft of soil and 2 gallons in the res?
i just finished reading from page 100 on, some cool designs in here for sure.
ilovereggae
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fuck it, stimulus check just hit the account. #YOLO
just ordered 7 of the Earthbox Jrs!
next question, do I need EM1 for the res if I am just doing straight water? @Tim Fox i know u said you don't use it on the Growbox, did you use airstone or any EM / Lacto stuff in your Earthbox? or if I understand your theory is that the airgap makes it irrelevant? or does that only apply to the Growbox due to its front port?
thank you to all the posters in this thread have learned a lot.
just ordered 7 of the Earthbox Jrs!
next question, do I need EM1 for the res if I am just doing straight water? @Tim Fox i know u said you don't use it on the Growbox, did you use airstone or any EM / Lacto stuff in your Earthbox? or if I understand your theory is that the airgap makes it irrelevant? or does that only apply to the Growbox due to its front port?
thank you to all the posters in this thread have learned a lot.
natureboygrower
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No net pot needed. When you fill your boxes, make sure the soil you put in the divots is really wet. If not, it will not wick up. I got lazy my last run and just left the old wicking soil in the divots. I had done this previously with still wet soil in there, but this last time I had forgotten that I stopped watering the last week. The system did not wick and I had to dig out the back to get the soil wet. Do not fill those boxes with soil until you're ready to plant.
I have the full size EB. 15 gallons of soil, 2.5 gallons of h2o.
I dont believe Tim uses airstones ( I think noise was an issue) I do. I didnt see huge changes, but I like how it keeps everything moving down in the rez.
I make my own soil up every run, everytime I've used Em1 in the rez, my plants complain. I think my soil is rich enough and the em1 just gives them too much at once. Probably would ne a great idea if youre reusing soil. I know a lot of people do.
Good luck
GrownAtHighAltitude
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Yes. I used regular "winter boot trays" from Amazon. They fit the earthbox footprint just fine. Earthbox has their own patented auto-fill valves that sense air pressure difference in the reservoir of each box. They allow water to fill until the pressure reaches a certain point and then the valves shut off. They are $45 each, so not cheap, but there is nothing else like it on the market. Still under patent protection. It's a novel type of pneumatic valve.
The only trick is each box has to be level or it won't work properly. Also, the valves have to be cleaned out every year or so to remove calcium (I'm on well water).
So far it works well. Still working the kinks out of the water delivery system upstream though. I want it all automated but have to turn the pump on and off each day currently.
Thanks!
GrownAtHighAltitude
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You can add EM-1 to your rez, no problem, or to each individual box too. You don't need airstones in each box. I run one airstone in my main rez just to keep the water moving. The SIP's actually introduce plenty of oxygen through the bottom of the planting medium (suspended above the water line).
Tim Fox
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i have never added any EM or anyhing to my res other than some cal mag in earlier grows,, but now i put enough in the soil i no longer need to,, but @Humanrob has added things to his res i believe to help , maybe he can chime in , I added air stones on my last grow, and i didnt see any changes, many people have added them,, but to me the one inch air gap provides plenty of oxygen to my root,s,,, i also didnt like the constant drone of the air pump,, so its all sitting in a bag in y garage now hahaha,,, but sure you can ad an airstone, certainly hasnt hurt anyones grow,
Tim Fox
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the Earth box also has the one inch air gap,, even though you fill it from the top
Humanrob
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My recollection about adding things like nutes to the res, is that if you do that you will need to ph your res water. If you leave it alone and just use plain water, you'll be fine.
As far as air stones go, the roots I got LOVED them, and would grow much more in the bubble stream than in the rest of the res. (I would imagine that somewhere in the first 30 pages or so of this thread, there are pictures of that.).
But that said, they are not necessary. One SIP manufacturer, Octopot, actually recommends against it. Read HERE. (lots of interesting info in their FAQ)
If you want to run much EM1 in your reservoir, double up on the dolomite lime. It will cause your soil to run on the low side on PH. EM1 has a very low ph value. Lime will help raise it back up closer to 6.5.
Been there, done that.