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Is this light too big for my tent?

Slowpoketv

Slowpoketv

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Hi all I’m a new member and wanted to introduce myself and get some opinions on my tent and lighting setup.

I had previously grown autos in a 4x4 tent with a 1000w led ( I can’t remember the brand I think it was Vivaspectra) let’s just say I was underwhelmed with the results. 90BC56B1-51A1-480D-B998-283AF11E1DBE.jpeg
I got some decent bud but the yield, bud size and bud density were not what I was looking for.

OG Kush auto Dinafem seeds

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I currently have 3 plant scrog that is doing okay but the buds development seems small to me. This was my first indoor grow and I know I had made a few mistakes but most were sorted out quickly, overall I feel like I had checked all of the boxes but still didn’t achieve the quality and yield I was looking for. So I started doing some more research and realized I might actually have been lacking in light some what.

Week 4 of Flower
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This time around I’m looking at a 3x2x6 grow tent and plan on using Phlizon CREE COB 1500w LED. I’m planning to run just the LEDs for the veg period and run both the COB and LED during flower... I’m wondering if this is overkill for this size tent... Would I be better off with the 1000w version? I don’t want to fry the plants.
Also side note I was thinking about adding a COB or two to the 4x4 tent for the next grow, once the scrog is finished. feel the extra white light would really help with yield, bud size etc...

I’m still very new to growing so any and all feedback is greatly appreciated and please be patient with me, I tend to ask stupid questions often lol.
 
Budzbuddha

Budzbuddha

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Get away from anything blurple.

Seriously . Philizon is a panel running the same pathetic red / blue blurple AND a small cx2450 cob.

You want COBS ? Get timbergrow lights or even a quantum. Your grow will be far better just from the upgrade. Even the SF4000 spider farmer is a giant leap ahead of your current choices.

Tip : Stop running single color leds for veg and flower. ALL SWITCHES ON ... ALWAYS.
if you didn’t do that for last grow you mentioned, that is why it suffered.
 
Budzbuddha

Budzbuddha

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Also .... NONE ... I mean NONE of those watt power claims are true ( philizon , vipar , amazon blurples ) . They are all bullshit claims on panels that in reality only Pull about a 1/3 of rated power.

They often exaggerate power claims even as they “ underpower “ hardware ... reason being they are inferior leds that have been purposely underpowered for life span of unit. They skimp on proper heatsinks and thermal management. They run lower efficiency plastic box drivers . Their fans are cheap sleeVe bearing fans . Led strings often fail as do those “ IR “ diodes ( burn out ) .
 
Slowpoketv

Slowpoketv

New Member
Budzbuddha said:
Get away from anything blurple.

Seriously . Philizon is a panel running the same pathetic red / blue blurple AND a small cx2450 cob.

You want COBS ? Get timbergrow lights or even a quantum. Your grow will be far better just from the upgrade. Even the SF4000 spider farmer is a giant leap ahead of your current choices.

Tip : Stop running single color leds for veg and flower. ALL SWITCHES ON ... ALWAYS.
if you didn’t do that for last grow you mentioned, that is why it suffered.
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Thank you, you confirmed some of my concerns I’ll take a look at those lights you mentioned, hopefully they have Canadian distribution as the exchange rate is terrible right now.
 
Slowpoketv

Slowpoketv

New Member
Budzbuddha said:
Also .... NONE ... I mean NONE of those watt power claims are true ( philizon , vipar , amazon blurples ) . They are all bullshit claims on panels that in reality only Pull about a 1/3 of rated power.

They often exaggerate power claims even as they “ underpower “ hardware ... reason being they are inferior leds that have been purposely underpowered for life span of unit. They skimp on proper heatsinks and thermal management. They run lower efficiency plastic box drivers . Their fans are cheap sleeVe bearing fans . Led strings often fail as do those “ IR “ diodes ( burn out ) .
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I was aware of some exaggeration that’s why I was thinking to go for a much bigger light hoping that would have enough intensity...
 
Slowpoketv

Slowpoketv

New Member
Budzbuddha said:
Also .... NONE ... I mean NONE of those watt power claims are true ( philizon , vipar , amazon blurples ) . They are all bullshit claims on panels that in reality only Pull about a 1/3 of rated power.

They often exaggerate power claims even as they “ underpower “ hardware ... reason being they are inferior leds that have been purposely underpowered for life span of unit. They skimp on proper heatsinks and thermal management. They run lower efficiency plastic box drivers . Their fans are cheap sleeVe bearing fans . Led strings often fail as do those “ IR “ diodes ( burn out ) .
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Of the lights you mentioned which one would you suggest for a 3x2x6? I was also looking at this but wasn’t sure if it would be sufficient for my space. Actually I initially came across these thinking they could be a good supplemental light in the 4x4 tent.... your thoughts on that as well... would make sense or be too much light?
www.opticledgrowlights.ca

OPTIC 1 XL COB LED Grow Light 100w 3500k COB

Canada Orders: Ships from USA - $30 Import tax Delivery is 3-6 Business Days from the USA International Orders: Ships within 1-5 Business Days (Same day shipping on orders before 12 pm PST / 3 pm EST) Commonly Purchased Together: 120 DEGREE LENS- Click Here...
www.opticledgrowlights.ca
 
Slowpoketv

Slowpoketv

New Member
Budzbuddha said:
Also .... NONE ... I mean NONE of those watt power claims are true ( philizon , vipar , amazon blurples ) . They are all bullshit claims on panels that in reality only Pull about a 1/3 of rated power.

They often exaggerate power claims even as they “ underpower “ hardware ... reason being they are inferior leds that have been purposely underpowered for life span of unit. They skimp on proper heatsinks and thermal management. They run lower efficiency plastic box drivers . Their fans are cheap sleeVe bearing fans . Led strings often fail as do those “ IR “ diodes ( burn out ) .
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Budzbuddha said:
Get away from anything blurple.

Seriously . Philizon is a panel running the same pathetic red / blue blurple AND a small cx2450 cob.

You want COBS ? Get timbergrow lights or even a quantum. Your grow will be far better just from the upgrade. Even the SF4000 spider farmer is a giant leap ahead of your current choices.

Tip : Stop running single color leds for veg and flower. ALL SWITCHES ON ... ALWAYS.
if you didn’t do that for last grow you mentioned, that is why it suffered.
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Ok so I checked Timbergrow and they look awesome but they don’t appear to have a Canadian distributor and they have a very long lead time right now. The spider farmer 2000 is available here would you suggest this alone for a 3x2 tent? Or would that be too big?

Again thanks for the help
 
T macc

T macc

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Maybe HLG 240 or even the 320. Those are actual watts and will perform well. I know they have Canadian shipping. Might be a distributor there
 
coreywebster

coreywebster

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2x3 you want 180-200w of that level of efficiency light so the sf2000 would be a bit more than needed but can be dimmed.

Same for the hlg260.

Cheapest option would be building one using strips. Say using bridgelux 2ft eb strips in gen 2 or 3, the gen 2 would be 7cad a piece ish,
You would want 14 of them and an xlg 200 driver and have yourself a good light. Should cost 150-170 CAD
plus what ever you can get aluminium U channel for to mount them on.

If you went with gen 3 your probably looking at an extra 30-50 CAD but would have an even better light.

I had to convert GPD to CAD so your prices may be way different but here is the part number if you want to google it and find the cost from digikey or some other local supplier

BXEB-L0560Z-35E2000-C-C3
 
Gond00s

Gond00s

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coreywebster said:
2x3 you want 180-200w of that level of efficiency light so the sf2000 would be a bit more than needed but can be dimmed.

Same for the hlg260.

Cheapest option would be building one using strips. Say using bridgelux 2ft eb strips in gen 2 or 3, the gen 2 would be 7cad a piece ish,
You would want 14 of them and an xlg 200 driver and have yourself a good light. Should cost 150-170 CAD
plus what ever you can get aluminium U channel for to mount them on.

If you went with gen 3 your probably looking at an extra 30-50 CAD but would have an even better light.

I had to convert GPD to CAD so your prices may be way different but here is the part number if you want to google it and find the cost from digikey or some other local supplier

BXEB-L0560Z-35E2000-C-C3
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would like to say I would use the bxebs u can get sammys the two row ones for like 4.98 I think it was today ill link ya

https://www.arrow.com/en/products/sl-b8v7n90l1ww/samsung-electronics 4.92 for the 2ft really good deal.
 
jimihendrix1

jimihendrix1

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HLG are probably the best LED for the money. They use Samsung/Osram Diodes. Those are they only Diodes you want to use, and aim for 40w Sq/ft of real watts pull.

4 x 4 needs 600w-645w HLG makes a 600w that is great for a 4 x 4 but isnt cheap.
 
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RangiSTaxi

Well-Known Member
jimihendrix1 said:
HLG are probably the best LED for the money. They use Samsung/Osram Diodes. Those are they only Diodes you want to use, and aim for 40w Sq/ft of real watts pull.

4 x 4 needs 600w-645w HLG makes a 600w that is great for a 4 x 4 but isnt cheap.
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I use HLG 550s, you will need at least a HLG550 in a 4 x 4 , and in my opinion they suit my 3x3 tent better, so yes any HLG over 550 say their new 600 watts would be great, yes they are expensive but worth every penny, get a good light and your on your way to success.

I highly recommend HLG, the meanwell drivers (as do all LED drivers) do fail after 2-3 years but they stand by their warranty and will ship you a new one fast for free and you get a lot of great grows down in 2-3 years between drivers, (keep a spare), they also are so easy to replace, say 15 minutes.

HLG 550 grow 4 x 4 still 3 weeks to go before harvest.IMG_20200424_052220.jpg
Seedsman Alaskin Purple feminized seed.
 
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xtsho

xtsho

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Is there a reason you're growing auto's? You'll probably get a better yield growing photoperiod plants. All it requires is changing the timer to 12/12 when you want the plants to flower. Auto's are good for outdoor grows in short season climates but I don't see the purpose when growing indoors and can just change the setting on a timer to initiate flowering. You'll get better genetics with photoperiod plants as well.
 
Slowpoketv

Slowpoketv

New Member
xtsho said:
Is there a reason you're growing auto's? You'll probably get a better yield growing photoperiod plants. All it requires is changing the timer to 12/12 when you want the plants to flower. Auto's are good for outdoor grows in short season climates but I don't see the purpose when growing indoors and can just change the setting on a timer to initiate flowering. You'll get better genetics with photoperiod plants as well.
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Mostly because of the short turn over time. Sorry I should’ve clarified earlier. I plan to run Autos in the 3x2 but the 4x4 will have photos. I wanted to have the ability to have two different crops in the same time period. I could realistically harvest the autos while the photos are still in veg.
That being said I’m not opposed to running a photo or two in the 3x2 and doing the autos outdoors... I had already planned on throwing some autos outdoors.

I have to thank you guys for all the feedback.
I have to admit I am technologically challenged and the idea of building my own light is intimidating, also I’m kind of in a rush to get things going but that is definitely a project I want to take on. In the meantime I think I’m going to go with the spiderfarmer 2000 based on your recommendations. I know it might be a little strong for this size tent but I would rather run that and dim it with the ability to turn it up as opposed to having to run a 1000 at full clip. As for the 4x4 I still have some time to decide what to do... I might try your suggestions and build a supplemental light to go with the burlple.
Your thoughts?
Thanks again guys
 
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Vkush

New Member
coreywebster said:
Nice, that's a good price!
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hey man, noob here. i guess you can't PM on this site?
is that all you're going to need to make your own lights? (14) 2ft strips for $69, xlg 200 driver $20-$50 ( there are so many i wouldn't know which one to select), and couple bucks for the U channels, and couple bucks for hanging cables. damn i guess that's all the HLG kits come with so yeah thats about it. that's about $120 usd.....would building one be a better option than getting a 240w from alibaba?
 
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