A New Year is here, thank fecking God :)

[hanimmal]

And why? do you get so upset with doubters...is everything you see and hear truth?
And what color is the sky in your little Utopia where all will be well again due to a calendar change?
Indeed.
FF

I live in Michigan, its a pretty safe bet that it is grey (yup just looked out the window), and will mostly be grey until about May.

We came a long way from being eaten by lions and shit. Hell in the last hundred years we doubled our life expectancy. We are still in the growing pains of our society, and until the last couple decades started to not actively block 66% of our population from achieving success.

And yes 'doubters' tend to just be edgy ass-wipes who mistake critical thinking with Monday morning quarterbacking.

 

[FastFreddi]

I live in Michigan, its a pretty safe bet that it is grey (yup just looked out the window), and will mostly be grey until about May.

We came a long way from being eaten by lions and shit. Hell in the last hundred years we doubled our life expectancy. We are still in the growing pains of our society, and until the last couple decades started to not actively block 66% of our population from achieving success.

And yes 'doubters' tend to just be edgy ass-wipes who mistake critical thinking with Monday morning quarterbacking.

And yours is critical thinking, or just you being you?.
FF

 

[Herb & Suds]

Its all over the news when they began the shitshow....but of course, only what YOU know is fact eh?
Twatwaffle
FF

Ouch

 

[FastFreddi]

This subject has been beaten to death...take it and I hope you are well.
Peace.
FF

 

[FastFreddi]

And so we are clear, I mean that for everyone on both sides of this.
Whatever your choice, may it serve you and yourself well.
I never mean harm when I discuss, no matter what comes.
This is a pot growing forum, not the United Nations.
Peace
FF

 

[hanimmal]

And yours is critical thinking, or just you being you?.
FF

If nothing else I try to listen when people tell me I am not listening and don't just assume I know what is right.

Thing about learning complex provable things is that it is very humbling while simultaneously creating a kind of self righteous exasperation towards people who refuse to understand what they don't but are willing to pretend like they do.

 

[Dr.Amber Trichome]

Happy New Year!!

 

[FastFreddi]

If nothing else I try to listen when people tell me I am not listening and don't just assume I know what is right.

Thing about learning complex provable things is that it is very humbling while simultaneously creating a kind of self righteous exasperation towards people who refuse to understand what they don't but are willing to pretend like they do.

I get that, but there are always so many sides to one thing...to whom should one listen?
Oneself.
FF

 

[Herb & Suds]

What if "oneself" is full of manure?

 

[hanimmal]

I get that, but there are always so many sides to one thing...to whom should one listen?
Oneself.
FF

Ill go with the people who actually spent decades studying the thing, and then putting up their work for others to evaluate it and watch as it gets slapped down for any and all minor (or major) mistakes over and over again until someone else in the field comes along with something slightly (generally) better/more accurate that everyone in the field starts the cycle all over again.

And not just 'oneself'. Especially when we know that right now people are in very intricate information bubbles and believing crazy ass shit like lizard people and 5g conspiracies or any other bat shit crazy thing they 'heard' online or from some hate monger on TV/radio.

 

[FastFreddi]

Listen guys, I'm no anti vaxxer, both of my adult children were fully vaccinated, as am I.
When I served, I gladly took the immunizations for overseas duties.
I'm just not convinced on the safety of this one, as it was completed so quickly. Not enough study time.
It does not make sense when all previous vaccines took many years and trials, but this one, nahhh its different...riiiiight.
Anyway, peace.
FF

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Marcus Aurelius was always a favorite of mine, a wise man and yet an emperor of Rome, a philosopher king. There is wisdom to be found in his words, ancient Greek wisdom that came from India almost 500 years before his time. In the wake of Alexander the great Hellenistic kingdoms stretched from India to Greece. A couple of generations after Alexander the great, the Indian emperor Asoka, whose grand father visited Alexander in his camp, converted to Buddhism and sent Buddhist monks as ambassadors to Alexandrea. These monks were likely Theravada, the way of the elders, and some believe the Greek word therapeia, later the Latin therapy, is derived from this source. Legend has it a young lad name Jesus may have passed through Alexandra 200 years after the ambassadors arrived at the great Library.

Before Alexander visited (attacked) India there were no statues depicting the Buddha, there were only symbols. Statues of the Buddha throughout Asia were a Greek invention that started in northern India and the first were the work of Greek artisans. Knowledge flowed both ways and we only have scraps of the past, the statues endured the passage of time and the ideas lived on in the minds of men.

 

[CunningCanuk]

Listen guys, I'm no anti vaxxer, both of my adult children were fully vaccinated, as am I.
When I served, I gladly took the immunizations for overseas duties.
I'm just not convinced on the safety of this one, as it was completed so quickly. Not enough study time.
It does not make sense when all previous vaccines took many years and trials, but this one, nahhh its different...riiiiight.
Anyway, peace.
FF

Scientists have been working on corona virus’ for over 10 years. So, there’s that.

 

[FastFreddi]

Scientists have been working on corona virus’ for over 10 years. So, there’s that.

They have been working on cancer, diabetes, hep C , and a thousand others for many decades...
there's that.
The common cold, ebola, sars, Mars, and a host of others...
there's that.
FF

 

[FastFreddi]

Corona viruses have a tendency to mutate, making the vaccine useless...
there's that.
JS
FF

 

[JoeBlow5823]

Show me proof that it doesn't work on the latest mutation
You spewing it doesn't make it fact
Now break out the proof ?

I dont have any proof man i dont work for pfizer or moderna or any lab for that matter. But its not a stretch of the imagination that they mix up a cocktail of flu strains that they THINK will be big hitters every year because each strain needs its own antibodies. Flu vaccines have been widely used for 75 years and they still dont have it right. What makes you think there is a fucking ice cube's chance in hell they just absolutely nailed this one first try?

There is no proof that it doent work on the latest mutation because there is not enough data. Takes time to figure this shit out. People have to have the vaccine and then be exposed to different strains of the virus before anyone will be able to figure fuck all out. Just saying that if you think this vaccine is going to be a home run solution to the problem, you might want to put the pipe down for a little while.

 

[FastFreddi]

I dont have any proof man i dont work for pfizer or moderna or any lab for that matter. But its not a stretch of the imagination that they mix up a cocktail of flu strains that they THINK will be big hitters every year because each strain needs its own antibodies. Flu vaccines have been widely used for 75 years and they still dont have it right. What makes you think there is a fucking ice cube's chance in hell they just absolutely nailed this one first try?

There is no proof that it doent work on the latest mutation because there is not enough data. Takes time to figure this shit out. People have to have the vaccine and then be exposed to different strains of the virus before anyone will be able to figure fuck all out. Just saying that if you think this vaccine is going to be a home run solution to the problem, you might want to put the pipe down for a little while.

Agreed.
FF

 

[Herb & Suds]

But unless you can quote Aristotle or Confucius, you have no say in the matter....at least according to the local geniuses who happen to take time from their crucial lives to grace us poor poor ig'nant folk with their vast knowledge of everything Corona.
FF

From a guy quoting himself
normal folks aren't going to believe your intellect is higher than a slug, maybe justified?

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I get that, but there are always so many sides to one thing...to whom should one listen?
Oneself.
FF

How about the experts? The ones lined up to put their own asses on the line by taking it first. Who knows more, guys like Dr. Fauci or some clown on YouTube spouting speculation and conspiracy theories. There is not much money to be made selling the truth, but there is a rich market for bullshit and simple, but false explanations

You don't need to be an expert, just have faith in those who are, they need a real big brain to get a PhD in their fields and an even bigger one to shine and lead. Even other scientists who are not in their field and are laymen outside their specialties have faith in them. The people you are dealing with are not politicians, lying is a job requirement for them, honesty and personal integrity are absolute requirements for a scientist. Experiments can be replicated and they are competing with peers for funding and glory, their peers and competitors keep them honest if nothing else will.

All the experts are saying the same thing, vaccination is safe and effective, they are not just saying this in America either, but globally. Russia is spreading vaccine disinformation in the west, but vaccinating their own people as fast as they can, but their vaccine has not undergone the same rigorous process that ours have.

 

[FastFreddi]

From a guy quoting himself
normal folks aren't going to believe your intellect is higher than a slug, maybe justified?

That one gets old guys...and so it begins lol.
FF