Police Interactions.

hanimmal

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The paperwork still has to get done. Peoples identifications, alleged crimes, etc etc etc. Cant just put people in front of a judge, play a video, and sentence them. It doesnt work that way. Full and immediate disclosure of body cam footage would also remove people's right to privacy. Now with a case like Floyd, they definitely should have expedited the process of getting the body cam footage to the public. It still has not been officially released which is absolutely insane.
I was thinking more some administrative jobs in the PD could be the one doing the paper work, take statements from the officer kind of thing, not that paperwork wouldn't exist, but take that extra responsibility off the shoulders of the people in the street.

As for the video there is software to blur faces/FOIA stuff that would allow for it, similar to what the Detroit PD did in those cases above that conspiracies were being spread about. Police accountability needs to be re-evaluated. We can't keep harboring the criminals hiding behind a badge. At the end of the day they make the job more dangerous for the police that are not committing crimes and working hard to help us all be more safe.
 

Fogdog

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I was thinking more some administrative jobs in the PD could be the one doing the paper work, take statements from the officer kind of thing, not that paperwork wouldn't exist, but take that extra responsibility off the shoulders of the people in the street.

As for the video there is software to blur faces/FOIA stuff that would allow for it, similar to what the Detroit PD did in those cases above that conspiracies were being spread about. Police accountability needs to be re-evaluated. We can't keep harboring the criminals hiding behind a badge. At the end of the day they make the job more dangerous for the police that are not committing crimes and working hard to help us all be more safe.
You have a great idea there. Take the paperwork away from the officers. Record their testimony during a debrief at the end of the shift and pay clerks to do the job. When arrests or other incidents arise, compare video records with debriefing records. With legal ramifications if the officer lies or the clerk's paperwork doesn't match testimony. Lawyers on both sides having access to all recordings and files. An idea worth exploring.
 

UncleBuck

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On Facebook today, I saw a contractor posting services he offered. I was interested in getting quotes for the house. Checked out his profile. He posted 1 week ago that he supports killing cops.

Yesterday, I called 911. I pulled into my street and a car was parked, girl was hanging out passenger door, head on ground not moving. I park, jump out and dude hops out of drivers seat. His neck was all scratched, knuckles bleeding. They both were in an altercation. She finally moved her head, crying said he hit me. Dudes telling me she hit him. I told them both it isn't my business, just wanted to make sure she was okay. Get back in my car, call 911. Cop was there in 1.5 minutes.

This is probably all irrelevant to this thread but whats going on around us is fucked up on both sides. I 100% support BLM but I'll never support the killing of cops. I shared the story because they were there when I needed them to deal with a fucked up situation. I'm not here to debate, just share that it's fucked up. It's a mess on all sides.
It is ok to kill cops, especially white cops
 

hanimmal

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It would be a spooky thing to look out your window and see a couple dozen heavily geared up cops hiding in your bushes.

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By Lizzy Acker | The Oregonian/OregonLive


As Portland’s protests against police violence and systemic racism continue nightly, community members are struggling with the incursion of police and demonstrators into neighborhoods.

Karen Roberts is still unnerved by an experience she had earlier this month.

“It has shaken me to my core,” she said. “I’m not going to lie.”

Roberts lives several blocks away from the Penumbra Kelly Building on East 47th Avenue and Burnside Street, a police building and occasional focal point of protests.

On Aug. 7, Roberts said she and her husband heard the announcement from police over a loudspeaker and went out to their porch. A neighbor was outside his apartment too, she said.

“All of a sudden,” she said, “something caught our eye, and then over on the other side of the street in the shadow was people.”

Her neighbor turned on his iPhone flashlight to get a better look, she said, and they realized there were about 10 police officers in full riot gear, in uniforms with the word “police” written across the back, waiting quietly on her street, “hiding in the bushes.”

At least one other person living in the neighborhood reported seeing officers hiding in bushes that night.

Lt. Greg Pashley, a spokesperson for the Portland Police Bureau, said police officers are allowed to station themselves on private property.

Roberts said they asked the officers if they were with the Portland Police Bureau and they wouldn’t say.

According to Pashley, officers in the bureau are governed by directive 0312.50 Identification when it comes to identifying themselves to the public.

“Generally, officers are to identify themselves with a name and business card,” he said. “There are exceptions spelled out in the directive, such as circumstances that it would be unsafe to do so or impair the performance of duties.”

“The agency name is on the card, and usually on outer garments such as patches and badges,” Pashley added.

But Roberts said when they were asked to identify themselves, instead, they threatened her neighbor, saying, “Turn your flashlight off or we will come back and arrest you -- we know where you live.”

“It was chilling,” Roberts said.

Roberts stayed on her porch that night for about three hours, taking bathroom breaks and coming back to see what was happening in her neighborhood.

“It got scarier as the night went on,” she said.

The number of officers she saw grew to about 30, in what she called random uniforms.

“I didn’t feel safe,” she said, after “three hours of men hiding in the bushes with weapons who would not identify themselves.”

She didn’t know who to call, she said. But she didn’t think she could call the police on the police.

Roberts isn’t the only person who has reported unsettling interactions with police in neighborhoods as the protest in Portland near 80 consecutive nights.

Otti Sabina lives in North Portland, near another focal point of protests, the police union building on North Lombard Street.

Sabina said she lived near a church where officers have gathered. On a recent evening, she said she approached officers in her neighborhood.

“I went down there to ask the question I keep asking,” Sabina said, “which is why does it make sense to show up to a protest in full riot gear? How is that going to deescalate the situation?”


The police, she said, did not take kindly to her questions.

“He refused to have any actual dialogue with me,” Sabina said, “he just wanted to deflect and deflect.”

“If you’re not going to answer a valid question from a concerned citizen that lived in this neighborhood,” Sabina said she told the officer, “I would appreciate it if you guys would get off my street.”

Sabina said the male officer then stepped towards her and said, “What, you want to dance?”

“If we cannot ask a question of our police,” she said, “we are so far from a democracy.”

According to Pashley, Portland police “strive to be present as much as possible in neighborhoods.”

“We hope that members of the community will seek us out to get to know the officers that work in their neighborhood,” he said. “It can be difficult to do that at the time officers are involved in a call or circumstance that is in progress or ongoing. It might be beneficial to seek out those interactions at other times.”

Pashley said that the shortage of police officers had made connecting with community members more difficult.

“I’m sorry to hear somebody did not have a positive interaction,” he said, adding he is not aware of the specific anecdotes described here.

“Recent nightly violence by individuals has drawn officers from their usual presence in the community as well,” Pashley said. “Still, the Police Bureau offers opportunities to connect. We have a variety of advisory councils, we are present at community events, and we have tons of information on our website including our directives, videos, information on many years of work reforming the bureau, and more.”

But for some people living in neighborhoods with a heavy police presence, those options aren’t enough.

Sabina is one of a group of people supporting a petition to “Demilitarize North Portland.”

The petition, which calls “for the immediate cessation of militarized police activity on our streets” had 172 signatures on Friday afternoon.

-- Lizzy Acker


 

CannaOnerStar

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I found this youtube channel a while back and its been interesting watching some of those videos. It really shows how messed up policing is and how incompetent idiots some cops are. Also how messed up the laws in general are.

I highly recommend checking it out:


 

schuylaar

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It would be a spooky thing to look out your window and see a couple dozen heavily geared up cops hiding in your bushes.

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By Lizzy Acker | The Oregonian/OregonLive


As Portland’s protests against police violence and systemic racism continue nightly, community members are struggling with the incursion of police and demonstrators into neighborhoods.

Karen Roberts is still unnerved by an experience she had earlier this month.

“It has shaken me to my core,” she said. “I’m not going to lie.”

Roberts lives several blocks away from the Penumbra Kelly Building on East 47th Avenue and Burnside Street, a police building and occasional focal point of protests.

On Aug. 7, Roberts said she and her husband heard the announcement from police over a loudspeaker and went out to their porch. A neighbor was outside his apartment too, she said.

“All of a sudden,” she said, “something caught our eye, and then over on the other side of the street in the shadow was people.”

Her neighbor turned on his iPhone flashlight to get a better look, she said, and they realized there were about 10 police officers in full riot gear, in uniforms with the word “police” written across the back, waiting quietly on her street, “hiding in the bushes.”

At least one other person living in the neighborhood reported seeing officers hiding in bushes that night.

Lt. Greg Pashley, a spokesperson for the Portland Police Bureau, said police officers are allowed to station themselves on private property.

Roberts said they asked the officers if they were with the Portland Police Bureau and they wouldn’t say.

According to Pashley, officers in the bureau are governed by directive 0312.50 Identification when it comes to identifying themselves to the public.

“Generally, officers are to identify themselves with a name and business card,” he said. “There are exceptions spelled out in the directive, such as circumstances that it would be unsafe to do so or impair the performance of duties.”

“The agency name is on the card, and usually on outer garments such as patches and badges,” Pashley added.

But Roberts said when they were asked to identify themselves, instead, they threatened her neighbor, saying, “Turn your flashlight off or we will come back and arrest you -- we know where you live.”

“It was chilling,” Roberts said.

Roberts stayed on her porch that night for about three hours, taking bathroom breaks and coming back to see what was happening in her neighborhood.

“It got scarier as the night went on,” she said.

The number of officers she saw grew to about 30, in what she called random uniforms.

“I didn’t feel safe,” she said, after “three hours of men hiding in the bushes with weapons who would not identify themselves.”

She didn’t know who to call, she said. But she didn’t think she could call the police on the police.

Roberts isn’t the only person who has reported unsettling interactions with police in neighborhoods as the protest in Portland near 80 consecutive nights.

Otti Sabina lives in North Portland, near another focal point of protests, the police union building on North Lombard Street.

Sabina said she lived near a church where officers have gathered. On a recent evening, she said she approached officers in her neighborhood.

“I went down there to ask the question I keep asking,” Sabina said, “which is why does it make sense to show up to a protest in full riot gear? How is that going to deescalate the situation?”


The police, she said, did not take kindly to her questions.

“He refused to have any actual dialogue with me,” Sabina said, “he just wanted to deflect and deflect.”

“If you’re not going to answer a valid question from a concerned citizen that lived in this neighborhood,” Sabina said she told the officer, “I would appreciate it if you guys would get off my street.”

Sabina said the male officer then stepped towards her and said, “What, you want to dance?”

“If we cannot ask a question of our police,” she said, “we are so far from a democracy.”

According to Pashley, Portland police “strive to be present as much as possible in neighborhoods.”

“We hope that members of the community will seek us out to get to know the officers that work in their neighborhood,” he said. “It can be difficult to do that at the time officers are involved in a call or circumstance that is in progress or ongoing. It might be beneficial to seek out those interactions at other times.”

Pashley said that the shortage of police officers had made connecting with community members more difficult.

“I’m sorry to hear somebody did not have a positive interaction,” he said, adding he is not aware of the specific anecdotes described here.

“Recent nightly violence by individuals has drawn officers from their usual presence in the community as well,” Pashley said. “Still, the Police Bureau offers opportunities to connect. We have a variety of advisory councils, we are present at community events, and we have tons of information on our website including our directives, videos, information on many years of work reforming the bureau, and more.”

But for some people living in neighborhoods with a heavy police presence, those options aren’t enough.

Sabina is one of a group of people supporting a petition to “Demilitarize North Portland.”

The petition, which calls “for the immediate cessation of militarized police activity on our streets” had 172 signatures on Friday afternoon.

-- Lizzy Acker


welcome to Trumps* America!
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
I found this youtube channel a while back and its been interesting watching some of those videos. It really shows how messed up policing is and how incompetent idiots some cops are. Also how messed up the laws in general are.

I highly recommend checking it out:


hush, foreigner
 

mysunnyboy

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“Last Friday night I was standing outside of a barbershop in Cincinnati, Oh,with a small group of mostly black men, when this officer walked over to a group of us. He looked around curiously and said “I don’t see a car blocking an intersection” while shaking his head. I asked him what was he talking about. He said someone called and reported that we had a car blocking the intersection. He paused for a minute and shook his head again. In that moment we both nodded and acknowledged what had just happened. Someone basically saw our group and made a false report. I asked him how long he had been on the job and he said 10 months. He asked what we were doing at the barbershop and so told him about the barbershop challenge Men of Courage and Ford Fund has sponsored. I asked if he wanted to come inside. He said he wanted to, but didn’t want to spoil the fun with his presence. Again we both nodded and acknowledged the reality of distrust between the community and police officers. I offered to take him inside so he could meet the owners and establish a relationship. I told him that someone has to take the first step to healing these relationships. He said he wanted to, but was unsure of what the reaction would be. I told him it would be cool and that Jerome Bettis and a host of other amazing people were inside. He lit up like a lightbulb and said “No way The Bus is in there”, with a kid like smile. I said hold on, I’ll grab him and have him come out. Jerome Bettis came out and the officer stood there with his mouth agape before saying “if my dad was still alive he would be so excited, because you were his favorite player”. We all stopped and sat in the moment before they went on to take a selfie together. It was one of those moments that reminded me of our humaneness, our frailties and our similarities. In that moment we were all just men navigating the world without the mask we are taught and trained to wear. I could have taken my offense to the call out on the officer and accused him of being a racist cop. He could have believed the caller and acted based on stereotypes about black men in groups. But we chose to just see each other and talk like humans. It’s ultimately a decision we can all make. When he lit up like a kid at seeing his dad’s sports hero, I saw a little boy and the uniform no longer mattered. We can collectively choose to see beyond the uniforms we all wear. It’s not easy and there is a lot of work to be done, but if we can at least start seeing each other, I believe things will get better. #writingmywrongs Photo credit Ernest Sisson Jr.“
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insomnia65

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This is obviously racist, did he ask the white guy for ID, I could write wtf the cop did wrong for hours but it's not worth it, I feel for the student, doing a crappy job and then on top of that gets an idiot who tries to show how much more powerful he is.
 

Fogdog

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Portland on edge after suspect in weekend killing is fatally shot by police



"If the cops want this to stop, how is coming out here and killing us helping? That's literally why we are out here," said Teal Lindseth, protest organizer who met Reinoehl at a gathering outside the county jail early on in the demonstrations. "They aren't giving us a day in court and are shooting us before asking questions."
 
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