seedlings with wrinkled leafs (photo)

WeedMan2020

WeedMan2020

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Mine started like that and I ignored it, then this happened:
IMG_20200819_164430.jpg

Came here and found a few good guys that helped me out with troubleshooting what the reason behind it could be.

The things we'd looked at were:

• Water PH
• Room Temperature
• Room Humidity
• Nitrogen Toxicity
• Lights too close
• Soil too hot (Nutrient Rich)

I'd noticed the temperature for a few days had increased drastically to around 30-35°C (85-95°F), so I started leaving the tent open while the lights are on and to increase the humidity I'd put a big bowl of water in the tent.

I'd also noticed my light was producing a lot of the heat and my plant was very short and bushy, so I raised it for a few days to see how she would react and almost instantly the plant started stretching for the light within a day or two and the heat on the canopy had decreased a lot.

Another thing I wasn't testing my PH properly and didn't realize my PH levels were around 8.0 which is not good for your plants at all, so I invested in a PH meter and started by flushing my soil and correcting the soil PH with just plain PH'd water.

I was a bit skeptical on the Nitrogen Toxicity as I was only giving her plain water, but after a bit of research I'd found out that maybe my PH was locking out the plant from uptaking nutrients from the soil or maybe it could be increasing the amount of Nitrogen it's uptaking.
So my opinion if that was possibly the problem, then the previous step I took by flushing the soil should resolve it.

Now this is what I later read about and understoodand that could've potentially been the main reason behind all this and that's the soil being too nutritious. For example, Fox Farm Soil is rich in nutrients and can feed your plant for a good few weeks without any additional nutrients being added. If you add extra nutrients early on then there's a high possibility of seeing deficiencies/toxicities on your plant.

After all these slight alterations, I'd managed to get her looking like this in just under 2 weeks:
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After that I just did a bit of trimming and got rid of all the old growth that wasn't really that beneficial and that had been affected earlier with a bit more LST, she now looks like this on day 39:
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HydroKid239

HydroKid239

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WeedMan2020 said:
Mine started like that and I ignored it, then this happened:
View attachment 4667796

Came here and found a few good guys that helped me out with troubleshooting what the reason behind it could be.

The things we'd looked at were:

• Water PH
• Room Temperature
• Room Humidity
• Nitrogen Toxicity
• Lights too close
• Soil too hot (Nutrient Rich)

I'd noticed the temperature for a few days had increased drastically to around 30-35°C (85-95°F), so I started leaving the tent open while the lights are on and to increase the humidity I'd put a big bowl of water in the tent.

I'd also noticed my light was producing a lot of the heat and my plant was very short and bushy, so I raised it for a few days to see how she would react and almost instantly the plant started stretching for the light within a day or two and the heat on the canopy had decreased a lot.

Another thing I wasn't testing my PH properly and didn't realize my PH levels were around 8.0 which is not good for your plants at all, so I invested in a PH meter and started by flushing my soil and correcting the soil PH with just plain PH'd water.

I was a bit skeptical on the Nitrogen Toxicity as I was only giving her plain water, but after a bit of research I'd found out that maybe my PH was locking out the plant from uptaking nutrients from the soil or maybe it could be increasing the amount of Nitrogen it's uptaking.
So my opinion if that was possibly the problem, then the previous step I took by flushing the soil should resolve it.

Now this is what I later read about and understoodand that could've potentially been the main reason behind all this and that's the soil being too nutritious. For example, Fox Farm Soil is rich in nutrients and can feed your plant for a good few weeks without any additional nutrients being added. If you add extra nutrients early on then there's a high possibility of seeing deficiencies/toxicities on your plant.

After all these slight alterations, I'd managed to get her looking like this in just under 2 weeks:
View attachment 4667819

After that I just did a bit of trimming and got rid of all the old growth that wasn't really that beneficial and that had been affected earlier with a bit more LST, she now looks like this on day 39:
View attachment 4667821
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SHe just wanted some attention... women
 
Skyhound

Skyhound

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i measure my ph tp 6.2/6.3 , that is the good range for my soil . My soil is well know , its all mix from biobizz, anyone have a clue if it could be the problem ? Also my humidity last days was very low like 34% . if u notice in the pick they even form some circular shapes
 
WeedMan2020

WeedMan2020

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Skyhound said:
i measure my ph tp 6.2/6.3 , that is the good range for my soil . My soil is well know , its all mix from biobizz, anyone have a clue if it could be the problem ? Also my humidity last days was very low like 34% . if u notice in the pick they even form some circular shapes
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I've heard that BioBizz All-Mix is pretty much the alternative to Canna Terra Pro Mix, which means that it contains a fair amount of nutrients in the medium itself that could last for the first few weeks of your plants growth without the need to feed extra nutrients.
The reason behind it could most possibly be like you mentioned, like I'd mentioned previously that your soil being too hot causes symptoms like yours, especially if you add nutrients to your feeding early on.
Again it's all trial and error, your plant is still very young and has plenty of time to recover and get as healthy as she can be, so experiment with the things I'd mentioned before and hopefully that will help.
Good luck, keep us updated on her progress and happy growing!
 
Tetrahedral

Tetrahedral

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Skyhound said:
i measure my ph tp 6.2/6.3 , that is the good range for my soil . My soil is well know , its all mix from biobizz, anyone have a clue if it could be the problem ? Also my humidity last days was very low like 34% . if u notice in the pick they even form some circular shapes
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Feed it, your soil isn't strong enough.
 
Dapper_Dillinger

Dapper_Dillinger

Well-Known Member
WeedMan2020 said:
Mine started like that and I ignored it, then this happened:
View attachment 4667796

Came here and found a few good guys that helped me out with troubleshooting what the reason behind it could be.

The things we'd looked at were:

• Water PH
• Room Temperature
• Room Humidity
• Nitrogen Toxicity
• Lights too close
• Soil too hot (Nutrient Rich)

I'd noticed the temperature for a few days had increased drastically to around 30-35°C (85-95°F), so I started leaving the tent open while the lights are on and to increase the humidity I'd put a big bowl of water in the tent.

I'd also noticed my light was producing a lot of the heat and my plant was very short and bushy, so I raised it for a few days to see how she would react and almost instantly the plant started stretching for the light within a day or two and the heat on the canopy had decreased a lot.

Another thing I wasn't testing my PH properly and didn't realize my PH levels were around 8.0 which is not good for your plants at all, so I invested in a PH meter and started by flushing my soil and correcting the soil PH with just plain PH'd water.

I was a bit skeptical on the Nitrogen Toxicity as I was only giving her plain water, but after a bit of research I'd found out that maybe my PH was locking out the plant from uptaking nutrients from the soil or maybe it could be increasing the amount of Nitrogen it's uptaking.
So my opinion if that was possibly the problem, then the previous step I took by flushing the soil should resolve it.

Now this is what I later read about and understoodand that could've potentially been the main reason behind all this and that's the soil being too nutritious. For example, Fox Farm Soil is rich in nutrients and can feed your plant for a good few weeks without any additional nutrients being added. If you add extra nutrients early on then there's a high possibility of seeing deficiencies/toxicities on your plant.

After all these slight alterations, I'd managed to get her looking like this in just under 2 weeks:
View attachment 4667819

After that I just did a bit of trimming and got rid of all the old growth that wasn't really that beneficial and that had been affected earlier with a bit more LST, she now looks like this on day 39:
View attachment 4667821
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How do you lower your ph ?
 
Dapper_Dillinger

Dapper_Dillinger

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JoeBlow5823 said:
Go to the hydro store and buy a bottle of ph down.
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I'm growing in soil using great white and feeding 15 ml big bloom per gal. Of water every other watering, I read that those ph down chemicals for hydro kill the beneficial bacteria, and was wondering if ther was vinegar or something else organic that works best in your experience, but thank you for stating the obvious...
 
JoeBlow5823

JoeBlow5823

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Dapper_Dillinger said:
I'm growing in soil using great white and feeding 15 ml big bloom per gal. Of water every other watering, I read that those ph down chemicals for hydro kill the beneficial bacteria, and was wondering if ther was vinegar or something else organic that works best in your experience, but thank you for stating the obvious...
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Sorry you didnt specifically say that. This is what i started using. Its super potent, i need to mix it with water so i can measure it out more accurately. A pinch drops 20 galls of water from 8.5 to 6.5ish (depending on how big of a pinch lol) 10 pounds will last you a lifetime.

Milliard Citric Acid 10 Pound - 100% Pure Food Grade NON-GMO Project VERIFIED (10 Pound): Spices And Seasonings: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

Milliard Citric Acid 10 Pound - 100% Pure Food Grade NON-GMO Project VERIFIED (10 Pound): Spices And Seasonings: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific
www.amazon.com
 
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Tetrahedral

Tetrahedral

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WeedMan2020 said:
Don't! BioBizz All-Mix comes already packed with nutrients for the first few weeks! Wouldn't surprise me if he fed it already at this stage and that's why this has happened! Have a look at Nitrogen Toxicity and you'll see what I mean.
(Speaking from experience, pictures above)
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All leaf edges would burn in the light from lack of water, if you apply too much nitrogen to your lawn outside you will see the same effect. I can agree if you showed me nitrogen tox seedlings but that one above isn't.
 
Tetrahedral

Tetrahedral

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Dapper_Dillinger said:
I'm growing in soil using great white and feeding 15 ml big bloom per gal. Of water every other watering, I read that those ph down chemicals for hydro kill the beneficial bacteria, and was wondering if ther was vinegar or something else organic that works best in your experience, but thank you for stating the obvious...
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Soil holds a vast resovoirs of buffers that keep its pH within the right range, adding amounts of pH up or down to nutrients is not going to make any difference in the soil. Don't do it.
 
Lifer99

Lifer99

Active Member
was your wilting coming from heat or nutrient imbalances or both? Im dealing with the same thing outside. Its been doing it the whole summer so im assuming its the heat because its in the 90s and humid as shit here every day. I dont really have alot of options besides going indoors or waiting until summer is over. I figured I would give it a shot to see if it was even possible. I have brought them back from the dead a time or two now.
 
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