Crazy Mexican girl accuses black teen on stealing her phone

DIY-HP-LED

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Yeah, it’s horrible. Not sure it’s about this. But you’re proving my point. Time to call me a racist.
We all have our biases and they mostly operate on an unconscious level, they come from our families, friends, communities and media. For many it's a case of the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak, that's generally a good thing. It means people are trying to evolve, to integrate new experiences, new conditioning that conflict with older conditioning. The main thing is not to let your biases cause you to fuck yourself and others, not to allow them to warp your perception and mind to the point where ya vote for Trump or any republican since Trump.

Marketing creates biases called branding and advertisers wouldn't spend trillions a year creating and reinforcing them. We are creatures of habit, or conditioning and conditioning works by creating feelings based on attraction and aversion at a basic level of intention. We are most often not aware of what drives our behavior at this level, our thinking is most often rationalizing conditioned feelings.

I don't demand people be perfect, just try to be better and kinder, to walk a mile in the other guys shoes and live with an open heart. The pace of social change is rapid these days and it was just a few years ago Obama's views on gay marriage "evolved" or so he said. My views have certainly changed over the years and my thoughts words and deeds reflect this personal evolution. We learn until we die or die inside, some like Trump can't learn and keep repeating the same mistakes.
 

hanimmal

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Help me out a little bit please. Did she say anything racist or is the mere fact that she accused a young black man of stealing her phone sufficient to call her a racist? Do we know for a fact that she is a racist and not just some debag little split tail.
The racist propaganda is trying to get you to not consider that it was the hotel's response that is the racist part.

 

DaFreak

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Oh yeah, hotel was totally out of line. Father has a law suit there he should advance, that needs to stop. Racial profiling is wrong, I’ve been the victim of it many many times. Race plays an aspect in everything, but I haven’t seen any proof other than the girl was an idiot. As more of the story comes out it may be the case, but she’s been found guilty already of that....across the globe. That doesn’t seem just to me if the only thing she is guilty of is being drunk and super stupid.
 

DaFreak

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We all have our biases and they mostly operate on an unconscious level, they come from our families, friends, communities and media. For many it's a case of the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak, that's generally a good thing. It means people are trying to evolve, to integrate new experiences, new conditioning that conflict with older conditioning. The main thing is not to let your biases cause you to fuck yourself and others, not to allow them to warp your perception and mind to the point where ya vote for Trump or any republican since Trump.

Marketing creates biases called branding and advertisers wouldn't spend trillions a year creating and reinforcing them. We are creatures of habit, or conditioning and conditioning works by creating feelings based on attraction and aversion at a basic level of intention. We are most often not aware of what drives our behavior at this level, our thinking is most often rationalizing conditioned feelings.

I don't demand people be perfect, just try to be better and kinder, to walk a mile in the other guys shoes and live with an open heart. The pace of social change is rapid these days and it was just a few years ago Obama's views on gay marriage "evolved" or so he said. My views have certainly changed over the years and my thoughts words and deeds reflect this personal evolution. We learn until we die or die inside, some like Trump can't learn and keep repeating the same mistakes.
Lovely, linking data about police brutality to this story isn’t relevant. She wasn’t trying to get the kid arrested, she was after the phone. She could have cared less about the kid. If he had thrown it on the floor she would have picked it up and ran out.
 

doublejj

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she's young...this is the time for her to learn a lesson. Hopefully she will learn from this experience and think twice before doing stupid shit again like pointing to the first black person she saw and accuse them of an ugly crime. she has ruined this young black kids reputation. She's an adult and should know better. Now she does. Live and learn. Sometimes you learn the hard way...
 

hanimmal

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Ruined his reputation? How?
Do you think that kid will not always have this incident in his mind anytime someone comes at him for something he hadn't done for the rest of his life? That no matter how good of a reputation he has, he knows at anytime he can be blamed and become a target for people who feel privileged to make him one.

This dehumanization shit leaves a mark.
 

Fogdog

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I agree that nobody will ever be able to say what SoHo Karen was thinking. If somebody wants to hold that standard up, then nobody should ever be convicted of a crime without hard physical evidence. That's not even a standard used in courts, much less public opinion. I agree that we are jumping to a conclusion. It's a matter of judgment.

Speaking of which, racism isn't a crime. Why get all sensitive about people forming a well founded opinion that SoHo Karen's baseless accusations were founded in racism? Racism isn't a crime. What is a crime is she assaulted two men and then fled the scene, showing up in California not too long thereafter. There is plenty of evidence and testimony to convict her should it come to a court case. Also civil damages. Those can be worse than the criminal punishment. So, yeah, I'd say SoHo Karen is in for a rough decade.

That said, racism is a motive. That's what we are talking about here, the motive. Racism isn't a crime but it does affect a person's bias and judgement. In the background is the fact that Black people are more often stopped, and searched than others in the US. We have good reason to think that racism played a role in this. For example



Two years ago, we assembled an interdisciplinary team of statisticians, computer scientists, and journalists at Stanford University to study possible bias in policing. The first major obstacle we faced was that police data is often inaccessible, making rigorous analysis difficult. Traffic stops—what we hoped to analyze—are the primary means through which police interact with the public, yet there was no national database of stop records.

We filed public record requests with all 50 states to obtain details of each stop carried out by state patrol officers over the last 10 years. So far, we’ve collected over 100 million records from 31 states.

We’re also releasing the preliminary results of our own analysis, using data from the 20 states with the most detailed information. (Full disclosure: This work has not yet undergone peer review, but we have released both the data and code to reproduce our analysis.) In our analysis, we focused on vehicle searches, in part because they have a clear goal—recovering contraband—which makes it easier to measure potential biases.

When we applied the threshold test to the data we found evidence of bias against both black and Hispanic motorists. The inferred thresholds for searching minorities were consistently lower than the thresholds for searching whites in jurisdictions across the country. If officers held black and Hispanic drivers to the same standard as whites, tens of thousands of searches of minorities might be avoided each year.

The patterns we find are suggestive of racial bias in policing. But as with all tests of discrimination, there is a limit to what one can conclude from such statistical analysis alone. For example, lower search thresholds for these groups could be the result of nondiscriminatory factors if officers had valid reasons to suspect more serious criminal activity when searching black and Hispanic drivers compared to whites. Such possibilities would have to be assessed independently of our analysis—our study is just one step in understanding complex police interactions.


So, yeah, the publishers of that data quite rightly say that statistics are a signal for more study and not proof. One must ask, "what caused this study to be done in the first place?" The consistent narrative from the Black community is nearly universal that they see themselves singled out as suspects for no good reason more often than they see others. Data from the Stanford Open Policing Project isn't proof but it does back up that claim.

We aren't going to satisfy @DaFreak . He's off on some tangent claiming 'murrica is going to ruin because "anti-racism". I'd say it's about time that we get unreasonable against racism. After all, racists have had a free hand since the beginning of this country and before then. We've only begun to address this issue. Too bad some weak minded landlord who hates his tenants got into a dither over this.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Lovely, linking data about police brutality to this story isn’t relevant. She wasn’t trying to get the kid arrested, she was after the phone. She could have cared less about the kid. If he had thrown it on the floor she would have picked it up and ran out.
Many white people assume they can stop and frisk black people at will, those two father and son morons who chased down and murdered a black guy who was out running a few months back for instance. WTF gave them the right to do that? Just like this panicked young woman and the hotel staff, they were operating on conditioned biases and not facts. The hotel staff could have offered to call her phone instead of pouncing on some black kid as the first option. If the cops had showed up both father and son might have been in cuffs or shot out of hand.
 

DaFreak

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Do you think that kid will not always have this incident in his mind anytime someone comes at him for something he hadn't done for the rest of his life? That no matter how good of a reputation he has, he knows at anytime he can be blamed and become a target for people who feel privileged to make him one.

This dehumanization shit leaves a mark.
I think he’ll be fine, this was nothing, just some crazy lady. Although I think turning it into a racial thing if it wasn’t will do more damage to him. Instead of him thinking,”wow, they’re crazy people out there.” He’ll be thinking “I’m a target.” But I think he might understand that she is just a crazy chick.
 

PadawanWarrior

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I think he’ll be fine, this was nothing, just some crazy lady. Although I think turning it into a racial thing if it wasn’t will do more damage to him. Instead of him thinking,”wow, they’re crazy people out there.” He’ll be thinking “I’m a target.” But I think he might understand that she is just a crazy chick.
Most people in this section won't understand and will turn everything racial if they have a chance. It's getting pretty sad.
 

DaFreak

Well-Known Member
I agree that nobody will ever be able to say what SoHo Karen was thinking. If somebody wants to hold that standard up, then nobody should ever be convicted of a crime without hard physical evidence. That's not even a standard used in courts, much less public opinion. I agree that we are jumping to a conclusion. It's a matter of judgment.

Speaking of which, racism isn't a crime. Why get all sensitive about people forming a well founded opinion that SoHo Karen's baseless accusations were founded in racism? Racism isn't a crime. What is a crime is she assaulted two men and then fled the scene, showing up in California not too long thereafter. There is plenty of evidence and testimony to convict her should it come to a court case. Also civil damages. Those can be worse than the criminal punishment. So, yeah, I'd say SoHo Karen is in for a rough decade.

That said, racism is a motive. That's what we are talking about here, the motive. Racism isn't a crime but it does affect a person's bias and judgement. In the background is the fact that Black people are more often stopped, and searched than others in the US. We have good reason to think that racism played a role in this. For example



Two years ago, we assembled an interdisciplinary team of statisticians, computer scientists, and journalists at Stanford University to study possible bias in policing. The first major obstacle we faced was that police data is often inaccessible, making rigorous analysis difficult. Traffic stops—what we hoped to analyze—are the primary means through which police interact with the public, yet there was no national database of stop records.

We filed public record requests with all 50 states to obtain details of each stop carried out by state patrol officers over the last 10 years. So far, we’ve collected over 100 million records from 31 states.

We’re also releasing the preliminary results of our own analysis, using data from the 20 states with the most detailed information. (Full disclosure: This work has not yet undergone peer review, but we have released both the data and code to reproduce our analysis.) In our analysis, we focused on vehicle searches, in part because they have a clear goal—recovering contraband—which makes it easier to measure potential biases.

When we applied the threshold test to the data we found evidence of bias against both black and Hispanic motorists. The inferred thresholds for searching minorities were consistently lower than the thresholds for searching whites in jurisdictions across the country. If officers held black and Hispanic drivers to the same standard as whites, tens of thousands of searches of minorities might be avoided each year.

The patterns we find are suggestive of racial bias in policing. But as with all tests of discrimination, there is a limit to what one can conclude from such statistical analysis alone. For example, lower search thresholds for these groups could be the result of nondiscriminatory factors if officers had valid reasons to suspect more serious criminal activity when searching black and Hispanic drivers compared to whites. Such possibilities would have to be assessed independently of our analysis—our study is just one step in understanding complex police interactions.


So, yeah, the publishers of that data quite rightly say that statistics are a signal for more study and not proof. One must ask, "what caused this study to be done in the first place?" The consistent narrative from the Black community is nearly universal that they see themselves singled out as suspects for no good reason more often than they see others. Data from the Stanford Open Policing Project isn't proof but it does back up that claim.

We aren't going to satisfy @DaFreak . He's off on some tangent claiming 'murrica is going to ruin because "anti-racism". I'd say it's about time that we get unreasonable against racism. After all, racists have had a free hand since the beginning of this country and before then. We've only begun to address this issue. Too bad some weak minded landlord who hates his tenants got into a dither over this.
Many white people assume they can stop and frisk black people at will, those two father and son morons who chased down and murdered a black guy who was out running a few months back for instance. WTF gave them the right to do that? Just like this panicked young woman and the hotel staff, they were operating on conditioned biases and not facts. The hotel staff could have offered to call her phone instead of pouncing on some black kid as the first option. If the cops had showed up both father and son might have been in cuffs or shot out of hand.
We have no idea why she thought what she did. They were after a person, she was after her imaginary phone. Completely different. What happens if bad cops show up is irrelevant. Hotel handled it wrong. The masses have been told “racist woman profiles black child and assaults him.” And they have spoken!! Dude it’s just so sad. No common sense to be had anywhere.
 

hanimmal

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I think he’ll be fine, this was nothing, just some crazy lady. Although I think turning it into a racial thing if it wasn’t will do more damage to him. Instead of him thinking,”wow, they’re crazy people out there.” He’ll be thinking “I’m a target.” But I think he might understand that she is just a crazy chick.
You think it will be the last time something like this happens to him?

You keep going back to the crazy girl. And even after you seem to have understood that it was the hotel that was acting racist. Crazy is crazy, but the manager and hotel's response is the bigger problem.

Most people in this section won't understand and will turn everything racial if they have a chance. It's getting pretty sad.
You mean like a thread titled 'Crazy Mexican girl accuses Black teen'?
 

PadawanWarrior

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We have no idea why she thought what she did. They were after a person, she was after her imaginary phone. Completely different. What happens if bad cops show up is irrelevant. Hotel handled it wrong. The masses have been told “racist woman profiles black child and assaults him.” And they have spoken!! Dude it’s just so sad. No common sense to be had anywhere.
Funny man. I almost said these guys have no common sense in my last post, but I made my post shorter, lol.
 

PadawanWarrior

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You think it will be the last time something like this happens to him?

You keep going back to the crazy girl. And even after you seem to have understood that it was the hotel that was acting racist. Crazy is crazy, but the manager and hotel's response is the bigger problem.


You mean like a thread titled 'Crazy Mexican girl accuses Black teen'?
Did I hit a nerve?
 

doublejj

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We have no idea why she thought what she did. They were after a person, she was after her imaginary phone. Completely different. What happens if bad cops show up is irrelevant. Hotel handled it wrong. The masses have been told “racist woman profiles black child and assaults him.” And they have spoken!! Dude it’s just so sad. No common sense to be had anywhere.
charge her with assault and let a jury decide....
 
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