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Tythefic

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Hi guys,
I’ve seen many deficiencies in years of growing but never seen anything like this nor I can find any information about it.
Basically these plants are the most beautiful and healthiest I’ve ever grown; you can see by its rich green color. Yet somehow I started getting pale spots on these perfectly green leaves, they can’t be light burn since I know what that looks like and my lights are on safe distance. I also fed it with nitrogen rich foods so it’s shouldn’t be nitrogen, underwater or overwatering. Now you can give me a 100 possible reasons which I do not care to know! Only answer if you had stumbled upon same problem, know anything about it or can give accurate diagnosis. Listing all problems in the book won’t help because I know these problems and looked up every possible problem that is posted on internet. So I signed up here in hope for better answers, however I’ve read many useless worthless threads where people got nothing else to do but guess. I’ve seen so called pros with over 30 year experience giving wild guesses... ggggg I hope in 30 years I will learn something about growing! If you’re a grower with 30 years of experience and can’t tell cannabis problem by looking at a pic, even better don’t brag about your experience because it only shames you.
see photo attached, it’s very hard to tell what it is because plants seen to growing fine, I’m just worried problem to worsen if it’s indeed deficient in something. Hoping for some expert knowledge. Thanks a lot577D7AD5-12E5-4EA7-91E4-FDBAC5E2566A.jpeg
 
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You sound like a treat to be around. Why would anyone even want to attempt to help someone who comes here for help in such a condescending way? You’ve been growing for all these years and can’t figure it out, but expect only exports to diagnose your plants by photos taken under blurple lights?
 
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Also to give you an idea. There are no discolored leaves on the bottom of the plant. Only the top and what seems to be on newer leaves. This is important because most deficiencies start from the bottom of the plant. On contrary the bottom looks much healthier than the top. So it very much seems like a light burn problem , but I raised the lights and had it been light burn it wouldn’t discolor leaves but actually make a hole in them and burn it. I know it because I had that happen. This is why I cannot pin point this problem and need your help
 
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TreeFarmerCharlie said:
You sound like a treat to be around. Why would anyone even want to attempt to help someone who comes here for help in such a condescending way? You’ve been growing for all these years and can’t figure it out, but expect only exports to diagnose your plants by photos taken under blurple lights?
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I don't even bother reading posts asking for assistance anymore if it has only pictures with blurple or HPS turned on. I just post the normal "turn the lights off". If they do and I spot the thread again, I'll then read through.
 
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Tythefic

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TreeFarmerCharlie said:
You sound like a treat to be around. Why would anyone even want to attempt to help someone who comes here for help in such a condescending way? You’ve been growing for all these years and can’t figure it out, but expect only exports to diagnose your plants by photos taken under blurple lights?
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This is the problem . I wanted to avoid people like you junking up my post. If you have nothing to say to help, then move on! I really don’t care about your opinion on anything other than cannabis! And with or without you, I will solve this problem just as 100s Of others I solved by myself. I was just hoping this will help me figure out things faster, and this post will help millions of others with the same problem, so frankly you’re not doing it for me, you’re doing it for the community! So keep your thoughts to yourself if they are not related to the subject and that’s all I asked from the beginning to keep garbage out of this post, find another one to complaint about!
 
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Tythefic said:
This is important because most deficiencies start from the bottom of the plant.
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I'd like to correct you here, just so you're better informed. Being informed allows you to more effectively research when you do have issues.

Deficiencies that start at the bottom of the plant are caused by a deficiency of a mobile nutrient. That means that when the plant can't uptake anymore, it reallocates the stored nutrients in the oldest leaves to where it is needed most... the new growth.

Deficiencies that appear primarily at the top of the plant or anywhere random are immobile nutrient deficiencies. Immobile nutrients can not be moved around, so the deficiency shows at or very near where the actual problem is occurring.

Now, there are five mobile nutrients: Nitrogen (N), Magnesium (Mg), Potassium (K), Phosphorus (P) and Zinc (Zc). The other 11 essential nutrients, are all immobile.

So five deficiencies which may begin at the bottom of the plant and work upwards, and the rest (11) typically either start at new growth, or at random spots on the plant. It's important too to note that some nutrients, although classified as immobile, can travel some within the plant. Not only that, but some mobile deficiencies don't reliably start at the bottom of the plant always either.

Realistically, from my experience, Nitrogen is the only deficiency that reliably and repeatedly starts at the bottom. All of the others can and do show up in varying locations, immobile or not.

UPDATE: This entire thread is a shit show, so I'm putting a link here for easy access that I had originally posted a few pages later on in this fiasco in case readers don't get through the whole thread. Good information on each of the nutrients. Be sure to click the "How to spot..." buttons under each nutrient for even more information on the specific nute, and some troubleshooting of its deficiency: https://free-the-tree.com/indoor-growing/marijuana-macro-micro-nutrients/
 
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TreeFarmerCharlie

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Tythefic said:
This is the problem . I wanted to avoid people like you junking up my post. If you have nothing to say to help, then move on! I really don’t care about your opinion on anything other than cannabis! And with or without you, I will solve this problem just as 100s Of others I solved by myself. I was just hoping this will help me figure out things faster, and this post will help millions of others with the same problem, so frankly you’re not doing it for me, you’re doing it for the community! So keep your thoughts to yourself if they are not related to the subject and that’s all I asked from the beginning to keep garbage out of this post, find another one to complaint about!
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Have you ever heard the saying “you catch more flies with shit”? Your first post was a giant pile of shit and I’m the fly.
 
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BTW, based on your claim of being experienced (which usually means the opposite), your description of “rich green color”, and the blurple lights, I’m going with nutrient lockout from over feeding as my guess.
 
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Tythefic

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Hey guys, I posted more pictures as requested without lights on. I also noticed a few small brown spots on the leaves similar to copper/calcium deficiency. Leaves just don’t look right compared to the rest which are rich green color. See photos.
 

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Tythefic

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TreeFarmerCharlie said:
BTW, based on your claim of being experienced (which usually means the opposite), your description of “rich green color”, and the blurple lights, I’m going with nutrient lockout from over feeding as my guess.
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The way around. They were underfed 2 days ago, looking slump and tired. After feeding them , they perked up. So definitely not over fed. And I posted more pictures
 
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growingforfun

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TreeFarmerCharlie said:
BTW, based on your claim of being experienced (which usually means the opposite), your description of “rich green color”, and the blurple lights, I’m going with nutrient lockout from over feeding as my guess.
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naw it was when he sad these are the best hes ever grown then showed that pic.

first off.... if you can remember every plant youve grown, you have no exp. second, that pic tho
 
TreeFarmerCharlie

TreeFarmerCharlie

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Tythefic said:
The way around. They were underfed 2 days ago, looking slump and tired. After feeding them , they perked up. So definitely not over fed. And I posted more pictures
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If you are as experienced as you say are then you would know that plants grown in soil don’t show deficiencies or toxicities that rapidly.
 
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spek9

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Tythefic said:
The way around. They were underfed 2 days ago, looking slump and tired. After feeding them , they perked up. So definitely not over fed. And I posted more pictures
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Feeding is not the same as watering, and feeding does not show any results immediately.
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Read the whole post and you’ll see what I’m talking about.
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I see what you're talking about. Another know it all expert making demands. There are far more open and far less condescending people here to help.
 
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