Freezeland?

Ok. Cool. Ive only been growing since legalization but I got from seed to harvest dialed in pretty good in my set up. and I’m working on cloning can practice cloning with the tops I take. They are harder to clone then a good bottom branch. Once I get a 5x5 I’ll be able to play more. As for messing with male or pollen, I feel I’m far from being there. It is be interested in learning.
I don't know what to do lol i sprouted 7 seeds a month ago, two superstars at growing, 2 medium-ish and the rest are going to be problems, one a mutant, and the others are slow. I don't think they will be worth the run, timing-wise getting the two ready, big and branched out. My options are run a half run/half plants/size , pre vegg my out door a long time or learn and try cloning and breeding. ( with or with out your strains.) I got my eye on this beauty but I basically don't have a penny lol quebec hydro has my wallet in winter with the electrical heating https://www.amazon.ca/EarlyGrow-93807-Propagator-Height-Extenders/dp/B07GRRDXSV/ref=sxin_9_ac_d_rm?ac_md=2-2-cHJvcGFnYXRpb24gZG9tZQ==-ac_d_rm&cv_ct_cx=humidity+dome&dchild=1&keywords=humidity+dome&pd_rd_i=B07GRRDXSV&pd_rd_r=de13db51-4a41-43f0-b6e3-8fff0047e0a7&pd_rd_w=yZaQ3&pd_rd_wg=iqVAT&pf_rd_p=27a6a972-31b7-4623-ac48-b593d8f89672&pf_rd_r=MJR5FVXJESVPY777A9DV&psc=1&qid=1609597639&sr=1-3-12d4272d-8adb-4121-8624-135149aa9081
 
I don't know what to do lol i sprouted 7 seeds a month ago, two superstars at growing, 2 medium-ish and the rest are going to be problems, one a mutant, and the others are slow. I don't think they will be worth the run, timing-wise getting the two ready, big and branched out. My options are run a half run/half plants/size , pre vegg my out door a long time or learn and try cloning and breeding. ( with or with out your strains.) I got my eye on this beauty but I basically don't have a penny lol quebec hydro has my wallet in winter with the electrical heating https://www.amazon.ca/EarlyGrow-93807-Propagator-Height-Extenders/dp/B07GRRDXSV/ref=sxin_9_ac_d_rm?ac_md=2-2-cHJvcGFnYXRpb24gZG9tZQ==-ac_d_rm&cv_ct_cx=humidity+dome&dchild=1&keywords=humidity+dome&pd_rd_i=B07GRRDXSV&pd_rd_r=de13db51-4a41-43f0-b6e3-8fff0047e0a7&pd_rd_w=yZaQ3&pd_rd_wg=iqVAT&pf_rd_p=27a6a972-31b7-4623-ac48-b593d8f89672&pf_rd_r=MJR5FVXJESVPY777A9DV&psc=1&qid=1609597639&sr=1-3-12d4272d-8adb-4121-8624-135149aa9081
Yeah I get you with the bills...
For cloning I was using rockwool cubes and jiffy pellets with little success then I tried coco coir and my success rate improved. I’m familiar with it so I think that helped. Then I realized I was giving them too much light. So I switched to a desk lamp on top of a clone dome. So my next try will be with Eazy Plugs. A compressed coco coir cube similar in size and shape to a rockwool cube.
 
I don't know what to do lol i sprouted 7 seeds a month ago, two superstars at growing, 2 medium-ish and the rest are going to be problems, one a mutant, and the others are slow. I don't think they will be worth the run, timing-wise getting the two ready, big and branched out. My options are run a half run/half plants/size , pre vegg my out door a long time or learn and try cloning and breeding. ( with or with out your strains.) I got my eye on this beauty but I basically don't have a penny lol quebec hydro has my wallet in winter with the electrical heating https://www.amazon.ca/EarlyGrow-93807-Propagator-Height-Extenders/dp/B07GRRDXSV/ref=sxin_9_ac_d_rm?ac_md=2-2-cHJvcGFnYXRpb24gZG9tZQ==-ac_d_rm&cv_ct_cx=humidity+dome&dchild=1&keywords=humidity+dome&pd_rd_i=B07GRRDXSV&pd_rd_r=de13db51-4a41-43f0-b6e3-8fff0047e0a7&pd_rd_w=yZaQ3&pd_rd_wg=iqVAT&pf_rd_p=27a6a972-31b7-4623-ac48-b593d8f89672&pf_rd_r=MJR5FVXJESVPY777A9DV&psc=1&qid=1609597639&sr=1-3-12d4272d-8adb-4121-8624-135149aa9081
From what I read/know it’s hard to tell just in veg how ur plant will turn out. Out of the 4 I grew over the summer the purple bud was so slow in veg but gave me the best (strongest) flower after harvest.3D9A59AA-AD49-4C9A-9E03-15A8EB4FD532.jpeg36677A62-A672-4098-9E74-601E611E3806.jpeg53452E03-AC33-48EA-93DB-5F9494A58FF8.jpegED8E8D35-6466-4C89-A4CC-1766CD889328.jpeg
 
Yeah I get you with the bills...
For cloning I was using rockwool cubes and jiffy pellets with little success then I tried coco coir and my success rate improved. I’m familiar with it so I think that helped. Then I realized I was giving them too much light. So I switched to a desk lamp on top of a clone dome. So my next try will be with Eazy Plugs. A compressed coco coir cube similar in size and shape to a rockwool cube.
same here light wise, I read barley light them but kept inching them closer. I think my t12 4 foot is even too bright. periodically I am checking the temp in my crawl space basement, cant put hot lights due to the humidity may cause rot in the joists but 8-30 feet of t12 may work nicely...that means I could have mom's and slow vergers just backlogged and waiting, if a plant in the flower room gives me too many problems I can just replace it, I will need foam boards for insulation couple shelf and tanning salons of lights. Could be my crop king seeds but there is always a percentage of bad genes, shows more when your poping 36. One of my front runner plants just hermed on me. many did a while back, did not realize my floor was so cold so i propped them up on insulation board, they all were cool since then, my first to bud fat n crystally was looking ruff, I found some bananas on it, said fuck it and just picked a strong bud and rubbed pollen on it, I will see what happens. May get fem seeds.
 
Yeah I get you with the bills...
For cloning I was using rockwool cubes and jiffy pellets with little success then I tried coco coir and my success rate improved. I’m familiar with it so I think that helped. Then I realized I was giving them too much light. So I switched to a desk lamp on top of a clone dome. So my next try will be with Eazy Plugs. A compressed coco coir cube similar in size and shape to a rockwool cube.
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Had to move it over to the side with the other bad genetic, take the net off reconfigure the canopy, it's too bad a loss like that. 6 weeks to go so it may recover? who knows, been sickly for a few days.
 
Yeah I get you with the bills...
For cloning I was using rockwool cubes and jiffy pellets with little success then I tried coco coir and my success rate improved. I’m familiar with it so I think that helped. Then I realized I was giving them too much light. So I switched to a desk lamp on top of a clone dome. So my next try will be with Eazy Plugs. A compressed coco coir cube similar in size and shape to a rockwool cube.
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My outdoor, before it froze and my one real survive.. I didn't even get the seeds in the mail until June. too many trees blocking the sun after the temp drop at night. I have already smoked it, the good plant rest got turned to bubble and cana coco nut oil. rock hard nugs only if it was quicker it was out there forever.
 

Funkentelechy

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From what I've read, I believe that Freezland IBL is Freezland backcrossed to the Friesland clone.
Friesland X Freezland = Freezland IBL
 
From what I've read, I believe that Freezland IBL is Freezland backcrossed to the Friesland clone.
Friesland X Freezland = Freezland IBL
but don't they typically cross back all strains, at some point for stability and a good measure .. Got my 15 freise and (1st order freebee) was 12 Kumaoni ( no clue) and 5 afghan mix.
 

Funkentelechy

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but don't they typically cross back all strains, at some point for stability and a good measure .. Got my 15 freise and (1st order freebee) was 12 Kumaoni ( no clue) and 5 afghan mix.
Not always, you only do backcrosses when you are trying to replicate one of the parent plants in seed form.

In a backcross, you combine two strains, one strain(Friesland in this case) whose traits you want to replicate in the offspring, and another strain(Pluton, from what I've read) that is usually chosen because it produces traits that are easily identified and thus easy to breed away from. From the new cross(Freezland) you then chose offspring that resemble the original plant with the desirable traits and back cross those to that desirable parent plant(Friesland) until you get seeds that produce plants that mostly resemble the desirable parent plant, creating an IBL . The point of this form of stabilization is to create a seed line that produces plants that resemble one of the parent plants as closely as possible, thus creating an IBL.

Or, you can cross two parent plants that both have traits that are desirable, with the intent to create a plant that carries the desirable traits from both parents, ideally resulting in something better than either of the parent plants. You then cross the desirable offspring from that cross that represents the new better hybrid, over and again(F1, F2, F3, etc.), until you stabilize those traits. In this scenario, there is no backcrossing to either of the parents because you're not trying to recreate either parent, you are stabilizing the traits of the new hybrid.
 
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Not always, you only do backcrosses when you are trying to replicate one of the parent plants in seed form.

In a backcross, you combine two strains, one strain(Friesland in this case) whose traits you want to replicate in the offspring, and another strain(Pluton, from what I've read) that is usually chosen because it produces traits that are easily identified and thus easy to breed away from. From the new cross(Freezland) you then chose offspring that resemble the original plant with the desirable traits and back cross those to that desirable parent plant(Friesland) until you get seeds that produce plants that mostly resemble the desirable parent plant, creating an IBL . The point of this form of stabilization is to create a seed line that produces plants that resemble one of the parent plants as closely as possible, thus creating an IBL.

Or, you can cross two parent plants that both have traits that are desirable, with the intent to create a plant that carries the desirable traits from both parents, ideally resulting in something better than either of the parent plants. You then cross the desirable offspring from that cross that represents the new better hybrid, over and again(F1, F2, F3, etc.), until you stabilize those traits. In this scenario, there is no backcrossing to either of the parents because you're not trying to recreate either parent, you are stabilizing the traits of the new hybrid.
2nd one is where my head is at, if I want a bunch of seeds of one strain. breed the best few , get seeds, plant seeds breed the best of that, then I thought I had to at some point cross my best back with like a clone of the mom or original, that's a lot of space used if you want a few strains worth of seeds. and seeded weed to smoke lol. I can't even figure out for sure if one of my freebies has thc , they say it is used for it’s cultivated for fiber, seed, and hand-rubbed charas. charas gets you buzzed but they also through the word hemp and multipurpose, I am sure it does but a lil worried. It could be used for breeding? some of the strong strains came from unexpecting strains. https://therealseedcompany.com/product/kumaoni-himalayan-landrace-strain-cannabis-seeds/
 

Funkentelechy

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Yeah, most strains were created either using the 2nd method, strains like Northern lights, skunk, cindy99, or they were found by accident AKA bag seed, like Chem, and Bubba.
I'm not brave enough to try true landraces, all the wonderful strains we have today started from landraces like that. I'm just not willing to put the time in, I only grow six legal outdoor plants a year, so having one or two plants that don't produce or are unusable is too risky for me. I've looked at that breeder though, very interesting, I have nothing but respect for landraces.
I tend to go with old school '80s and '90's strains. I don't really like modern strains, but landraces are too risky for me.
 

kingromano

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freezeland is a clone only
not sure it has been said earlier

seeds can sometimes come close to the original but rarely equal it
 

Funkentelechy

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freezeland is a clone only
not sure it has been said earlier

seeds can sometimes come close to the original but rarely equal it
I think that Friesland is cone only, and Freezland, which is a cross of the Friesland cone and Pluton, is available in seed form. Correct me if I'm wrong though, I'm not at all an expert, just what I've gathered through research.
 
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