Ready for the supreme court to steal the election?

schuylaar

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Take it like they always do. Merica!

Maybe another woman's rally or a take over in Portland. Americans think their political system is great even if a person loses the Presidency with 3 million more votes.

My guess is if Trump can win those keys states again it doesn't matter if he loses with 7 or even 8 million more votes against him.

The major corporations loved his tax breaks, they don't want to see him lose.
i wouldn't be so sure about this anymore..even Zuckerburg has broken with him.
 

hanimmal

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i wouldn't be so sure about this anymore..even Zuckerburg has broken with him.
I am not counting on Zuck doing the thing that is best for America anytime soon.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/facebook-news-zuckerberg-conservative-liberal/2020/10/26/04722572-1464-11eb-bc10-40b25382f1be_story.html
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When the world’s largest social media platform unveiled its new Facebook News last year, the company emphasized how much it would do to help struggling local news organizations.

The feature “was built to bring people closer to the stories that affect their lives,” according to the marketing language. Facebook News also promised to generate revenue for some news sites, thus shoring up their troubled finances.

But Lindsay Schrupp says that it hasn’t worked out that way for her local news operation. And she blames Facebook’s founder and CEO for hurting left-leaning organizations like hers while coddling right-wing figures like Jared Kushner and Ben Shapiro who have successfully cultivated him, according to recent Wall Street Journal reporting.

“Mark Zuckerberg is putting his finger on the scale and saying what is or isn’t news,” said Schrupp, the top editor of Courier Newsroom, which has started local news sites in swing states
— Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, Virginia, North Carolina and Pennsylvania — with a liberal bent and funding from politically connected backers.

Facebook launches a charm offensive — and vows to pay (some) news organizations for their journalism

The Courier sites — for example, UpNorthNews in Wisconsin or Gander in Michigan — aren’t allowed on Facebook’s “news tab,” which is where users find a concentration of journalism, or what passes for it. In this election week, they also are banned from “boosting” their content with advertising.

That’s because their funding mostly comes from Acronym, a nonprofit with deep ties to Democratic politics that has received criticism for its lack of transparency; the Center for Responsive Politics, among others, calls it a “dark money” group.

But Schrupp says there’s a clear separation between the news side of Courier and its funders, that their staff-produced reporting is largely about local issues, and that they are transparent with readers about how they function. Even Courier’s critics acknowledge that the sites are fact-based, not peddling conspiracy theories.

One thing is clear: Far fewer of Facebook’s billions of users will see the sites, which at this moment are geared toward encouraging voting in those states.

Meanwhile, Schrupp points out, such right-wing media sites as Breitbart, the Federalist and the Blaze function largely unfettered. She says this is, at least partly, because Courier is upfront about its funding sources while others are far more opaque.

No surprise, then, that the top-performing Facebook posts — day after day — are dominated by pro-Trump voices or sites like Fox News, Breitbart, Franklin Graham and Ben Shapiro.

“What sticks out, when you dig in to the data, is just how dominant the Facebook right truly is,” wrote Kevin Roose of the New York Times, who tracks those posts daily. “Pro-Trump political influencers have spent years building a well-oiled media machine . . . creating a torrent of viral commentary that reliably drowns out both the mainstream media and the liberal opposition.”

Schrupp strongly objects to what she calls “the outrageous false equivalency” that depicts Courier as the left-leaning counterpart of the burgeoning right-wing “pay-to-play” media sites that have cropped up as local newspapers have withered. “It’s infuriating,” she told me. “Our intent isn’t to spread misinformation, and we have clearly articulated journalistic standards and ethics.”

But, she complains, in making its decisions, Facebook doesn’t consider that. It only looks at the politics of Courier’s backers.

This is all happening amid seismic media transformation, in which Facebook has played a particularly fraught role. Along with Google, the other part of what’s been dubbed “the duopoly,” Facebook has sucked up most digital advertising revenue. Those dollars could have helped keep news organizations afloat as print advertising has cratered.

But for most news organizations, “Facebook remains a necessary evil,” said Emily Bell, director of Columbia University’s Tow Center for Digital Journalism.

“Facebook is a giant presence in the publishing environment, and in some cases it is in fact the publishing environment,” she wrote to me. Tow has done groundbreaking research on the “pink slime” sites that present themselves as legitimate local news but are largely right-wing aggregators, some of which charge clients for publishing what masquerades as news coverage.
Facebook has a huge truth problem. A high-priced ‘oversight board’ won’t fix it.

When Facebook adjusts its practices or tweaks its algorithm, those changes make a huge difference. Often, these days, it’s left-leaning news sites that take the hit.

Clara Jeffery, the top editor of Mother Jones, the progressive and widely admired magazine, reported last week that Facebook took specific steps to suppress her organization’s journalism.
“Average traffic from Facebook to our content decreased 37 percent,” after algorithm changes that Zuckerberg signed off on in 2018, she wrote — changes that also hurt liberal sites like Slate and ThinkProgress.

Zuckerberg’s moves may be overcompensation for the public criticism Facebook encountered after 2016 reports that staffers were suppressing conservative content. He’ll soon appear before Congress to address similar complaints about “censorship” of the New York Post’s dubious reporting about Hunter Biden’s laptop.

Meanwhile, Zuckerberg “has recently cultivated relationships with prominent conservatives,” the Wall Street Journal reported. He does so with help from a longtime board member, Peter Thiel, a prominent Trump backer, and Joel Kaplan, a top Facebook official with conservative ties; Zuckerberg also reportedly talks frequently with Trump’s son-in-law and adviser, Jared Kushner.

Facebook representatives respond by saying that the boss meets with groups and individuals of all political stripes, and that Facebook’s content decisions aren’t intended to affect traffic to individual media organizations.

But those decisions have long-lasting — often damaging — effects. Recall how media companies disastrously scrambled to “pivot to video” after Facebook suggested that would be the future.

The reasons that liberal sites have been stifled are various. For Courier, it’s because of its backer’s politics. For Mother Jones, it’s because of algorithm tweaks that have profound effects.

But the result is “ironically, what conservatives have consistently accused Facebook of doing to them,” Jeffery wrote, “with the perverse but entirely intended effect of causing it to bend over backwards for them instead.”

In other words, working the refs has been highly effective.

Zuckerberg’s viselike grip on company policy is a factor, too, as is the lack of transparency or recourse — despite plenty of corporate-speak to the contrary. Granted, his decisions may be less about his own political leanings and more about efforts to appear unbiased and, most of all, about protecting Facebook’s gargantuan profits from regulation.

But, whatever the motivation, Jeffery told me she finds it alarming: “Every editor and publisher should be worried about what we found.”

Given Facebook’s outsize influence at this hinge moment, every fair-minded citizen should be, too.
 

Lucky Luke

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Yeah, I agree. What is your point? Bush lost in 92, that was a long ass time ago. Almost 30 years bro.
In world politics it isnt that long. If you think about it Bush created the war with the Taliban and Trumps now surrendering to them.
 

Dryxi

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In world politics it isnt that long. If you think about it Bush created the war with the Taliban and Trumps now surrendering to them.
In 30 years the internet went from aol dial-up to what we have today. Social media went from kids on MySpace to the world on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, etc. Oftentimes, people use multiple.

It has been a long time and a ton has changed throughout the world. Even though it was only a couple Presidents ago.
 

hanimmal

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In 30 years the internet went from aol dial-up to what we have today. Social media went from kids on MySpace to the world on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, etc. Oftentimes, people use multiple.

It has been a long time and a ton has changed throughout the world. Even though it was only a couple Presidents ago.
Just because the speed of our society has been imessurably altered, doesn't mean that a handful of decades is not a relatively short period of time in our nation. Especially when we are so quick to ruin the next 30-50 years of someone's life just because they made some bad decisions as a kid/young adult and/or were born into a family that was kept out of the economic growth that our nation experienced during our suburbanization.
 

smokinrav

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In 30 years the internet went from aol dial-up to what we have today. Social media went from kids on MySpace to the world on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, etc. Oftentimes, people use multiple.

It has been a long time and a ton has changed throughout the world. Even though it was only a couple Presidents ago.
In 1990 the Internet barely existed beyond newsgroups and government agencies. My Space wasn't a real Player online before 2003 and there were no kids on social media in the 90s at all because SM didn't exist. From wiki

"Myspace was acquired by News Corporation in July 2005 for $580 million, and in June 2006 surpassed Yahoo and Google to become the most visited website in the United States."

Facebook passed them in 2008. Then Google gobbled up everyone's lunch and Facebook had to reinvent their revenue model after Google with in content advertising iirc
 
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VILEPLUME

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In 1990 the Internet barely existed beyond newsgroups and government agencies. My Space wasn't a real Player online before 2003 and there were no kids on social media in the 90s at all because SM didn't exist. From wiki

"Myspace was acquired by News Corporation in July 2005 for $580 million, and in June 2006 surpassed Yahoo and Google to become the most visited website in the United States."

Facebook passed them in 2008. Then Google gobbled up everyone's lunch and Facebook had to reinvent their revenue model after Google with in content advertising iirc
Look, it comes to down to people not wanting to feel old. My wife's mom is turning 60 and she had a major panic attack which lead to hospitalization. She said "what have I actually done in 60 years?". If I was turning 60 and the world was in this state of mass consumerism, factory farming, slaves making our stuff in 3rd world countries, climate change and rising temps at an alarming rate, id feel like I fucked up feeding this machine for that long.

Crazy conspiracy theory, but I think the planet is trying to kill all of these old people on purpose.
 
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