Nutrient waste in Coco

[Soiless]

Question for the people who worked with both Coco and hydroponics (DWC or any other kind), how do you feel about the nutrient waste in Coco?
I've never tried growing in Coco, but lately something made me want to try and go that way.
From my understanding with every day feedings to run off the amount of nutrients used throughout the week in Coco is absurdly high compared to dwc for example, like the same solution that'll last an entire week in dwc for one plant would need to go in every day in Coco, am I exaggerating or does this resemble reality?

 

[Rakin]

Doesn’t resemble reality anywhere close. I had more waste in dwc changing out and cleaning rez when needed.

 

[Dontjudgeme]

Question for the people who worked with both Coco and hydroponics (DWC or any other kind), how do you feel about the nutrient waste in Coco?
I've never tried growing in Coco, but lately something made me want to try and go that way.
From my understanding with every day feedings to run off the amount of nutrients used throughout the week in Coco is absurdly high compared to dwc for example, like the same solution that'll last an entire week in dwc for one plant would need to go in every day in Coco, am I exaggerating or does this resemble reality?

I can see why you might feel this way. In coco, I do feed more often , but I don’t use much per feeding because I’m feeding everyday. So it equates to about the same in the hydro system I use to run a long time ago. If anything, I burned through more Nutes in the hydro system.

 

[Soiless]

Doesn’t resemble reality anywhere close. I had more waste in dwc changing out and cleaning rez when needed.

I can see why you might feel this way. In coco, I do feed more often , but I don’t use much per feeding because I’m feeding everyday. So it equates to about the same in the hydro system I use to run a long time ago. If anything, I burned through more Nutes in the hydro system.

Thats what i wanted to hear, because theoratically it seems extreme, though im still unclear of how it is possible, if you look at AN's feed chart the amounts are the same for a hydro solution and coco, except one stays all week with some top off here and there and the other, (coco), needs to go in every day .
take something as simple as lucas's formula even, the amounts per gallon would be the same for the soluton, but with and dwc bucket ill need like 6-7 gal max for the week and with coco is about 2 gals a day in a 3 gal pot right? how does this make sense?

 

[Rakin]

You only give the plant enough nutrient water for what it will need each day plus a little run off. You’re not dumping a full rez on it

 

[NeWcS]

You only give the plant enough nutrient water for what it will need each day plus a little run off. You’re not dumping a full rez on it

I am glad you said 'a little runoff'. NOT 30%. People seem to get confused between watering everyday to 'top-off' the container, and letting the coco dry out. Then giving it a full water with more runoff to flush what was captured during it drying out.

So IMO there are a couple schools of thought on whats the better way to grow in coco.

 

[IrkinBollikans]

Im in coco/perlite hempys. If I saved all my runoff for the week it might amount to 1/2 to 3/4 of my res. I fill my res twice a week as it's small. I set my timer to run until theres about 20 seconds of runoff. I use maxibloom and I'm fine with the waste

 

[IrkinBollikans]

Thats what i wanted to hear, because theoratically it seems extreme, though im still unclear of how it is possible, if you look at AN's feed chart the amounts are the same for a hydro solution and coco, except one stays all week with some top off here and there and the other, (coco), needs to go in every day .
take something as simple as lucas's formula even, the amounts per gallon would be the same for the soluton, but with and dwc bucket ill need like 6-7 gal max for the week and with coco is about 2 gals a day in a 3 gal pot right? how does this make sense?

I use 2.5-3 gallon pots and use less than a gallon per feed and get adequate runoff

 

[Soiless]

I use 2.5-3 gallon pots and use less than a gallon per feed and get adequate runoff

well that sounds fine then. cuz i've heard you need to give about 3/4 of the container in feed in order to get appropriate runoff. what the ppm is like for each feed late flower?

 

[NeWcS]

Heres what I do. Water your pot to 100% field capacity. To where it can't possibly get any wet'er. Then you come back the next day and water just enough to get it back to 100%, like yesterday. And thats how I water. In late flower its full waters everyday. I try for as little runoff as possible to achieve that. So almost no wASTE

 

[Rakin]

I am glad you said 'a little runoff'. NOT 30%. People seem to get confused between watering everyday to 'top-off' the container, and letting the coco dry out. Then giving it a full water with more runoff to flush what was captured during it drying out.

So IMO there are a couple schools of thought on whats the better way to grow in coco.

I do coco hempy buckets. The only time I will feed with excessive run off is if I’m trying to correct something which isn’t that often.

 

[Soiless]

Thanks everyone who chimed in

 

[DrKiz]

I was sceptical at first too homie. Especially about the waste.

Midway through the first run I was sold. Crazy fast lush vigorous growth. Kills soil dead in the water.

Effortless on a drip irrigation system.

Checking run off EC will have you reading plants like a pro in no time. It tells you a lot about where your plants at.

If you screw up, run some new proper feed through and problem solved real fast.

You can use the run off to water cuts, vegetables, and houseplants.

And the expense is minimal if you get yourself on a powdered nutrient like Jacks, Megacrop or Floraplex.

Give it a go and you’ll see what we mean.

There’s a reason people don’t talk about coco related issues often. Cause there isn’t very many.

 

[Soiless]

I was sceptical at first too homie. Especially about the waste.

Midway through the first run I was sold. Crazy fast lush vigorous growth. Kills soil dead in the water.

Effortless on a drip irrigation system.

Checking run off EC will have you reading plants like a pro in no time. It tells you a lot about where your plants at.

If you screw up, run some new proper feed through and problem solved real fast.

You can use the run off to water cuts, vegetables, and houseplants.

And the expense is minimal if you get yourself on a powdered nutrient like Jacks, Megacrop or Floraplex.

Give it a go and you’ll see what we mean.

There’s a reason people don’t talk about coco related issues often. Cause there isn’t very many.

Not sure about that last part haha, alot of folks having trouble with Coco, people will screw up just about anything though, that's beside the point.
My first grow was dwc, and been growing this way for years now, never had problems with it even at the beginning, I don't even know what root rot looks like in person. Though folks struggle with it too, it doesn't concern me much
I will probably go with Coco this time, thanks for the input, appreciate it.

 

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[gr865]

Multiple feedings, very lite rates, is the key in coco.
During flowering I will run 5 to 6 feedings per day, using 0.20 to 0.25 percent of recommended rates.
About 21 gallons of solution will last me around 4 days. The last feeding in the rez I will add straight RO and pH, reducing the ppm's to around 10% of normal rez solution. I do this every two weeks to do a root system flush, run about a gallon per 2 gallon smart pot.
This has worked well for me.

 

[xtsho]

100% coco and blumats. No runoff.

 

[Soiless]

100% coco and blumats. No runoff.

and how come no runoff ?

 

[xtsho]

and how come no runoff ?

The Tropf-Blumat is a sensor that supplies plants with drips of water via thin tubing. As the soil dries, its natural suction power triggers the opening of the Tropf-Blumat allowing the water to flow. When the soil is sufficiently moist, the Tropf-Blumat automatically stops. The process requires water pressure, which can be created using an elevated reservoir or over a connection to the mains supply.
Every plant and every container or group of plants is outfitted with at least 1 Tropf-Blumat which is set for the specific requirements of the individual plant.
For larger containers or surfaces, it is necessary to use several sensors or longer sensors. All Tropf-Blumats are connected together over a common supply tubing. The possibilities for set-up are diverse and can be changed as desired at any time.

Function

www.blumat-shop.de

 

[Soiless]

The Tropf-Blumat is a sensor that supplies plants with drips of water via thin tubing. As the soil dries, its natural suction power triggers the opening of the Tropf-Blumat allowing the water to flow. When the soil is sufficiently moist, the Tropf-Blumat automatically stops. The process requires water pressure, which can be created using an elevated reservoir or over a connection to the mains supply.
Every plant and every container or group of plants is outfitted with at least 1 Tropf-Blumat which is set for the specific requirements of the individual plant.
For larger containers or surfaces, it is necessary to use several sensors or longer sensors. All Tropf-Blumats are connected together over a common supply tubing. The possibilities for set-up are diverse and can be changed as desired at any time.

Function

www.blumat-shop.de

I think i under stand the full scope of the system and how it works, was just curious because runoff seems to be a pretty important part in maintaining a rootzone clean from slat build up, from what i learned so far...
judging by the photo you attached in the other thread, I really dont know what to believe any more and who to listen to, but can't argue with results thats for sure, looking spledid over there.
gotta love these totally vast differences in information from source to source smh-.-