Biden, Democrats seek to shut down calls to defund police

Padawanbater2

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It's clear that their efforts worked on at least one person, @Padawanbater2

So, prove me wrong. Tell us that you prefer Democrats to Republicans. Or prove me right by saying otherwise.


while all of the attention on white supremacy is being dedicated to alt-right leaders like Steve Bannon and neo-Nazis hailing Trump, people are completely avoiding the fact that yes, the left has to deal with white supremacy, too!
I prefer Democrats to Republicans

But you already know that. You levy the allegation I support Republicans because I'm more critical of Democrats. I don't care to criticize Republicans, especially on RIU, because Republican politicians and Republican policy are both abhorrent and none of them care about progressive criticisms in the same way none of you care about Republican criticisms. In practice, it's a waste of time. But it's easy to make claims, harder to actually address the criticisms.

You posted a thread calling to defund the police, then Biden and Democratic party leadership came out against it. Now instead of sticking to your values, you side with people who support the continued militarization of the police force and abuse of power that's led to extreme racial inequality across the nation for decades.


You're a bootlicker to authority
 

Unclebaldrick

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I prefer Democrats to Republicans

But you already know that. You levy the allegation I support Republicans because I'm more critical of Democrats. I don't care to criticize Republicans, especially on RIU, because Republican politicians and Republican policy are both abhorrent and none of them care about progressive criticisms in the same way none of you care about Republican criticisms. In practice, it's a waste of time. But it's easy to make claims, harder to actually address the criticisms.

You posted a thread calling to defund the police, then Biden and Democratic party leadership came out against it. Now instead of sticking to your values, you side with people who support the continued militarization of the police force and abuse of power that's led to extreme racial inequality across the nation for decades.


You're a bootlicker to authority
You prefer criticizing Democrats to Republicans. You are a tool and a puppet.
 
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Padawanbater2

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You prefer criticizing Democrats to Republicans. You are a tool and a puppet.
Criticizing Democrats is a more effective way of gaining meaningful change. Republicans do not give a single fuck what I believe. Democrats, even corporate Democrats, at least have to pretend they do, and if they stray too far to the right, who do you think corrects the course? It isn't white moderates.
 

Unclebaldrick

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Criticizing Democrats is a more effective way of gaining meaningful change. Republicans do not give a single fuck what I believe. Democrats, even corporate Democrats, at least have to pretend they do, and if they stray too far to the right, who do you think corrects the course? It isn't white moderates.
Bullshit. You are angry that people did not support your views and your candidate and now you want to punish them for it. You pray for a Trump re-election because you will then be able to point your powerless little finger and say "I told you so". You hope that this will finally get people to see how special you are.

I predict that when Trump loses, you will find a way to try and take credit for it.

You are driven only by your own ego and are no asset to any side you align yourself with.
 

Fogdog

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I prefer Democrats to Republicans

But you already know that. You levy the allegation I support Republicans because I'm more critical of Democrats. I don't care to criticize Republicans, especially on RIU, because Republican politicians and Republican policy are both abhorrent and none of them care about progressive criticisms in the same way none of you care about Republican criticisms. In practice, it's a waste of time. But it's easy to make claims, harder to actually address the criticisms.

You posted a thread calling to defund the police, then Biden and Democratic party leadership came out against it. Now instead of sticking to your values, you side with people who support the continued militarization of the police force and abuse of power that's led to extreme racial inequality across the nation for decades.


You're a bootlicker to authority
Bullshit to most of that.

Socialist Democrats are a wing of the Democratic Party. So, yeah, if you want to support defunding the police to put money into other means for public safety then it's going to get done by Democrats.

Or reform some Nazis and start your own party.
 

Padawanbater2

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Bullshit to most of that.

Socialist Democrats are a wing of the Democratic Party. So, yeah, if you want to support defunding the police to put money into other means for public safety then it's going to get done by Democrats.

Or reform some Nazis and start your own party.
Democratic party leadership, as well as Biden don't support defunding the police. You can pretend they do, you do a lot of that anyway

Why doesn't Pelosi pass anything through the House and send it to the Senate? She has the power to do that, Democrats control the House and according to you, she's the greatest House leader in the history of the US, so it should be easy to get passed. It seems like she makes a big show of opposing Trump in public a lot, to get praise from people like you who don't really care about effective policy change, but when it comes to actual actions, things she could do like voting against his increases to the military budget, domestic spying, etc., she always fails and Trump and the Republicans get what they want. Why did we even vote for Democrats when they won't even use the power we gave them when we got them elected in 2018? Why should we expect Biden will be any different when he's already making concessions and committing to putting Republicans in his cabinet? Why don't you hold them accountable for this disgraceful bullshit? Do you think any elected Republican would do that? Do you think Republican voters would be OK with that?

For all the crowing you do about how I support Republicans because I criticize Democrats and actually hold them accountable when they fuck up, you sure like to support the half of the party that likes to side with them the most.
 

hanimmal

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I prefer Democrats to Republicans

But you already know that. You levy the allegation I support Republicans because I'm more critical of Democrats. I don't care to criticize Republicans, especially on RIU, because Republican politicians and Republican policy are both abhorrent and none of them care about progressive criticisms in the same way none of you care about Republican criticisms. In practice, it's a waste of time. But it's easy to make claims, harder to actually address the criticisms.
No it is because you use RT of the left 'the hill' and other propaganda that the Russians are using for Dear Leader's re-elected. That is why I say you support the Republicans, because you are actively doing it in every post.

You posted a thread calling to defund the police, then Biden and Democratic party leadership came out against it. Now instead of sticking to your values, you side with people who support the continued militarization of the police force and abuse of power that's led to extreme racial inequality across the nation for decades.


You're a bootlicker to authority
Because it is a obvious troll on the Democrats. "Defund the Police" is about as welcome as "socialist president" to all but about 18% of Americans. Structural and deep change in the police, yes please. Defunding, obvious troll for Trump to use against Democrats to scare all those 82% of Americans against Democrats.

Criticizing Democrats is a more effective way of gaining meaningful change. Republicans do not give a single fuck what I believe. Democrats, even corporate Democrats, at least have to pretend they do, and if they stray too far to the right, who do you think corrects the course? It isn't white moderates.
That makes about as much sense as someone beating their kid because they want them to be good.

How did that work out in 2016 (assuming you are not just lying for a moment and not a Trump supporter)? Those 80k people in those key states falling for the stupidity that you spout regularly, and hundreds of thousands that voted for 3rd party candidates pushing Trump over the finish line.

Using the crap you push, Russia got everything they wanted.
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If you are what you say and American, I really hope you wake up and realize you are being pumped full of propaganda by militarized trolling of the Russians, and are pushing it back out further amplifying their lies.


Democratic party leadership, as well as Biden don't support defunding the police. You can pretend they do, you do a lot of that anyway

Why doesn't Pelosi pass anything through the House and send it to the Senate? She has the power to do that, Democrats control the House and according to you, she's the greatest House leader in the history of the US, so it should be easy to get passed. It seems like she makes a big show of opposing Trump in public a lot, to get praise from people like you who don't really care about effective policy change, but when it comes to actual actions, things she could do like voting against his increases to the military budget, domestic spying, etc., she always fails and Trump and the Republicans get what they want. Why did we even vote for Democrats when they won't even use the power we gave them when we got them elected in 2018? Why should we expect Biden will be any different when he's already making concessions and committing to putting Republicans in his cabinet? Why don't you hold them accountable for this disgraceful bullshit? Do you think any elected Republican would do that? Do you think Republican voters would be OK with that?

For all the crowing you do about how I support Republicans because I criticize Democrats and actually hold them accountable when they fuck up, you sure like to support the half of the party that likes to side with them the most.
They can't even get a anti-lynching bill to get to a vote in the senate.

The House Democrats are working on a very comprehensive bill, but you wouldn't be one to mention that, instead you are disingenuous as always.

Nancy and the House Democrats have passed over 400 bills, and they are sitting in the Senate because Mitch won't let them get heard. And yet Nancy and the Democrats are still working on passing legislation on policing policies.

I do like this new tactic of yours though, the pretending to be a Democrat. I look forward to seeing you switch back to pushing 3rd party candidates and attacking Democrats like normal.
 

Rob Roy

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That does it.

I'm voting for Trump.

You sort of will be either way though...

As far as the application of the Police State there is no appreciable difference between Trump and Biden. They may quibble over how to spend the loot, but they are in agreement that using extortion to fund their ideas is the means to use.

Biden may want cops to smile more and hopes that will convince you the gun that is behind everything they do won't get noticed.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Bullshit. You are angry that people did not support your views and your candidate and now you want to punish them for it. You pray for a Trump re-election because you will then be able to point your powerless little finger and say "I told you so". You hope that this will finally get people to see how special you are.

I predict that when Trump loses, you will find a way to try and take credit for it.

You are driven only by your own ego and are no asset to any side you align yourself with.
First we address motives and intentions, not the facade, then we address issues of personal integrity, finally we talk issues. With most normal folks we can dispense with the formalites and go striagt to the issues. The fact that we keep coming back to motives and intentions with this guy says a lot.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Criticizing Democrats is a more effective way of gaining meaningful change. Republicans do not give a single fuck what I believe. Democrats, even corporate Democrats, at least have to pretend they do, and if they stray too far to the right, who do you think corrects the course? It isn't white moderates.
What is Bernie doing about this? The democrats have a bill to address police misconduct and the black caucus had a big influence over it.
You figure you know more than these people?
Perhaps someone should post the bill to this thread and we can go through it?
This is just the first of many measures though, but we all know this one either won't be passed or will be watered down to meaninglessness with compromise.

Smart people know that squabbling over ideological issues in an election campaign is stupid, win first and get the fucking country back, then push your pipe dreams. Its a question of priorities your's are confused, you've put the cart before the horse, or you're a Trumper, judging by the thread title.
Do you figure we need no police?
Don't you think the majority of people want law and order?
How does your thread title help the democrats win in november?
How does your rhetoric of no difference between the corporate parties help? True in the 1990's, but decreasingly so for the democrats. Now the difference between the two could not be more stark. One party speaks for the future, prosperity and hope and the other shouts, divison, hate, chaos, death and dystopia. Which side are you on?
 
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schuylaar

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Democratic party leadership, as well as Biden don't support defunding the police. You can pretend they do, you do a lot of that anyway

Why doesn't Pelosi pass anything through the House and send it to the Senate? She has the power to do that, Democrats control the House and according to you, she's the greatest House leader in the history of the US, so it should be easy to get passed. It seems like she makes a big show of opposing Trump in public a lot, to get praise from people like you who don't really care about effective policy change, but when it comes to actual actions, things she could do like voting against his increases to the military budget, domestic spying, etc., she always fails and Trump and the Republicans get what they want. Why did we even vote for Democrats when they won't even use the power we gave them when we got them elected in 2018? Why should we expect Biden will be any different when he's already making concessions and committing to putting Republicans in his cabinet? Why don't you hold them accountable for this disgraceful bullshit? Do you think any elected Republican would do that? Do you think Republican voters would be OK with that?

For all the crowing you do about how I support Republicans because I criticize Democrats and actually hold them accountable when they fuck up, you sure like to support the half of the party that likes to side with them the most.
just backroom deals..she needs the Heroes Act from Moscow Mitch so those of us on unemployment can survive..$250/weekly isn't going to cut it and it pisses me off that they know this, and it isn't until a pandemic, they do something.

pandemic to be continued this fall.
 
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schuylaar

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this is bad, like burning books or not allowing 'to kill a mockingbird' on your shelf..it's history..you're hiding it NOW because of white guilt..no, no this needs the sanitizing sun!

 
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hanimmal

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this is bad, like burning books or not allowing 'to kill a mockingbird' on your shelf..it's history..you're hiding it NOW because of white guilt..no, no this needs the sanitizing sun!

I wouldn't put not carrying a movie that celebrates the current of southern white privilege in the same category as burning a book in protest.

But I do agree it shouldn't be hidden. They were talking about it on NPR, and how the Hattie McDaniel who was in the film wasn't able to actually accept her awards because of racism at the time. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/oscars-first-black-winner-accepted-774335

Stuff like that movie would be more helpful to have a 10 minute introduction added to it about racism of the time and depicted in the film along with the racism surrounding the films themselves, than to just not carry it.
 

Fogdog

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Democratic party leadership, as well as Biden don't support defunding the police. You can pretend they do, you do a lot of that anyway

Why doesn't Pelosi pass anything through the House and send it to the Senate? She has the power to do that, Democrats control the House and according to you, she's the greatest House leader in the history of the US, so it should be easy to get passed. It seems like she makes a big show of opposing Trump in public a lot, to get praise from people like you who don't really care about effective policy change, but when it comes to actual actions, things she could do like voting against his increases to the military budget, domestic spying, etc., she always fails and Trump and the Republicans get what they want. Why did we even vote for Democrats when they won't even use the power we gave them when we got them elected in 2018? Why should we expect Biden will be any different when he's already making concessions and committing to putting Republicans in his cabinet? Why don't you hold them accountable for this disgraceful bullshit? Do you think any elected Republican would do that? Do you think Republican voters would be OK with that?

For all the crowing you do about how I support Republicans because I criticize Democrats and actually hold them accountable when they fuck up, you sure like to support the half of the party that likes to side with them the most.
Sure they do. They are supporting expanding funding for other public safety programs. That's what defunding the police means. It isn't no police or ending the professional police force, it's shifting what is often half of a city's budget to an police force whose role isn't suited for much of what they do.

Stop posting that silly propaganda. It doesn't work anymore.
 

potroastV2

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Sure they do. They are supporting expanding funding for other public safety programs. That's what defunding the police means. It isn't no police or ending the professional police force, it's shifting what is often half of a city's budget to an police force whose role isn't suited for much of what they do.

Stop posting that silly propaganda. It doesn't work anymore.

This needs to be explained to the simpletons!! :roll:


:mrgreen:
 

schuylaar

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I wouldn't put not carrying a movie that celebrates the current of southern white privilege in the same category as burning a book in protest.

But I do agree it shouldn't be hidden. They were talking about it on NPR, and how the Hattie McDaniel who was in the film wasn't able to actually accept her awards because of racism at the time. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/oscars-first-black-winner-accepted-774335

Stuff like that movie would be more helpful to have a 10 minute introduction added to it about racism of the time and depicted in the film along with the racism surrounding the films themselves, than to just not carry it.
i would, it's art in a different medium. the movie has been out since 1939 and they're JUST questioning it? c'mon. i wasn't talking about burning books in protest but for revisionism- don't try to change the landscape of white privilege now by hiding then putting together a well crafted 'meaningful message' which just reeks of more white privilege butt hurt..it's out there, own it.
 
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