Nute burn on young plant

Carbonfylter

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Hey all, I started growing this gal about 2 weeks ago, haven't added anything besides RO water and for some reason she's getting burned. This didn't happen to my other plants, all I add is water PHd to 6.3-6.5 - northern lights auto, soil is pure FFOF any opinions and suggestions to deal with this are super appreciated.1600028951581940486388580403403.jpg
 

Steveo123

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Hey all, I started growing this gal about 2 weeks ago, haven't added anything besides RO water and for some reason she's getting burned. This didn't happen to my other plants, all I add is water PHd to 6.3-6.5 - northern lights auto, soil is pure FFOF any opinions and suggestions to deal with this are super appreciated.View attachment 4682793
When was the last watering? Your soil looks a little dry...?
 

Carbonfylter

Active Member
stop ph'ing your water. You can use tap water without changing it.
Interesting, someone else also suggested this on another thread. I've never heard not to PH when theyre young - is it so they stay watered but not within the PH range thats going to absorb too much nutrients?
 

Wizzlebiz

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Interesting, someone else also suggested this on another thread. I've never heard not to PH when theyre young - is it so they stay watered but not within the PH range thats going to absorb too much nutrients?
When plants are young it is assumed fresh soil is used.

Fresh soil has microbes that deliver nutrients to your plants with no Ph balancing required.

After a while those microbes become inactive and can no longer do that job.

This leaves 2 choices.

1 reactivate the microbes (takes a while)
2 give nutrients Ph balanced which allows for absorption
 

Carbonfylter

Active Member
When plants are young it is assumed fresh soil is used.

Fresh soil has microbes that deliver nutrients to your plants with no Ph balancing required.

After a while those microbes become inactive and can no longer do that job.

This leaves 2 choices.

1 reactivate the microbes (takes a while)
2 give nutrients Ph balanced which allows for absorption
Thanks for sharing your knowledge! that being said though since my plant is being burned does that mean its doomed to continue burning due to microbes delivering nutes or will avoiding PHing help with the uptake of too many nutes?
 

Wizzlebiz

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Thanks for sharing your knowledge! that being said though since my plant is being burned does that mean its doomed to continue burning due to microbes delivering nutes or will avoiding PHing help with the uptake of too many nutes?
There is no damage to be done Phing your water through this phase that I am aware of.

FFoF is just a hot mix. People have issues with it.

Are you seeing growth slow down? If not it will probably work itself out as the plant becomes more hardy.
 

polishpollack

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What's been said about water is wrong. You don't pH water because in doing so, you've altered its content which isn't necessary and can harmful. Soil pH isn't consistant from one area to another. pH'ing water implies that 1) soil pH is the same throughout, and 2) that changing pH of water puts the soil in desirable pH range from top to bottom. It doesn't. pH varies in soil to such a degree that it can't be manipulated without reducing effectiveness. The pH charts that people keep putting up here are worthless for that reason. The chart implies that good pH is in a zone that prompts nutrient uptake across the board, meaning all nutrients can be absorbed properly provided that soil pH sits in a zone of, say, 6.2-6.5 for example. That idea is only partially correct... and misleading as it prompts people to think they can put soil in that optimal zone by pH'ing their water. This idea is wrong. The idea that microbes reach a point where they become inactive it also wrong. The only way that would happen is if they run completely out of food. Pretty unlikely. That's the value of a supersoil mix as the granular ferts provide tons of food for microbes.
Flushing is another silly issue that people believe. On the surface flushing makes sense if you believe that something is wrong with the soil, however, the best and only real way to grow in soil in to get it right at the beginning and avoid controlling the contents as the more you do that, the more you screw it up. FFOF is designed to give a grower the freedom to just add water. Your supposed to start plants in FF's light warrior or similar soil designed for seedlings, let the plant get to about 1 foot tall, then transplant into FFOF. Just add water. Don't pH it.
The most common thing I see in this forum is people complaining of problems and they always have details that indicate they are manipulating the grow by doing things to the soil - flushing, adding ferts, ph'ing. If you're using FFOF you don't really need to do that stuff. You might get to the final weeks and discover that you have some early leaf yellowing. If so, it might be a good idea to give a little feeding. However, even this can be avoided if you simply buy more FFOF soil and bigger container. So I guess you have a choice. You can either buy more soil or you can buy bottled ferts. One will give you a nearly guaranteed good grow, and the other will ruin it.
One of the hard parts of growing on your own is walking into a grow shop. They have all kinds of great-looking stuff and people develop that idea that they need at least some of it to have a great grow. Surprise! All you really need is good soil and un-pH'ed water. Pretty simple.

scroll up to the 48:00 minute mark where she talks about pH.
 
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Blue back

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All living plants need the water PH between 5.5-6.5. way under or over that will most definitely cause problems.
 

Budzbuddha

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FFOF can be a bit hard on plants up front ( IF you do not dump more nutes on it ) ... BUT they will temper it over time as it acclimates. She’s a bit Nitro tox but will in many circumstances come around with little effort.

I use Tap ( only checking the ph / ppm ) of it once in a while before use to KNOW where it falls in numbers. RO is sometimes stripped of calmag during filtering process and can show that during grow. Shes drunk on nitro .... next watering saturate entire container well. Let some of the host soil leach a little .
 
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