Need advice on the setup

zoningmartian

zoningmartian

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Hello all !

Would really appreciate anyone's advice on a setup I'm thinking
Lets keep this short and simple :)

GROW METHOD

SOG, sea of green for maximizing yield per sq meter
in a 100x100 or 120x120x200 cm grow tent.

STRAIN

Critical mass (please let me know any other great strains for SOG max yield/fast from seed to finish for system I'm thinking)

HYDROPONIC SYSTEM

flood-drain-table-kit-650x650_0.jpg

16 pot EBB and Flow Hydroponics system
or thinking to use rockwool in there instead of pots for more plants any tips?

GROW LIGHTS

I'm thinking either

4x mars hydro ts600's

or

4x bestVA 600s

Would this be a good option for the above hydroponic table?
reason 4 lamps is I'm thinking if some plants are not with the canopy than I can group them in 4's and lower 1 lamp.
and even spread of PPFD
Would I get enough PPFD for flowering phase? from my understanding Its upto 800 PPFD that the plant feels comfortouble with.

it would be about 400W actual usage, but I'm trying to maximise yield and really want each plant to grow a really nice cola.






It would be my first time growing something indoors or even with hydroponics, but I seen some feed guides from advanced nutrients in how to feed "critical mass".
Heres the guide

www.leafly.com

Tips for Growing Critical Mass Cannabis

Learn more about growing the Critical Mass cannabis strain including its flowering time, ideal nutrients, and growing techniques.
www.leafly.com www.leafly.com

Not sure about how to germinate the seeds? Moist paper till tail than In small rockwool and than after certain size into clay pebbled hydro pots?
Would I need to use some rooting stimulator ?
Any advice on where to find information on the method I'm trying to master (SOG, mass yield per sq meter using hydro) would be highly appreciated.

Anyway, what do you guys think of my setup ? any tips on the lights or how much plants I should try to put into that flood drain table in what substrate.
I really want that big harvest and top top quality, hope my budget can fit my wishes.
Im thinking to put grow tent into a bigger tent and exhaust fan both, maybe an overkill, but smell I cant risk.

Thanks for time to read and respond

PEACE
 
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ProteinPapi420

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I also have mars hydro 600w they are probably the best light for their price! The setup looks good. You need something too keep the humidity and the temp right. To germinate seeds its pretty simple. Moist a paper towel place the seeds on it and fold the paper over them. Be very gentle dont put pressure on the seeds!!! Wait till the tails grow to about 1/2 inch and then it ready to plant it! Good luck brother✌✌✌
 
JSB99

JSB99

Well-Known Member
zoningmartian said:
Hello all !

Would really appreciate anyone's advice on a setup I'm thinking
Lets keep this short and simple :)

GROW METHOD

SOG, sea of green for maximizing yield per sq meter
in a 100x100 or 120x120x200 cm grow tent.

STRAIN

Critical mass (please let me know any other great strains for SOG max yield/fast from seed to finish for system I'm thinking)

HYDROPONIC SYSTEM

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16 pot EBB and Flow Hydroponics system
or thinking to use rockwool in there instead of pots for more plants any tips?

GROW LIGHTS

I'm thinking either

4x mars hydro ts600's

or

4x bestVA 600s

Would this be a good option for the above hydroponic table?
reason 4 lamps is I'm thinking if some plants are not with the canopy than I can group them in 4's and lower 1 lamp.
and even spread of PPFD
Would I get enough PPFD for flowering phase? from my understanding Its upto 800 PPFD that the plant feels comfortouble with.

it would be about 400W actual usage, but I'm trying to maximise yield and really want each plant to grow a really nice cola.






It would be my first time growing something indoors or even with hydroponics, but I seen some feed guides from advanced nutrients in how to feed "critical mass".
Heres the guide

www.leafly.com

Tips for Growing Critical Mass Cannabis

Learn more about growing the Critical Mass cannabis strain including its flowering time, ideal nutrients, and growing techniques.
www.leafly.com www.leafly.com

Not sure about how to germinate the seeds? Moist paper till tail than In small rockwool and than after certain size into clay pebbled hydro pots?
Would I need to use some rooting stimulator ?
Any advice on where to find information on the method I'm trying to master (SOG, mass yield per sq meter using hydro) would be highly appreciated.

Anyway, what do you guys think of my setup ? any tips on the lights or how much plants I should try to put into that flood drain table in what substrate.
I really want that big harvest and top top quality, hope my budget can fit my wishes.
Im thinking to put grow tent into a bigger tent and exhaust fan both, maybe an overkill, but smell I cant risk.

Thanks for time to read and respond

PEACE
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Well, if you wanted to keep things simple, I'd say you are already climbing uphill. You might want to do a couple soil grows, so you can get the hang of how these plants grow. It's a lot of work in the beginning, especially if also trying to learn/maintain a hydro system. Things move slower in soil, and it is much more forgiving with human mistakes, especially when it comes to balancing the pH.

You're overdoing it with the lights, and you'll be needing some fans and such.

The GrowWeedEasy site has vast info for new growers. I would read through it, and it should help you design your setup.

A 120x120 tent is a good size for you to be looking at.

Good luck :)
 
coreywebster

coreywebster

Well-Known Member
Mars hydro ts600 is supposed to flower 1.5x1.5ft so your looking at 3x3 with 4 of them.
Don't buy the bestva.

If you really want to SOG then do it properly with 4 plants per square foot.
An NFT system might be better or a flood and drain tray rather than pods.

I think @Thundercat knows his SOGs so im sure he would have better advice than me.
 
zoningmartian

zoningmartian

Member
ProteinPapi420 said:
I also have mars hydro 600w they are probably the best light for their price! The setup looks good. You need something too keep the humidity and the temp right. To germinate seeds its pretty simple. Moist a paper towel place the seeds on it and fold the paper over them. Be very gentle dont put pressure on the seeds!!! Wait till the tails grow to about 1/2 inch and then it ready to plant it! Good luck brother✌✌✌
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Thanks bro :)
I am looking further into germination, maybe to germinate straight in rockwool is better in a hydro setup.
And also would it be okay to put a tailed seed in rockwool, its always that risk of braking the tail, im not familiar with rockwool at all.
My biggest uncertainty is when is considered week 1 ?
When the plant spreads its first leaves and starts needing the light?
Or when its a bit more developed?
AdvancedNutrients_FeedChart_v5.jpg

I would want to put the rockwool in clay pebbled pots when its roots are better developed, but thats also what I am learning now.
Also would I need a root stimulator or does the nutrients in the above feeding chart cover all that? I think it does
But than again the question is when do I start with the nutrients? what is considered week 1 ?
 
zoningmartian

zoningmartian

Member
JSB99 said:
Well, if you wanted to keep things simple, I'd say you are already climbing uphill. You might want to do a couple soil grows, so you can get the hang of how these plants grow. It's a lot of work in the beginning, especially if also trying to learn/maintain a hydro system. Things move slower in soil, and it is much more forgiving with human mistakes, especially when it comes to balancing the pH.

You're overdoing it with the lights, and you'll be needing some fans and such.

The GrowWeedEasy site has vast info for new growers. I would read through it, and it should help you design your setup.

A 120x120 tent is a good size for you to be looking at.

Good luck :)
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Thank you

I will take that into consideration, maybe start with a couple to make sure all the information I will gather will work, I still got about 3 months to read, research, discuss before I feel confident and start, but I will go with hydro since I want to master that. I did do like 10 plants guerrilla grow before and did the manifold technique and they grew very nice, so before that I never grew anything just did lots of indepth reading unit I felt confident, also huge benefits of growing inside is to be able to control the temperature, light, humidity, circulation etc, that was the biggest challenge when doing guerrilla , but I get what you mean with the hydro and the nutes and PH, thats the biggest challenge to master imo ohh and I am sure that the rapid plant growth would be a shocker and a challenge, but I have plenty of time to give them my full attention. Would you mind giving me your insight about something?

In this picture, what do they consider week 1 ? Is it when the plant spreads is first leaves and is put under light? Or when its a bit more developed than that? When would an experienced grower start this nutrient plan ?
AdvancedNutrients_FeedChart_v5.jpg

If so than Im guessing no rooting stimulator would be needed. Also the sensi grow nutrients suppose to balance the PH automaticaly so you dont need to monitor or do ph up or down, but offcourse id still monitor anyway to know it works, for my first grow I'm actually thinking of changing the tank every week, might be that I'm wasting nutrients still in the water I am aware of topping it off with water based on some reading you can take (was it EC ??/dont remember now), but as of now to play safe im planing on just changing the tank ( I know nutes cost a lot :) )

Also why do you say 4 mars hydro ts600's (100wat power draw) would be an overdoing for a 120x120?
I'm guessing I could get away with 1 maybe stronger light, but isnt an even light spread and even light feed to the plants would make them blossom better? It cost 400 to get them 4, but than I know I got even light spread and its only 400 watt power draw, so it seems fair for a 120x120 for SOG by from what I was reading, but thats why I'm here is to make sure that everything I read adds up with the community.

Bless
 
zoningmartian

zoningmartian

Member
DaFreak said:
That doesn't look like an ebb and flow system to me, looks like a drip system. Both work fine.
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Actually that is an ebb and flow, but you can also buy that drip system thats in the picture which I'm considering.
I'm thinking of how to germinate seeds and put in clay pebbles, would be great to start in rockwool and maybe a week after leaves opening put them straight in clay pebbled pots (like in picture) to feed through drip system (for 1-2 weeks) for the root development before I would turn on the ebb and flow.

Cheers
 
zoningmartian

zoningmartian

Member
coreywebster said:
Mars hydro ts600 is supposed to flower 1.5x1.5ft so your looking at 3x3 with 4 of them.
Don't buy the bestva.

If you really want to SOG then do it properly with 4 plants per square foot.
An NFT system might be better or a flood and drain tray rather than pods.

I think @Thundercat knows his SOGs so im sure he would have better advice than me.
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This is actually a flood and drain and an added drip system if needed its 1 square meter.
So would be 4 plants per lamp. Would you do it in those pots as in that system or substitute pots for lets say rock wool.
So far everyone adviced on using mars hydro over bestVA.

Thank you :)
 
coreywebster

coreywebster

Well-Known Member
Personally I have only ever used clay pebbles with ebb and flow and rockwool with nft.
I Hate rockwool though, I think clay pebbles is the wat to go with E n F because it makes the most out of the idea of E n F, been a massive influx of o2 to the rootzone and a great film of nutrients rich with o2.

Can you link the ebb and flow system so I can see more than a pic, not sure what the benefit to adding extra drip systems to it gives.
It looks a nice set up on the surface but there are lots of set ups that look nice, sound fancy but are more gimmick than use.
 
zoningmartian

zoningmartian

Member
coreywebster said:
Personally I have only ever used clay pebbles with ebb and flow and rockwool with nft.
I Hate rockwool though, I think clay pebbles is the wat to go with E n F because it makes the most out of the idea of E n F, been a massive influx of o2 to the rootzone and a great film of nutrients rich with o2.

Can you link the ebb and flow system so I can see more than a pic, not sure what the benefit to adding extra drip systems to it gives.
It looks a nice set up on the surface but there are lots of set ups that look nice, sound fancy but are more gimmick than use.
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Its just a simple flood and drain, Im guessing the system is nicknamed EBB and FLOW or am I not getting something?
Heres all thats on the website about it. Seems like a legit system, a bit pricey, but looks well made, would fit in a 120x120.
You can also buy the extra drip system that goes with this, I'm imagining that the drip system is useful when the roots are very short, but I have no experience with flood and drain so maybe even flood and drain would work well.


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DaFreak

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I’m sorry, I shouldn’t rag on you too much, my bad. Many systems can be converted to ebb/flow or drip etc. the only difference is a small piece of tube to set the water height when you are using it for ebb/flow or you remove that piece and add emitters for drip systems. The picture that you linked twice is obviously the system set up as a drip system, hence the emitters. Good luck on your grow
 
zoningmartian

zoningmartian

Member
DaFreak said:
See, told you somebody would pass it, didn’t think it would be you. Dude you showed a picture of a drip system. End of story.
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No worries. That's the only picture they had. I forgot to mention at start of thread that Its not a drip system as pictured.
Cheers
 
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