This isn't over.

Sativied

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It isn't Trump I am worried about. I don't believe he will play a part in what I fear much more than he already has. The country is in an epistemological crisis and I fear that it will get worse.
If that epistemological crisis gets worse, it will end up triggering the Second American Age of Reason, spark a revolution, and new/upgraded US. There has never been more disdain for “alternative facts” and bullshitters in the US than now. That’ll be Trump’s legacy.
 

captainmorgan

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Unclebaldrick

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If that epistemological crisis gets worse, it will end up triggering the Second American Age of Reason, spark a revolution, and new/upgraded US. There has never been more disdain for “alternative facts” and bullshitters in the US than now. That’ll be Trump’s legacy.
How can you say that there has never been more disdain for alternative facts when less than 30 Republican members of Congress acknowledge Bidens election, Trump has raised $171 million since the election and over 80% of Republicans think the election was rigged?
 

hanimmal

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That is some crazy shit.
How can you say that there has never been more disdain for alternative facts when less than 30 Republican members of Congress acknowledge Bidens election, Trump has raised $171 million since the election and over 80% of Republicans think the election was rigged?
Im not sure that more disdain than ever and more people sucked into the information void of the propaganda than ever before are mutually exclusive.
 

topcat

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It's what Jesus would do.


Krischens fer' ar lard an' savyoor, Individual 1. Hella Looya. Jesus tap-dancing Christ!
 

TacoMac

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How can you say that there has never been more disdain for alternative facts when less than 30 Republican members of Congress acknowledge Bidens election, Trump has raised $171 million since the election and over 80% of Republicans think the election was rigged?
Here comes the funny part:

If the most powerful man in the world can't rig an election in his favor even when he tries, then one of two things is true:
  1. You simply can't rig an election.
  2. He is the most inept, moronic, worthless moron to ever be president of the United States.
It could be both.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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How can you say that there has never been more disdain for alternative facts when less than 30 Republican members of Congress acknowledge Bidens election, Trump has raised $171 million since the election and over 80% of Republicans think the election was rigged?
There are a lot of them, but they are isolated now and will be whittled away one way or another, reality has a way of creeping in overtime as passions cool, some will even introspect. You don't need all of them, just 5 or 10% more of them over time. There is also the coming investigations and criminal trials, most people respect the verdict of a jury and they will have problems with the vast majority. As you retain power and if you can gain control of the whole government, the changes will remove the republican's advantages and silence the disinformation network that feeds their delusions. removing their emotional support community on major social media platforms, by enforcing truth telling, will help. The radical elements are already moving to the parlor and in doing so they are "self isolating" from the mainstream, likewise they are moving to newsmax and OAN, fox has a choice to follow them to Hell and social isolation.

Who will teach the historical narrative of these times to the school kids of today and tomorrow, the ones who will be able to vote starting next year, liberal female teachers for the most part and liberals will write that narrative. Wait for the controversies at school boards across the nation in the years to come, as many parents will not accept the truth, or the fact that their children are being told their parents are racist idiots who almost destroyed their futures. There is gonna be one Helluva fight over this on the state and local levels, are you gonna tell the kids the truth or a pack of lies. Remember the civil war wasn't really about slavery, it was about "states rights", not human rights. They will try to rewrite history and try to bullshit your kids, don't let them, they must own their shame in front of their own children, there are consequences for betraying your country and these a mild.
 
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topcat

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Here comes the funny part:

If the most powerful man in the world can't rig an election in his favor even when he tries, then one of two things is true:
  1. You simply can't rig an election.
  2. He is the most inept, moronic, worthless moron to ever be president of the United States.
It could be both.
It's both and much more. There will be more, not so moronic, or stupid, then, we're in deep shit. Pull on your muck boots.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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Trump didn't create these people - they found him. They'll find another - one who isn't a feckless piece of shit. That person will be dangerous.

This isn't over
Agreed, and that's why you must pull out the stops and fight them like they fight you, you can only play politics with those who agree to follow the rules and respect the constitution. These people voted against the constitution by supporting someone who obviously is trying to destroy it, it makes it difficult to oppose those who operate outside the law, political norms and the constitution.

Like the second world war you were blindsided and it took a couple of years to shake off the shock, get production into gear and people trained to fight. I figure this fight will echo the last one against fascism, they have awakened a sleeping giant and the giant will begin to act over the next couple of years, independent of the government. Baldrick there are tens of millions like you, intelligent, perceptive and resourceful people who believe in liberalism and democracy, the republicans made enemies of every one of them. Many republicans left in the federal law enforcement and intelligence communities, how about the military (4 to 1 for Biden and higher among officers)? How about the medical community, many republicans left there? How about the mostly female teaching profession, many alternative reality people there?

There will be grass roots organizations in every state of the union as a reaction to Trump and the republicans, mostly run by women too. People now apprehend the danger, half the country is mad and a real and present danger. I can say this with some confidence based on the facts and actual reality, not an alternative one devoid of facts or reason.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Little secret that is not getting much press coverage, the troops that tRUmp is withdrawing are being replaced with Eric Princes private army,maga.
In Afghanistan? A great place to leave them, surrounded, as the expected air cover and support dries up, after they provoke a war and try to run. President Biden will order Prince to Afghanistan to stand with his people, a valiant last stand it will be too. They will order the Kabul airport runway to be cratered to prevent landing and take offs, just to make sure Eric and his people stay there.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Urge the voters of Georgia to write in Trump for the senate and show those libertards a thing or two! Yeah Trump will be in your face libertards until he becomes president again in 2025! Our white superman jenius will get the brown people and trigger the libs! Write Trump in on the Georgia special election, the senate needs strong leadership, Mitch is not radical enough, Trump will show them how to run the senate right! :lol: :lol: :lol: You can have some serious fun with these fucking morons, so don't miss the chance, go on parlor and be the best Trumper you can be, get on the database as a dependable Trump supporter today! Just ignore the emails for cash and use another account to keep your computer from getting spammed, as they sell yer false ass to every conman in America.:lol: BTW: Snopes, deals in facts, so they don't read it, it's fake news and ignorance is bliss.

This sounds like something the Lincoln Project would do, those fuckers know how to fight dirty and they also know how fucking stupid and ignorant the average Trump voter is. Know thy enemy and if thy enemy is a moron, act accordingly.

If ya don't think it's funny that's ok, I'm just about ROTFL at the thought. Those emoticons are real, I've got of tears mirth in my eyes. Sometimes ya laugh at the absurdity and sometimes ya cry about the tragedy, that's Trump's America, savor it while it lasts, lest your forget the sorrow.
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Could Write-In Ballots for Trump in Georgia Runoffs Elect Him to US Senate? (snopes.com)

Could Write-In Ballots for Trump in Georgia Runoffs Elect Him to US Senate?
Social media posts urged conservatives to vote for U.S. President Donald Trump in races in which he wasn't a candidate.

Many morons believe this claim:
In Georgia's U.S. Senate runoff election on Jan. 5, 2021, a majority of write-in ballots for Trump would elect him to the U.S. Senate, or alternatively, undermine Republican candidates.

What's True
If a majority of Republican voters marked their ballots with Trump's name and did not vote for Georgia's Republican U.S. Senate candidates, their Democratic challengers would win; therefore, the write-in protest would undermine Senate Republicans.

What's False
Since Georgia law only allows two candidates per race on ballots in runoffs, and since Trump was not one of them in the Jan. 5 election, he has no legal avenue to secure a Senate seat in this election. Additionally, there's no official space for write-in candidates in the runoffs, so ballots with Trump's name written on them would likely be considered invalid.

Origin
In late November 2020, after U.S. President-elect Joe Biden secured the battleground state of Georgia in the presidential election, a social media campaign emerged claiming his opponent, U.S. President Donald Trump, would have a chance to serve in the U.S. Senate if enough people voted for him in the state’s upcoming runoffs.

The Jan. 5, 2021, runoff election between incumbent Republican Sens. Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue and Democrats the Rev. Raphael Warnock and Jon Ossoff will decide whether Republicans or Democrats control the upper chamber at the outset of a Biden administration. Georgia election rules call for runoff races when no candidate exceeds 50% of voter share in either race during the general election.

But with the hashtag #WriteInTrumpForGA on platforms including Twitter and Parler, an online haven for conservatives, posts attempted to convince Georgia voters to write in Trump’s name and elect him to the Senate, even though he was not a candidate.
 
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Sativied

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How can you say that there has never been more disdain for alternative facts when less than 30 Republican members of Congress acknowledge Bidens election, Trump has raised $171 million since the election and over 80% of Republicans think the election was rigged?
A little history, a habit of hammering on logic and reason for decades, good weed and the belief in balance as a force of nature. :eyesmoke:

Didn’t your tolerance for bullshit decrease (even more) over the past 4 years?
Aren’t you fed up, almost in the litteral sense, with alternative facts affecting politics?
So are 80million others.

The facts you mention, Trump’s lies and post-truth nonsense and the aftermath, elicit a strong response in the opposite direction. Those 80% of Republicans weren’t big on facts and truth before Trump either. The Bushes, Reagan, Nixon, as in previous modern republican presidents, all embraced anti-intellectualism. It’s not a new issue. This time, with Trump, the “stupid party” already took it too far. Hence the one-term presidency. And the further the republicans take it, the harder the push back from rational people. Not just dems.

At no time in history were so many concerned with the truth, authoritative knowledge, and rational debates. Yes, as a response to so many clinging to alternative facts.

There are so many quotes from founding fathers and some of the wiser former presidents that apply today, but here’s one that fits well:
“Truth will ultimately prevail“ - George Washington

When 80% of the republicans think the election was rigged, 20%, of what is a minority already, thinks Trump is wrong. That glass isn’t 80% empty, it’s 20% full.

That poll about congress members not acknowledging Biden as the winner is typical sensational media clickbait crap. 25 are saying Trump is wrong, 2 are sucking Trump’s ass, and 222 are following what they think is a winning strategy for their own career and/or Georgia senate run offs. They will not go openly against Trump for as long as possible, but all of them know who’ll be president in Jan. They want to get there without losing the support of their Trump-supporting voters and preferably by keeping the senate. If they‘d say Trump lost, it would cause more division amongst republicans. It was to be expected Trump’s exit would be a mess, but I’m confident optimistic it is effectively as good as over.
 

Unclebaldrick

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A little history, a habit of hammering on logic and reason for decades, good weed and the belief in balance as a force of nature. :eyesmoke:

Didn’t your tolerance for bullshit decrease (even more) over the past 4 years?
Aren’t you fed up, almost in the litteral sense, with alternative facts affecting politics?
So are 80million others.

The facts you mention, Trump’s lies and post-truth nonsense and the aftermath, elicit a strong response in the opposite direction. Those 80% of Republicans weren’t big on facts and truth before Trump either. The Bushes, Reagan, Nixon, as in previous modern republican presidents, all embraced anti-intellectualism. It’s not a new issue. This time, with Trump, the “stupid party” already took it too far. Hence the one-term presidency. And the further the republicans take it, the harder the push back from rational people. Not just dems.

At no time in history were so many concerned with the truth, authoritative knowledge, and rational debates. Yes, as a response to so many clinging to alternative facts.

There are so many quotes from founding fathers and some of the wiser former presidents that apply today, but here’s one that fits well:
“Truth will ultimately prevail“ - George Washington

When 80% of the republicans think the election was rigged, 20%, of what is a minority already, thinks Trump is wrong. That glass isn’t 80% empty, it’s 20% full.

That poll about congress members not acknowledging Biden as the winner is typical sensational media clickbait crap. 25 are saying Trump is wrong, 2 are sucking Trump’s ass, and 222 are following what they think is a winning strategy for their own career and/or Georgia senate run offs. They will not go openly against Trump for as long as possible, but all of them know who’ll be president in Jan. They want to get there without losing the support of their Trump-supporting voters and preferably by keeping the senate. If they‘d say Trump lost, it would cause more division amongst republicans. It was to be expected Trump’s exit would be a mess, but I’m confident optimistic it is effectively as good as over.
Sure, my tolerance for bullshit is low. And if I still lived in the city I would probably agree with you. But I live among these people and they are absolutely buying it and pretty much every other piece of fake news that makes them feel good.

And it isn't a poll about Congressional Republicans, it is true that the vast majority are keeping their mouths shut when they should be shouting "have you no sense of decency?" at that son of a bitch Trump.

No matter the fact that Trump lost the popular vote twice and the electoral college once, the right wing outlets will reinforce the lies Trump and his minions have created endlessly. For at least the next ten years, this will effectively be disputed history. The same happened in interregnum Germany until that lie was seized upon by the Nazis and ridden to its horrible conclusion. The Nazi media was a tinkertoy compared to the hundreds of commentators that will be repeating this over and over to millions of heavily armed, febrile, drooling Republicans.

I'm not saying that it will happen, just that the ground is fertile for some really bad shit.

We are not safe, this is not over.
 
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