This isn't over.

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MickFoster said:
I love Scotland.........check out the Trump Turmberry in Scotland after his loss.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1331671167762108419
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I'm thinking one of those house decoration laser projectors could do that or something like this. Put it on a high stand looking over the fence and get it to project colorful variations of LOSER on the WH lawn or WH itself! Donald would see it on TV and flip out!
At US $218.40 it's a bargain.

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Georgia polls
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Georgia Polls | FiveThirtyEight

Added Nov. 17, 2020
DATESPOLLSTERSAMPLERESULTNET RESULT
U.S. SenateGa.NOV 10, 2020VCreek/AMG*300LVWarnock46%50%LoefflerLoeffler+4
KEY
A = ADULTS
RV = REGISTERED VOTERS
V = VOTERS
LV = LIKELY VOTERS
Nov. 16, 2020
U.S. SenateGa.NOV 16, 2020B-
InsiderAdvantage		800LVWarnock49%48%LoefflerWarnock+1
U.S. SenateGa.NOV 16, 2020B-
InsiderAdvantage		800LVOssoff49%49%PerdueEVEN
Nov. 10, 2020
U.S. SenateGa.NOV 8-9, 2020C-
Remington Research Group		1,450LVWarnock48%49%LoefflerLoeffler+1
U.S. SenateGa.NOV 8-9, 2020C-
Remington Research Group		1,450LVOssoff46%50%PerduePerdue+4
Nov. 1, 2020
President: general electionGa.NOV 1, 2020B
Landmark Communications		500LVBiden46%MoreTrump+4
President: general electionGa.OCT 30-NOV 1, 2020AYTM380LVBiden52%48%TrumpBiden+4
President: general electionGa.OCT 27-NOV 1, 2020D-
Swayable		438LVBiden54%MoreBiden+9
President: general electionGa.OCT 27-NOV 1, 2020B-
Data for Progress		1,036LVBiden50%MoreBiden+2
President: general electionGa.OCT 19-NOV 1, 2020D-
SurveyMonkey		3,535LVBiden50%49%TrumpBiden+1
President: general electionGa.OCT 19-NOV 1, 2020D-
SurveyMonkey		3,535RVBiden52%45%TrumpBiden+7
President: general electionGa.OCT 22-31, 2020B/C
Morning Consult		1,743LVBiden49%46%TrumpBiden+2
President: general electionGa.OCT 24-25, 2020Wick1,000LVBiden47%49%TrumpTrump+3
U.S. SenateGa.NOV 1, 2020B
Landmark Communications		500LVWarnock38%MoreWarnock+11
U.S. SenateGa.NOV 1, 2020B
Landmark Communications		500LVOssoff47%MorePerdue+2
U.S. SenateGa.OCT 27-NOV 1, 2020D-
Swayable		407LVOssoff48%49%PerduePerdue+1
U.S. SenateGa.OCT 27-NOV 1, 2020B-
Data for Progress		1,036LVWarnock41%MoreWarnock+15
U.S. SenateGa.OCT 27-NOV 1, 2020B-
Data for Progress		1,036LVOssoff51%MoreOssoff+5
U.S. SenateGa.OCT 22-31, 2020B/C
Morning Consult		1,743LVOssoff47%46%PerdueOssoff+1
 
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schuylaar said:
had a feeling- you're too cool for this place.

Q: does Germany re-enact Nazi life like America does the Civil War and allowed to fly their Confederate flag of treason? do you know any other countries in the world that allow this?
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Lol thanks, I guess. NL is statistically a good place to be, but in reality... meh, would not recommend. Too individualistic yet too crowded, probably why we suck at dealing with covid too.

A: Displaying Nazi symbols publicly is punishable by prison in Germany, and against the law in the Netherlands, France and a bunch of other eu countries. Not proteced by free speech and expression. I was in the War Memorial in Canberra Australia last year and they have a whole section with Nazi stuff, large flags, medals, and shiny paraphernalia on display. Never seen that IRL being displayed like that, till I was on the other side of the planet, was genuinely shocking. Surely we have similar stuff in some museums but we tend to focus on showing the horrors most prominently. Walking around like a nazi here is still a sure way to get punched t.f.o. We too have our share of Stephen Millers and dogwhistling half-nazis in politics though.

It seems the whole Trump situation in the US did change some people’s perspective on the Germans. Specifically how relatively fast and easy regular folks can be turned against each other and how that could happen to any country, even the US. They do have some neonazi extreme right groups, but if anyone learned from the mistake they made, it’s Germany. Ironically, the first country they attacked, Poland, not so much.

Some Italians are major Mussolini fans, waving their fascist flag. So I guess it’s not entirely unique to the US for some people to root for the side that already lost, but it’s no less weird it’s tolerated. No nazi statues in Germany. The Americans initiated the denazification program in Germany, after allowing the south to erect confederate statues/monument. :neutral: Clearly there’s some unfinished business that needs to be taken care of, preferably without actually repeating history.

Speaking of nazis, the US Ambassador to NL, Hoekstra (dutch ancestors), typical Trump guy, spoke at a meeting of a fascist party in NL. Very inappropriate for ambassadors from the US to meddle in national politics and we’re counting on Biden to replace that embarrassing laughing stock asap.

Any Trump supporter should watch this before claiming again the US is respected again thanks to Trump.
 
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Donald is butthurt bigly and can't seem to accept reality, increasingly reality will mean drastic change and that will cause suffering. Donald doesn't deal well with suffering, he needs to share it with others and strike out at those he blames, which is everybody but himself. Wait until he realizes Mitch is gonna stab him in the back after Georgia, especially if he loses the senate over Donald's antics.
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How Trump is trying to confuse the public about the election outcome
President Donald Trump speaks with reporters after participating in a video teleconference call with members of the military on Thanksgiving, Thursday, Nov. 26, 2020, at the White House in Washington. (AP Photo/Patrick Semansky)
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He lost the election nearly four weeks ago yet he refuses to admit it. Judging by his tweets, he's spiraling even deeper into denial.
 
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Fogdog said:
Count Dracula is somewhere in that picture. Charlie Manson too.
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There were details about the Flynn pardon released tonight. Why would the justice department say anything? They are not his lawyers, he can produce it in court in person, a pardon is an admission of guilt. Pardoning future crimes cannot be done, nothing is protected after the pardon is issued.
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Trump pardon: Justice Department releases pardon of Michael Flynn and asks court for dismissal - CNNPolitics

Justice Department releases Trump's pardon of Flynn and asks court for dismissal
(CNN)The Justice Department on Monday released a copy of President Donald Trump's pardon of former national security adviser Michael Flynn -- giving Flynn far-reaching absolution from lying and foreign lobbying crimes he admitted to in 2017 and any other possible related crimes.

The Department also formally asked a federal court to dismiss the case against him.
Trump's pardon, announced last week, clears Flynn from anything related to the investigation the FBI conducted into his contacts with Russia; his cooperation during the Mueller investigation and other cases Mueller could have investigated; and his disclosures about secretly lobbying for Turkey in 2016 before becoming Trump's first national security adviser.
The specifics of Trump's pardon for Flynn are written very broadly.

The pardon also appears to excuse Flynn from telling the federal court under oath that he is guilty of his crimes and, later, claiming he is innocent, which could have resulted in a contempt proceeding, the Justice Department said in a filing with Judge Emmet Sullivan.

The pardon absolves Flynn from "any possible future perjury or contempt charge in connection with General Flynn's sworn statements and any other possible future charge that this Court or the court-appointed amicus has suggested might somehow keep this criminal case alive over the government's objection," the Justice Department wrote.
Sullivan has not responded yet in court. What the judge will say after years of dizzying legal proceedings for Flynn has been long-awaited.

Flynn's pardon and the dismissal of the case will bring to a close a saga that has become emblematic of the Trump presidency's scandals.

It started with Trump campaign adviser Flynn under investigation for his contacts with Russia. After lying to the FBI and to members of Trump's administration in early 2017, Flynn lost his job as national security adviser, setting in motion a series of events that led to Trump firing FBI Director James Comey and the appointment of special counsel Robert Mueller to investigate Russian interference in the election and the President obstructing justice.

Then, at the end of December 2017, Flynn became one of the most significant and earliest defendants to plead guilty and cooperate in the Mueller investigation. His cooperation led to the indictment of his lobbying partner Bijan Kian for work their firm did for Turkey in 2016, though a judge overturned a jury's conviction of Kian and the DOJ is still fighting for the Turkish lobbying case in an appeal.

This year, Flynn, represented by a new set of lawyers, and the Justice Department attempted to undo his guilty plea in court.

The case often has fueled Trump's campaign-time smears of Mueller as a "witch hunt."
Ultimately, Flynn scored the pardon after his legal team attacked the FBI, Mueller prosecutors and his prior defense team in court -- even after a federal judge had rejected the theory of Flynn's team that the FBI had entrapped him when its agents interviewed him in January 2017 about his contacts with Russia. Trump had also folded regular tweets about Flynn into his continued railings about Comey, the FBI, the courts and "Obamagate," a vague moniker of right-wing conspiracy theory.

Three sources told CNN on Tuesday that the White House had discussed a possible pardon, but cautioned that Trump could change his mind about making such a move. CNN previously reported that Flynn was among those likeliest to receive a pardon given his history as a Trump campaign associate who was convicted following special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation.

While the President has continued to falsely insist publicly that he won the presidential election rather than President-elect Joe Biden, the pardon of Flynn is a sign Trump understands his time in office is coming to a close. He's expected to issue a string of additional pardons before leaving the White House, according to multiple sources familiar with the discussion.
 
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The house intelligence committee should subpoena Flynn and clean every detail about the Russia investigation out of him publicly. Future grand juries might want to talk to Flynn too, he has no 5th amendment rights and can be jailed until he answers, if he lies he can be prosecuted for perjury. Clean out Flynn, prove his was in a conspiracy with Trump and invalidate his pardon as a corrupt pardon. Likewise if Donald came into court with a self pardon, put him on the stand and clean him out about everything you want to know, then charge him and get the pardon thrown out by the SCOTUS. If they don't toss a self pardon, they would give any POTUS a license to kill, even them.
 
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Fogdog said:
Count Dracula is somewhere in that picture. Charlie Manson too.
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Rudy can stand in for Dracula, the only way he could have avoided covid was by turning into a bat at night, and sunlight clearly has a deleterious effect on him, he started to melt. Charlie Mason would have fit right in, he could have been Donald's chief adviser and would have made a better POTUS.
 
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All the makings of a corrupt pardon and perhaps a good one to challenge, after using it against Flynn and gathering evidence of conspiracy or perjury.
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’Any and all possible offenses’: Trump pardon grants Flynn a sweeping reprieve - POLITICO

’Any and all possible offenses’: Trump pardon grants Flynn a sweeping reprieve
The formal language, revealed Monday, clears the former national security adviser of any crimes he might have committed connected to the Mueller investigation.

President Donald Trump’s pardon of his former national security adviser, Michael Flynn, includes an extremely broad reprieve from any possible crimes he might have committed connected to special counsel Robert Mueller’s two-year investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election.

The formal language of the pardon emerged in a Justice Department court filing on Monday seeking dismissal of the lingering criminal case against Flynn, who pleaded guilty in 2017 to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russia. Flynn has since renounced his plea and accused prosecutors and investigators of framing him, charges echoed by Trump as he battled the Mueller probe.

The case has been pending before U.S. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan for nearly three years. Sullivan has been considering the Justice Department’s effort to dismiss the case since the spring, appointing an outside adviser who urged him to reject the dismissal as an obvious political effort to protect an ally of the president.

Trump’s pardon absolves Flynn of “any and all possible offenses” arising from Mueller’s investigation, as well as any related grand jury proceedings. The clemency grant uses sweeping language, immunizing Flynn from charges based on “facts and circumstances, known to, identified by, or in any manner related to the investigation of the Special Counsel.”

Some legal experts described Trump‘s move as perhaps the broadest act of clemency since President Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon in 1974.

“Pardons are typically directed at specific convictions or at a minimum at specific charges,” said Margy Love, former pardon attorney for Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton, who now leads the Collateral Consequences Resource Center. “I can think of only one other pardon as broad as this one, extending as it does to conduct that has not yet been charged, and that is the one that President Ford granted to Richard Nixon.”

"In fact, you might say that this pardon is even broader than the Nixon pardon, which was strictly cabined by his time as president,“ Love said. “In contrast, the pardon granted to Flynn appears to extend to conduct that took place prior to Trump‘s election to the presidency, and to bear no relationship to his service to the president, before or after the election.“

Even the broadly construed Iran-Contra pardons granted by Bush “were limited to conduct that took place in the service of the presidency,“ Love said.

Flynn‘s pardon appears to rule out a variety of other potential charges that his critics had suggested he might be open to even if he wound up getting off the hook on the false statement charge he pleaded guilty to in December 2017. The retired Army general and former Defense Intelligence Agency chief was still awaiting sentencing on that charge when Trump issued the grant of clemency last week.

Some legal experts said Flynn could be prosecuted for factual contradictions between what he told judges in 2017 and 2018 and what he later contended in a declaration submitted to the court as part of his attempt to withdraw his guilty plea. In its filing, the Justice Department emphasized that it viewed Trump’s pardon as including any potential “criminal contempt” that Sullivan might have been contemplating based on Flynn’s reversal.

“Accordingly, the President’s pardon, which General Flynn has accepted, moots this case,” prosecutor Jocelyn Ballantine wrote.

There were also questions about whether he might face prosecution for contradictions with statements he made during grand jury appearances, as well his criminal liability on several potential charges related to his work for Turkish interests in 2016 while serving as a top campaign adviser to Trump.

Flynn’s lobbying firm registered for the work on behalf of a firm based in the Netherlands, but prosecutors contend that the Turkish governor was the real client or at least enjoyed some control over the project, which paid $600,000 to Flynn’s consulting practice at the height of the presidential race.

A statement Flynn agreed to in connection with his guilty plea suggested he was aware that some facts in submissions to the Justice Department about the work were not accurate. But Flynn later contended he’d simply failed to look at the filings as closely as he should have and that any inaccuracies were the responsibility of his attorneys.

Some legal precedent suggests pardons may be valid only if they are agreed to by their recipients, but the Justice Department’s filing also weighs in on this point, saying: “General Flynn has accepted the President’s pardon.”
 
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topcat said:
"On to the SCOTUS", sez Jenna whoever. The Supremes won't even hear this trash, they have serious issues to decide.
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Many cases have been heard and overturned. Don't count the Court out. It will be very interesting to see how it goes. Having doubt about a close Election is just not right.
 
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smokin away said:
Many cases have been heard and overturned. Don't count the Court out. It will be very interesting to see how it goes. Having doubt about a close Election is just not right.
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What case? Without specific allegations and proof, there is no case, that's why they've been thrown out. Doubt all you like, but bring proof and don't lie to the judge.
 
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