4 strains under 1000W Black Dog LED (pics)

[Hobbes]

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I've got 4 clones - Blue Dream, Lemon Haze, OG Kush & Slurracane - from Onlineclones.ca, a Canadian clone provider.

Delivery took 2 weeks from order, there is no communication between Onlineclones and their customers.

Prices were $39 - $49 per clone plus $99 shipping. $270 for 4 strains, hopefully from good mothers selected from a large crop.

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The Blue Dream and OG Kush came through shipping looking good but Slurracane was beat up a bit and Lemon Haze was mostly dead. It took a few weeks but they're tough plants and they nursed themselves back to health.

Here's a picture of the plants one week after receiving, Lemon Haze in the front left, Slurracane rear left, OG Kush rear right and Blue Dream front right.



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This pic is at week 4, three weeks after the first picture. They're topped twice and recovered well, robust.



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This is a picture of my current crop at 7 weeks of flower, White Widow and Headband.

In veg I top until my tent (4x4) is full, then I defoliate and flip into flower. At week 3 of flower I defoliate again and put in a scrog netting.

Last crop's yield was 737 grams (dried to 62%H), under a 1000W Black Dog LED. Nothing to write a book over but a decent harvest, I'm hoping for over 800 grams on my current flowering crop and then push to 1000 grams on my 4 clone grow that I'm highlighting in this thread.





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This is my Black Dog Phytomax 2 1000 watt LED.

I follow Black Dog's growing style and hope to someday soon produce their results. They're at well over 1 gram per watt.



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Here's a comparison video, showing actual yields of 3 lights:

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3-way Side-by-side Grow Test: PhytoMAX-2 600, PhytoMAX-2 1000 and Kind

We did a side-by-side grow test to show how different light intensities and different spectrums affect your final harvest. We often get questions about what light should be used in a 4x4 foot space, and this test shows how light intensity affects yield. In one room we set up 3 4x4 foot bays with...

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Cheers, enjoy the ride or hop on, the thread's for everyone!

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[themda]

wow great job on the recovery. whats it like receiving clones via shipment? i dont have that issue in california

 

[Tckcliff]

Hell ya! Buckling up for the adventure!
I have ran all of those under a PM2 but I know you have different phenos, but overall you should hit good numbers either way.Onlyone that is going to grow slower is the SLH, she doesnt veg quick or get leggy like the rest of them.

Are you using the promix or sunshine for the medium? and what food?

 

[Hobbes]

Hell ya! Buckling up for the adventure!
I have ran all of those under a PM2 but I know you have different phenos, but overall you should hit good numbers either way.Onlyone that is going to grow slower is the SLH, she doesnt veg quick or get leggy like the rest of them.

Are you using the promix or sunshine for the medium? and what food?

I use Pro Mix HP and this is my first grow using Dyna-gro's line.

I've used Fox Farm for over 10 years but I've been having trouble with either burning or nute deficiency switching between their tri pack in mid flower. It's happened over several grows, just hits the middle of the plant then stops. Kills a few leaves.

Dyna-gro was prescribed for me by the kind folks at Black Dog, it's what they use. Copy excellence.

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[Hobbes]

wow great job on the recovery. whats it like receiving clones via shipment? i dont have that issue in california

I'm in Canada so it's not such a big deal legally as you'd have in the US.

I was more worried that the clones would die in transit.

Imagine if the only place you could buy clones was Indiana and you had to ship them half way across the country.

Ballsy enterprise for the clone shippers.

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[Tckcliff]

I know the BDL guys use Dyna Gro in Veg but I believe they use Success Nutrients for the flower stage. I am a Advanced Nutrients guy my self but have seen the Success line kick butt so if I switched it would be to that.

You following the BDL grow alongs on youtube? Great stuff! Black Dog LED YouTube Channel

 

[Hobbes]

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I've watched all of their videos 2 or 3 times, it is great stuff!

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[Tckcliff]

I noticed the temp gauge in the picture above that is on the light said 70.8 Degrees F. This may have been with out plants in there but if plants are in there, you are running to cool. Because the Leaf Surface Temperature is different under the Black Dog LED's because of the unique spectrum they aren't heating up the leaf surface like other fixtures would, so you need to run warmer. Its about a 9-10 degree difference than traditional lighting.

With C02 you should run 85-88 degrees F or 29-31 C and with out C02 you should be running 81-84 Degree F or 27-29 C.
In your final weeks, if cooling the room, keep that same 9 degree difference and just add it to what you would normally run, in this case if your use to running 70 degrees, run 79 and the leaf surface would be the same, the plant will not know the difference.

Cannabis has the best metabolic growth rates when the leaf surface is about 88-89 degrees F. Black Dog LED had their Leaf Surface Temperature published a few times and is a good read if you havent seen it, https://www.blackdogled.com/lst

You can use one of those infrared pens, but they can be a little inaccurate since its like a needle in the hay stack trying to see what the whole leaf surface is doing.. On big projects I like to use a FLIR to dial in a room, giving you a better visual and also helps you find hot spots in your rooms.

 

[Hobbes]

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Is that ever cool.

I've had some leaf burning around the same spot in two grows (half way down the plant), maybe it's a hot spot that I can find with a Flir. Have to check out amazon for one.

Thank you for all of the advice!

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[Hobbes]

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I harvest'd my 2 White Widows, the trichomes were 70% cloudy and 30% amber. I put the garden into 48 hours of darkness to see if I can squeeze some more THC out of her. I still have two Headband that I'm going to let flower for at least another week.

This is my flower garden just before the chop.



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This is plant #1 in an 18# plastic tray, lots of trim work in my future.



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My trimming station. One tray for bud, one for trim, and one for garbage.



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A tray of trimmed buds.

The buds are firmer this grow than last, almost no LARF. I pushed up the bottom of the canopy to force the plants' energy into the narrow canopy. It's really made a difference in size and firmness of the buds.

The buds were firm out to the edges of the tent and to the bottom of the canopy, hat's off to Black Dog.



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The two headband. Last harvest the White Widow out produced Headband but this grow I think the HB will be the heavyweight.



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A pic of my hang dryer. I wet trim and I often wonder if I'm loosing terpenes in the process. Each plant took up 1 tray in my hanger.



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My two racks of trim. After it drys I'll put it in a zip lock bag and in my freezer, then to the dry sift tumbler.

Last harvest I had 105 grams of sugar trim and yielded 8.1 grams of dry sift kief.



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My 4 clones, vegging happily under my Black Dog 200 Watt.



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It'd been a much better grow than my last, I learned a lot from my 2 first SCROG grows. I think I'm going to make my 800 gram goal, then up to 1,000 grams for my clone grow.

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[Hobbes]

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I canned the bud from the first White Widow and put a hygrometer in with it. After 5 hours I had a humidity reading of 85% so I poured them onto the hanging bud dryer for another day. I'll check it again tomorrow to see how fast it's drying.

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Tonight was clone transplant night, I got the 4 done in a little less than an hour and a half.



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I use Root Maker root pruning pots, as you can see they work like crazy. So many growth shoots.



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Transplanted into 7 gallon smart pots



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[Hobbes]

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I topped my clones tonight, a slight problem with different heights.

Different stains often have different internode lengths, topping after the same number of nodes leaves plants of different heights.



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The Lemon Haze (front left) and Slurracane (rear left) are about the same height but Blue Dream (front right) is hugging the ground and OG Kush (rear right) has the longest internodes.

They're almost pushing to go into the 4x4 flower tent, they're currently in a 3x3 under a 200 watt Black Dog.

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[F80M4]

Before I continue the read. Broooo why did u buy 4 clones for almost 300?!? You could've gotten the seeds for far less.

 

[Hobbes]

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Hi F80M4

Two reasons

I'm hoping that the clone company grew many of each strain and kept the best for their mother. This way I'm getting a keeper pheno without having to flower out dozens of plants.

The other is cost - I've got 4 strains that would have cost me $720 for seeds at Dr Greenthumb, less if I went to attitude. So $270 isn't that expensive in comparison to seeds, to get 4 keepers. I'm going to clone these plants and run a perpetual grow, the cost per plant will go down.

As well I live in Canada, Onlineclones.ca were the only Canadian mail order clone company open for business when I was looking for clones. It was $270 or nothing. They're completely sold out now, I ordered just in time.

PeakSeedsBC is now selling clones, $80 for 4 including shipping. I'll order from peak next time.

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[Hobbes]

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The White Widow has dryed down to 62% humidity and I weighed them.

The total weight for two plants was 329 grams, far off from the 400 grams I was hoping for. On the positive side I increased my average yield from 133 grams per plant in my first grow to 164 grams per plant this grow. A 24% increase from the first grow. It's a poor producing pheno that I kept from my first grow.

The Headband is going to come in at a much higher weight, it's taken up almost double the space in the drying room.



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These are 1 US gallon (4 litre) Cvaults, they'll hold about a half pound.



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[F80M4]

I live in Canada too bro! happy growing bro!

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Hi F80M4

Two reasons

I'm hoping that the clone company grew many of each strain and kept the best for their mother. This way I'm getting a keeper pheno without having to flower out dozens of plants.

The other is cost - I've got 4 strains that would have cost me $720 for seeds at Dr Greenthumb, less if I went to attitude. So $270 isn't that expensive in comparison to seeds, to get 4 keepers. I'm going to clone these plants and run a perpetual grow, the cost per plant will go down.

As well I live in Canada, Onlineclones.ca were the only Canadian mail order clone company open for business when I was looking for clones. It was $270 or nothing. They're completely sold out now, I ordered just in time.

PeakSeedsBC is now selling clones, $80 for 4 including shipping. I'll order from peak next time.

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[Hobbes]

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You too F80M4!

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I ran my trim through my dry sift tumbler tonight. For those of you with small grows struggling with bubble bags or BHO I highly recommend a dry sift tumbler, it's so easy and fast. Throw your trim in a freezer bag, dump it in the screen drum, let it run for 15 then 30 minutes, throw out the trim, do whatever with the keif.

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I weighed in at 70 grams - 89 g total less 19 for the bag.

If ratios go like my last run I'll get 8% return, or 5.6 grams over 2 runs.



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The 150 gram screen drum with 70 grams of trim:



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The tumbler is basically a plastic crate, a screen drum, and a dc motor.



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The dry sift falls to the bottom of the crate and we scrape it up with a card.





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First run weighed in at 4.17 grams



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Second run yields about 40% of the first, after 30 minutes running.





With 2.06 grams from the second run we get 6.2 grams from 70 grams of trim, or 8.8%, slightly higher return than my last harvest.

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Now I have to figure out what to do with all the keif!



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Anyone know how much keif is worth? It'd be interesting to do a calculation for return on investment: If I'm getting 6 grams of keif per grow how long does it take to pay for the dry sift tumbler - around $475 Canadian.

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[Hobbes]

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My 2 headband cured to 62% H so I weighed them and came out with some great results. 201 grams and 211 grams for a total of 412 grams.

Add that 412 grams to the White Widow total of 329 grams for a total weight of 741 grams, 10% off my target of 800 grams.

Again, on the plus side, my yield on this strain increased from 155 grams per plant on my first harvest to 206 grams this grow, up about a third.

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[Hobbes]

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The clones have been in their 7 gallon pots for a week and half, they were pushing against the 3x3 veg tent walls so I moved them to my 4x4 flower tent.

I'm not sure if I'm going to top them again or not, I'll let them grow out a week and see if they touch the tent walls, then I'll defoliate and flip into flower.

I soaked each pot with 2 gallons of nutrient solution, got about half a gallon runoff each plant.

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[Hobbes]

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Defoliation

Tonight is the beginning of flower for my 4 clones so I stripped almost all of the leaves and took clones for the next crop.

I give them 60 hours of dark at the start of flower.



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Clones drooping right now but they should be fine by morning.


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