does the female of a reg seed carry more genetic material than a fem seed?

[Psychonautic83]

Well as the title asks.. Does the female of a reg seed carry more genetic material than a fem seed?

This seems to be something certain breeders claim without explicitly stating as a reason for using only regs in breeding.

Let's discuss!

 

[Hash Hound]

Once it's a female from a reg then I guess the male is left out because if you use it to make fems, there is no male genes present.
No male genes in made feminized seeds. I think thats right, not sure.

 

[T macc]

Well as the title asks.. Does the female of a reg seed carry more genetic material than a fem seed?

This seems to be something certain breeders claim without explicitly stating as a reason for using only regs in breeding.

Let's discuss!

Good question. It would be to ask, does a reg female have more dominance than a fem female.

My guess would be, its strain dependent, but I've never seen it mentioned.

 

[ilovereggae]

I think breeders do make fem seeds, but by nature there is a greater chance of herms so its not then used for further breeding. If you bred it with a photo male i am guessing it would just be unpredictable results meaning not all fems and possibly seeds with a herm trait. Could be wrong, someone with more expertise please clarify this.

 

[xtsho]

I don't know which if either carries more genetic material than the other but I've used both feminized and regular seeds for making seeds. I've pollinated feminized plants with both regular pollen from males and reversed pollen from feminized females. I've pollinated regular females with feminized and regular pollen. I've never had any hermies from any of the combinations of regular or feminized when making seeds.

Now I know people like to blame the genetics for hermies but I think that excuse is used far too often. I fully believe that much of what people blame on genetics is actually caused by the grower. Stress can cause hermies and stress can be caused by a number of factors. Overfeeding can cause stress and the way many people are dumping a dozen bottles of this and that on their plants I believe they are stressing them by overfeeding. There is also the fact that many of these nutrient companies are putting substances in their products that are not listed on the label including PGR's which can definitely cause hermies.

I'm not saying that hermie traits can't be passed down through genetics, I'm saying that genetics are an overused excuse when the cause is actually due to the grower and something they have done. As far as hermies being passed on through genetics, landrace Thai strains are knows for hermies and they have been used to create a good amount of the current modern strains.

Another common scapegoat for hermies is that the grow light was left on for a few hours longer than normal. I'm not going to link to a particular post but there have been numerous posts where a few hours of extra light or a couple pinholes in a tent were blamed. The plants in those posts are typically overfed, heat stressed, nasty looking plants which is more than likely the cause of any hermies. Not genetics and can't be blamed on the breeder.

I have no scientific proof to back up what is just my opinion but in my decades of growing I've had fewer plants hermie than some of the newer growers that have only a couple grows. I'm convinced that stress from overfeeding and dumping too much crap on plants is stressing the plants out resulting in the growing instances of people having hermies.

 

[ilovereggae]

I don't know which if either carries more genetic material than the other but I've used both feminized and regular seeds for making seeds. I've pollinated feminized plants with both regular pollen from males and reversed pollen from feminized females. I've pollinated regular females with feminized and regular pollen. I've never had any hermies from any of the combinations of regular or feminized when making seeds.

Now I know people like to blame the genetics for hermies but I think that excuse is used far too often. I fully believe that much of what people blame on genetics is actually caused by the grower. Stress can cause hermies and stress can be caused by a number of factors. Overfeeding can cause stress and the way many people are dumping a dozen bottles of this and that on their plants I believe they are stressing them by overfeeding. There is also the fact that many of these nutrient companies are putting substances in their products that are not listed on the label including PGR's which can definitely cause hermies.

I'm not saying that hermie traits can't be passed down through genetics, I'm saying that genetics are an overused excuse when the cause is actually due to the grower and something they have done. As far as hermies being passed on through genetics, landrace Thai strains are knows for hermies and they have been used to create a good amount of the current modern strains.

Another common scapegoat for hermies is that the grow light was left on for a few hours longer than normal. I'm not going to link to a particular post but there have been numerous posts where a few hours of extra light or a couple pinholes in a tent were blamed. The plants in those posts are typically overfed, heat stressed, nasty looking plants which is more than likely the cause of any hermies. Not genetics and can't be blamed on the breeder.

I have no scientific proof to back up what is just my opinion but in my decades of growing I've had fewer plants hermie than some of the newer growers that have only a couple grows. I'm convinced that stress from overfeeding and dumping too much crap on plants is stressing the plants out resulting in the growing instances of people having hermies.

I totally agree about stress causing herms, and there's one other factor one of my old heads showed me. A lot of times genetics that are coming from a totally different microclimate will need a round or 2 to climatize. He said after years of experiments his method is to veg from seed until presex shows they are mature. Then clone them, and veg/flower the clones. If any pheno passes the keeper test I make a 2nd batch of clones and take a new Mom from one of those, and either flower the original outside, give it away or compost it. Ive always followed that advice and (knock on wood) have never gotten herms.

I also admit my knowledge regarding breeding w fems is 2nd hand anecdotes and broscience. I will defer to your actual results and shut up now lol.