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[Budzbuddha]

OP ... next time save the drama and just plant a seed in a container of soil ( final size ) and water as necessary.... literally thats it.

Forget trying topping for now as autos just want to move from germ to finish as quickly as it can. Topping works on some autos but not all. Thats why its just easier to do LST training to shape it instead of possibly stalling it or stressing it and it decides to flower as a survival response ....

 

[Woozer]

Thanks for the heads up and the opinions on what's better, soil or coco.
I need to know what the problem is with my young ones, but if you guys arent sure then I guess I'm fucked lol just have to see what happens I guess

 

[Dirk8==D~Diggler]

Over watering has never really been an issue for me. Feeding EVERY water? Fuck that. I really have no desire to have to water more than once every 4 days.

Dude I was told coco was the way to go and holy shit do I loathe mixing up those stupid nutrients and watering twice a day. I know people say the growth rate is better In coco but it turned this experience that I thought was going to be so much fun into a twice daily chore...

 

[Wattzzup]

Thanks for the heads up and the opinions on what's better, soil or coco.
I need to know what the problem is with my young ones, but if you guys arent sure then I guess I'm fucked lol just have to see what happens I guess

It’s not so much about what’s better. Not everyone can water twice a day. Or feels like watering twice a day. Some people like the science of mixing nutrients daily. Some people like watering and leaving their plant for multiple days. It’s all in what fits your time frame or amount of time you want to invest in the hobby.

 

[WintersBones]

I disagree with Joeblow. I have been growing in coco for 8 years. Did the soil thing. I find coco much more forgiving. It can take a week or better to corrct an issue in the dirt but can correct an impalance or whatever in coco in a couple of days. Man I feed my girls twice a day sometimes, no every but a bunch. The price of a good ph meter will pay for its self in a couple of grows. You will use less nukes. Ph at 5.8. I use Flora Nova Bloom and Grow, Cal-Mag plus and hit em with a little Monster Bloom once a week after they start flowering. I average a little over 6ozs per plant and had a Pineapple Express give me 9.6 ozs last month. I grow under 2 Perfect Sun Max Yield lights. Coco is the way to go with autos...

Hey @Seedlin, do you have a journal or pics of that Pineapple Express you mind sharing? Growing one myself right now, first time in coco, would love to compare. You mentioned using less nutes, I wonder if I'm overfeeding mine. What PPM/EC did you feed during your bloom? Thanks.

 

[WintersBones]

Dude I was told coco was the way to go and holy shit do I loathe mixing up those stupid nutrients and watering twice a day. I know people say the growth rate is better In coco but it turned this experience that I thought was going to be so much fun into a twice daily chore...

I can see the appeal to both sides to this debate. I'm enjoying coco at the moment. Just mix a big reservoir, enough for at least 2-3 feeds at time. depending on your fert schedule you only have to mix up a batch every 2-3days. But i can definitely see the appeal of only needing to water at all every few days. But I'm often in there checking on my plants a few times a day anyways so feeding twice daily doesn't bother me.

 

[WintersBones]

This...

Hey OP. They're not looking too bad imo. Maybe just overdoing it a bit with the nutes now and getting a slight N toxicity? Kinda what I'm dealing with on mine as well i think.

 

[JoeBlow5823]

Dude I was told coco was the way to go and holy shit do I loathe mixing up those stupid nutrients and watering twice a day. I know people say the growth rate is better In coco but it turned this experience that I thought was going to be so much fun into a twice daily chore...

Yup. I like to look at my girls every day. Sometimes a couple times a day. But I only want to have to actually do anything like water or train them every 3-4 days. With good dirt, you can easily grow awesome medicine with just water and a little added dry amendment nutrients at the start of flower. Dont get me wrong, good dirt is pricey, but to not have to mix nutes every day, thats PRICELESS. If you had a nice high end watering system that made watering almost completely automated, that would help a lot but they are expensive and significantly more complicated than a pot of dirt.

 

[MATTYMATT726]

Yup. I like to look at my girls every day. Sometimes a couple times a day. But I only want to have to actually do anything like water or train them every 3-4 days. With good dirt, you can easily grow awesome medicine with just water and a little added dry amendment nutrients at the start of flower. Dont get me wrong, good dirt is pricey, but to not have to mix nutes every day, thats PRICELESS. If you had a nice high end watering system that made watering almost completely automated, that would help a lot but they are expensive and significantly more complicated than a pot of dirt.

You act like coco users mix a cup of water at a time. This is just someone pushing his ways. Nutrients absolutely keep fine in the fridge for days. Not hard at all to mix a few gal at once and store in the fridge and not need to mix more than 1-2 times a week. If it kills you to lift a jug to water than you got more problems than getring high can solve.

 

[JoeBlow5823]

You act like coco users mix a cup of water at a time. This is just someone pushing his ways. Nutrients absolutely keep fine in the fridge for days. Not hard at all to mix a few gal at once and store in the fridge and not need to mix more than 1-2 times a week. If it kills you to lift a jug to water than you got more problems than getring high can solve.

Its just the whole process man. I have a 5x5 and if i was doing say a dozen plants, i would most of the plants out of the tent to water the ones i cant get to and it would be a hassle. With dirt, i take all the plants out, inspect each one, top, train, put them back and water them. Doing this twice a week is perfect for me. A lot of growing is about your style and preferences. I didnt understand this so well at the start and its becoming much more clear to me now.

 

[Budzbuddha]

Or cut out the coco regiment altogether and run 3:1 perlite / vermiculite Hempy buckets - Simple drain to waste .
No overwatering - No drama - passive res - water / feed twice a week .

About as simple as it gets. Plus bigger plants.

 

[Zogs]

Dude I was told coco was the way to go and holy shit do I loathe mixing up those stupid nutrients and watering twice a day

You actually don't need to water coco that much. I water full grown plants in coco every 2-3 days without issue. I hit them when they have about 10-20% saturation left. I'm averaging between 2-3g/watt so I think it's a ok process. I feed max 3.5g/gal of megacrop and thats it. How much simpler can you get?
I'm not sure what the guys have going on when they say you can't over water coco, because in my experience you definitely can. It's not as drastic of a problem as when you over water peat/soil, but you can definitely notice a slow down in growth and slight droop.

I know every one has different grow conditions, but I just cant understand 2x a day watering especially with auto's.

 

[MATTYMATT726]

You actually don't need to water coco that much. I water full grown plants in coco every 2-3 days without issue. I hit them when they have about 10-20% saturation left. I'm averaging between 2-3g/watt so I think it's a ok process. I feed max 3.5g/gal of megacrop and thats it. How much simpler can you get?
I'm not sure what the guys have going on when they say you can't over water coco, because in my experience you definitely can. It's not as drastic of a problem as when you over water peat/soil, but you can definitely notice a slow down in growth and slight droop.

I know every one has different grow conditions, but I just cant understand 2x a day watering especially with auto's.

How much do you average a plant and what size pots in coco?

 

[Zogs]

How much do you average a plant and what size pots in coco?

So I've only done one cycle in coco so it's a small sample size. In 3gal pots I get between 5.5 and 6.25 ounces per plant each under a 56w auto cob and 1 solo cup that weighed in at 1.25 ounces.

I should have noted in my previous post that with my watering every 2+ days my coco mix was 60/40% coco/perlite. That may be the difference why I don't need to water daily.

 

[Woozer]

You actually don't need to water coco that much. I water full grown plants in coco every 2-3 days without issue. I hit them when they have about 10-20% saturation left. I'm averaging between 2-3g/watt so I think it's a ok process. I feed max 3.5g/gal of megacrop and thats it. How much simpler can you get?
I'm not sure what the guys have going on when they say you can't over water coco, because in my experience you definitely can. It's not as drastic of a problem as when you over water peat/soil, but you can definitely notice a slow down in growth and slight droop.

I know every one has different grow conditions, but I just cant understand 2x a day watering especially with auto's.

Thanks for the advice man, I belive I'm over watering them and to much nutrients are shooting up it. I fed them just water yesterday to moist the coco and try to get salts or toxic out of the coco. I've fed them this morning and I wont touch them for about 2 days. I've upped the moisture and taken the LEDs up. I need these plants to shoot up as there looking bushy with leaves but the stem has stopped growing. I'm gonna try soil next time though as I can get a taste of disaster from both lol

 

[MATTYMATT726]

So I've only done one cycle in coco so it's a small sample size. In 3gal pots I get between 5.5 and 6.25 ounces per plant each under a 56w auto cob and 1 solo cup that weighed in at 1.25 ounces.

I should have noted in my previous post that with my watering every 2+ days my coco mix was 60/40% coco/perlite. That may be the difference why I don't need to water daily.

What space for that 3 gal? Im going to bet close to 2x2. Coco grows big. In half gal pots of coco 2x a day watered, you will almost never see less than 2 oz unless it is geneticly supposed to be short. I will get 4 of these in a 2x2. You do the math. Only 6 1/2 weeks of flower. Still maybe 2-3. 55 to 80 cm so not even an XL. All for an extra watering a day.

 

[NoobieGreenz]

About 10 days roughly into flowering

 

[Zogs]

What space for that 3 gal? Im going to bet close to 2x2. Coco grows big. In half gal pots of coco 2x a day watered, you will almost never see less than 2 oz unless it is geneticly supposed to be short. I will get 4 of these in a 2x2. You do the math. Only 6 1/2 weeks of flower. Still maybe 2-3. 55 to 80 cm so not even an XL. All for an extra watering a day.

I have a bit bigger space to work with , so larger plants/pots in a 3x3 makes more sense for my grow space with a 4 plant legal limit.
It's pretty hard to compare one grower to the other but here is something to think about, maybe are you working harder then you have too ?
What I mean is, you are growing 4 smaller plants in half gal pots and yielding roughly the same as two larger plants in 3g pots in that same space. You are also watering 2 extra plants 4x more frequently in that same space and I don't believe those extra fertigation's are showing in your yield.

I know growing 4 plants apposed to 2 plants in that same space offers a larger variety, I'm just suggesting that your workload per gram of weed produced is higher then it needs to be.

 

[Seedlin]

Budzbuddha is right. You can go to Lowes or Home Depot and buy a bag of Natures Own Organic potting soil (maded by Miracle Grow) and grow an auto from start to harvest and only have to water it. No nukes, enough in the bag. I have done this many yrs ago. Soil or coco, it doesn't mater what medium you chose, you still have to pay attention to your girls. Don't be afraid to try things. Spend money on good lighting and a good ph meter. There are several good grow sites on U-tube and such like Grow Pot Cheaply that has real good info. I grown the way Neil does on his site and have improved my abilities many times over. I even bought 2 Mega Yeild lights from the dude about 6 months ago. He has some very good stuff to share and sell. He grows both coco and soil, autos and photos. Check him out, I doubt you will be disappointed.

 

[Macncheesehaze]

Hey guys I have the same question here if these are budding. I got them from an old timer Who has been growing since before my time. He has no idea what an autoflower is or if these are but I remember he used to talk about ruderalis all the time when I was young and I didn’t know what it meant till recently. Any ideas? I got sour d, wwxbb and thc snow all looking like they are flowering. I also have gg#4, blue dream, platinum kush and cherry d NOT doing this in the same tent. 16 hours of light rn because they are getting ready to go outside. Mind you these are seeds I picked out of stuff he gave me from last year. If these are magically autos then I have to change a big part of my plan for this years op since I just topped some of them again thinking all I have is photoperiods.