Have you used defoliation to control stretch?

PadawanWarrior

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It's not a 1000 watt light. Can we please stop this nonsense?
Here's 1000 watts.
 

Hippieryan

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Here's 1000 watts.
thats a good looking unit
 

PadawanWarrior

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thats a good looking unit
No shit, I want one. Or 2 of these would be sweet in a 5x5 too, or in my 3x8 closet.

I can get 5% off through a link I have, so I'm tempted to order 1 of the X3 - 500's, but I still have unboxed HLG's upstairs, lol.
 

Hobbes

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What about changing the light to 10 on / 14 off for 3 weeks, reduce the energy the plant is getting to build stems.

Could there be problems switching back to 12/12 after stretch?

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Hobbes

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I'll update until stretch is done and post how much the plants have grown in flower.

A lot of the leaves have grown back, this is day 4 since defoliation.

The plant tops are now 28.5" from the light, recommended distance 29". I can't raise the light any higher.

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Hippieryan

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I'll update until stretch is done and post how much the plants have grown in flower.

A lot of the leaves have grown back, this is day 4 since defoliation.

The plant tops are now 28.5" from the light, recommended distance 29". I can't raise the light any higher.

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Wow I have to say I’m shocked how much they came back, I thought they where looking grim for a bit
 

newbplantgrower420

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Here's 1000 watts.
that puts out more light than a DE lol. Wonder what kind of ridiculous numbers per light you could pull with that after dialing everything in with it after a run or two.

Thats some serious firepower right there.
 

Flowki

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It's 2020 now and I actually cannot believe you are doing this to your plants when you have so much information to read here. For the last 10 year you can find topics of morons butchering plants and getting 0.3G per W as a result. I'm telling you as an absolute fact you will never, ever yield well by doing the bs you are doing right now. Swallow your pride, you are wrong, stop butchering if you want good yields. You can remove lowest leaves prior to flower but this is mostly done for access issues and root level airflow. It is not done for any bs bro science ''energy'' diversion although I concede some nergy ''might'' be saved when removing lower sights. Never the less, who ever you are reading or following telling you this massacre is a good idea you need to seriously ignore them. Start following people hitting 1.5/2 gpw and monkey see monkey do.

The stretch could be a number of factors. The spectrum of your light might not have enough blue in it and/or some kinda funky far red or something. You may also be keeping the light too high during early veg. Even young plants can take a lot of light if you can keep up with water/neut level demands and keep the general temps in range with good airflow.

Also check the neut line you are using and compare it with something like jacks, canna A+b if you must use liquids. Generally you want about 65 to 70f temps at the root zone max. 75-85 at the canopy min/max (assuming led). You will not be able to do this with no leaf shading but it;s actually important to do. Eliminate these issues and check your neut/light issues, stop butchering middle/upper leaves and you are 80% there.
 
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Hobbes

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Wow I have to say I’m shocked how much they came back, I thought they where looking grim for a bit
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I'm never worried about the first defoliation but after the second some strains, like Lemon Haze, don't grow back as many leaves as I'd like.

I'm going to defoliate a second time around 7 to 10 days, I'll probably put the trellis up then.

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Hippieryan

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I'm never worried about the first defoliation but after the second some strains, like Lemon Haze, don't grow back as many leaves as I'd like.

I'm going to defoliate a second time around 7 to 10 days, I'll probably put the trellis up then.
I am kind of agreeing with the previous comment, however harsh it may be, those leaves are there for a reason, a little trim is ok but I have found way more growth since just letting them do there thing and maybe trimming back on a few bottom ones that are sun blocked and just dying off.
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coreywebster

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I'm never worried about the first defoliation but after the second some strains, like Lemon Haze, don't grow back as many leaves as I'd like.

I'm going to defoliate a second time around 7 to 10 days, I'll probably put the trellis up then.

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Surely they don't grow back at all, you strip the big leafs and the little ones grow bigger to make up for it and when you strip at day 21 the sugar leaf then grows bigger than it would of to make up for it again leaving a much more leafy end product than would of been originally?

Ive only done it a few times and its not my method of growing, but I have seen lots of people do it with success , but does always seem a more leafy product in the end.

Anyway to your original question , I can see some merit in the idea , stretch happens mostly in dark period and uses stored energy from the light period so if you strip hard you reduce your plants ability to store as much energy , different tactic but same theory as a long dark period pre 12/12.

Keep us posted on how it works out, maybe treat one plant differently to see if you can show the difference .
 
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