Help! Deicphering an organic fert

[Overgrowtho]

Hi buddies, I'm living in Asia where we have limited access to cannabis specific nutes, let alone organic hydro/soil-less ones.

Now I am doing a grow with seedlings in a soil-less mix with 20% worm castings. However I plan to transplant to organic super soil when they leave the seedling stage to start vegging.

I've also got a couple of seedlings in a pro-mix kind of 50-50 perlite and peat/pertlite which NEEDS nutrients.

Anyways I have a Royal Project 3 part (A, B, C) nutrient solution from the country I am living in. The seller as been less than helpful in filling me in about the details of them, or how to use them. The language barrier was also an issue. Below are two images of details they sent me, which they kindly translated to English.


I have a few questions:
1. Do you think this 400 "times" is talking about 400 PPM for week 2-3 onwards?

2. I've calculated that if tripling the A nutrient as advised, the NPK will be like: 7.3-1.3-11.4.
Any thoughts on this ratio of organic nutrients? Does it seem to be okay for cannabis or need some other supports?

3. To me it seems this is very heavy on the K and lacking on the P. I wonder why they formulated in this strange way that I cannot even modulate for veg and flower. Of course it seems this was not designed at all for cannabis.

4. But still worth using at all? (Seeing as we have no access to organic liquird ferts here, apart from this and a very limited selection)? If using, what would you supplement with?

5. Any other observations on this?

 

[Overgrowtho]

Bump

 

[xtsho]

That is confusing. The way I read it is the 400 times is the dilution rate. For instance:

A = 3 ml
B = 1 ml
C = 1 ml

5 ml total

X 400 = 2 liters

So I take that to mean you mix those amounts of each to 2 liters of water. Looks like at week 4 - 8 you use those amounts for 1 liter of water.

What do the labels on the product say? Do they list the ingredients?

 

[Overgrowtho]

Hi @xtsho thanks for that. They said it is correct as you've understood.

However I have not been able to find any details on the ingredients. When I asked, they havent told me yet....

I asked various hydro nute companies here, and some replied that they cannot tell, or they gave me a few details like "fish" and "molasses" but nothing substantial beyond that:


Does that answer make sense at all??? Is it true that organic hydro ferts are not tracking NPK?

 

[Overgrowtho]

I've been told it is made of "fish and plants" hahaha

It seems like most the local organic hydro/liquid nutes in my country are from fish.

What do you think of the suitability of this? And about the product in question?

 

[Wastei]

I've been told it is made of "fish and plants" hahaha

It seems like most the local organic hydro/liquid nutes in my country are from fish.

What do you think of the suitability of this? And about the product in question?

I would suggest staying away from organics and nasties if you're planning on running hydro.

OT: I won't pay money for broken down fish waste and plant matter. Will probably work well in soil. Get an EC/ppm meter so you know you're not overferting.

Best of luck!

 

[BluntMoniker]

Have you tried just buying organic fertilizer compounds instead of organic bottled nutrients? I feel like sourcing those items would be much easier, and then finding a "recipe" to build your soil is as simple as reading around the organics section.

Could use different "meals" (bone meal, crustacean meal, feather meal, fish meal, egg shell meal, karanja meal, etc), rock dusts, and other such amendments to build a viable organic soil, without the need for marijuana specific (or any liquid) plant food.

Then you can just follow a recipe to make the soil, and beyond that, all you'd need to do is add water, and the occasional top dressing of additional dry amendments if needed.

 

[Overgrowtho]

I have organic super soil so I think I'll just use that with top dressings.

But I was thinking of experimenting with hydro in the future.

The idea that organic hydro is a no-no is interesting.... could the same be said for soil-less mediums however?

 

[Northwood]

I have organic super soil so I think I'll just use that with top dressings.

But I was thinking of experimenting with hydro in the future.

The idea that organic hydro is a no-no is interesting.... could the same be said for soil-less mediums however?

I personally believe we can do "organic hydro" if that's your wish. I've seen cultures in SE Asia that have successfully applied "hydro" (with rice) for literally thousands of years without external inputs by flooding certain paddies and growing fish in them. It's like rotation, but also the water from the fish water above flows to rice terraces below. Hard to believe that aquaponics has been around so long, but it obviously works. Coincidentally I've never seen people in such great shape before. 10 year old kids made me feel embarrassed and weak. lol