Real time soil NPK sensor.

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XDabxdoubx

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end_of_the_tunnel said:
I think what you are doing has great potential for commercial horticulture. Don't sell yourself short.

If you want to help out interested growers on internet forums, that cool.

I remember a kickstarter or similar project somewhere. Someone was trying to develop a personal grow chamber using computer vision, monitoring plant health and development.

Are you the same person?
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No but i will beat a dead horse i did win a national science foundation award for it
I have a kick starter for a robotic hemp farm though. My university offered to let me have a 1/4 acre field to grow hemp on and research it with robotics if I could gather the funds to create the robots and sensors. They would supply tractor and grow equipment.
 
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XDabxdoubx said:
I have a research paper written but all my stuff is in the works of being patented but there is one research paper available through my schools data base that goes further into it. If your school has access to research data based, you should be able to find it using the correct terms. I got my method from an episode of numbers.
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I would like to see this paper. And post a pic of your National Science Foundation award, lol.

It's also not nice to beat a dead horse.
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Sorry man, but you're a joke. If you actually went to college, I would think you would know grammar and punctuation and you obviously don't, lol.

And I asked to see your paper, not some pic I could download from the net. But to each his troll, lol.
 
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PadawanWarrior said:
Sorry man, but you're a joke. If you actually went to college, I would think you would know grammar and punctuation and you obviously don't, lol.

And I asked to see your paper, not some pic I could download from the net. But to each his troll, lol.
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Actually you can look it up and just stop being like that but I guess I'll send you the link.
 
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Do not want to quash your enthusiasm, drive and vision. Forums are not the best place to display concept. They are the best place to display debugged and practical product. If you have a device, demostrate its practical usage for small growers. Show accuracy and repeatability. Show that it is less cumbersome than currently used methods and instruments.

You should run some demos of your npk device. Demonstrate reliability and repeatability of readings under different conditions.

Can you run through how your device is used? I would assume samples would have to probed or removed for readings.

Many moons ago, I once visited a greenfield site that had historically been used for dumping pumped contents of domestic septic tanks. The site was subsequently trenched for drainage. Long story short, in hot dry conditions, soil moisture transported the nutrient salts to the walls of those trenches. Enough to start a gunpowder factory. It showed me how nutrients can be moved and concentrated on exposed surfaces.

Big/medium ag is driven by data. They are constantly driven to optimise. Still feel your skill and talent could be readily welcome.


 
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XDabxdoubx

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A user on the forum emailed me last night and I will past my email response too him to let you know the state of where I'm at with the products.
 
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XDabxdoubx

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end_of_the_tunnel said:
Do not want to quash your enthusiasm, drive and vision. Forums are not the best place to display concept. They are the best place to display debugged and practical product. If you have a device, demostrate its practical usage for small growers. Show accuracy and repeatability. Show that it is less cumbersome than currently used methods and instruments.

You should run some demos of your npk device. Demonstrate reliability and repeatability of readings under different conditions.

Can you run through how your device is used? I would assume samples would have to probed or removed for readings.

Many moons ago, I once visited a greenfield site that had historically been used for dumping pumped contents of domestic septic tanks. The site was subsequently trenched for drainage. Long story short, in hot dry conditions, soil moisture transported the nutrient salts to the walls of those trenches. Enough to start a gunpowder factory. It showed me how nutrients can be moved and concentrated on exposed surfaces.

Big/medium ag is driven by data. They are constantly driven to optimise. Still feel your skill and talent could be readily welcome.


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N.p.k sensor still going through the patent process and once I have it confirmed back from The state of ohio within the next couple of weeks, I will be able to demo it. It's a handheld device as well.


"Currently right now, hydrobot is based around the unity game engine. Unity is multiplatform based which is good for makers.when you purchase hydrobot, it comes PnP/ready to use out of box, automatically autonomously watering or not watering your plants and reading data and displaying it via serial or command prompt. It also comes with a usb with arduino studio, some basic arduino sketches I made for hydrobot and a unity project with code and asset examples that showcase how to use it. Though how to use it could be simpler with a video.
Thanks to this unity engine project file, You can develop the UI for any platform all the same and just build it for certain devices. So in your case, unity supports webgl. You could have a server created through software or on a raspberry pi. This will allow you to connect to it from anywhere depending on how you set up your server.

I honestly might have been to caught up in the software side of it and forget about it being a product and will do my best during this time to update my whole software to be simple and ready to go instead of being so daunting.

There are however advance scripts like the ndvi script and then simple ones like reading and displaying sensor data. I will be working on creating a demo project that shows you how to control the water pump of hydrobot and read data from it, then export the project to a webgl based example so you can basically follow that youtube tutorial without a hassle.

You can purchase hydrobot through my website via PayPal but I am working on getting on Amazon and walmart sales as well since were picking up though it's hard because I'm paying cash out of pocket for college and for all the logistics side of starting a small business out of your house. I currently design the product in the usa but I use Chinese parts so shipping has been varied due to coronavirus.

If you send me more information on how you would use the hardware in your plants like how many or how tall. I can better help you as well ."
 
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I'm sorry.... This is a scam... He's SELLING this product?

Lets set aside the fact that a realtime soil NPK sensor is something the AG industry would have already developed if it were feasible. Monsanto alone has millions upon millions in R&D money to throw at a challenge like this but I'm sure an undergrad solved it no problem.

Plants take up NPK in their ionic forms. Nitrogen as nitrate (NO3−) and ammonium (NH4+). Phosphorus as orthophosphates, (H2PO4-) and (HPO4[-2]). Potassium as K+. While you MIGHT be able to test for those free ions in the water in the soil, that wouldn't give you anything approaching an accurate look at the contents of that soil. Much of the NPK content in the soil will be adsorbed onto things like clay particles and NOT directly measurable. When farmers test their soil to figure out how much NPK etc to add for the next years crops, the lab has to flush the existing adsorbed ions off of the soil medium in a multi-step chemical process. It is NOT possible to measure passively. Even if you COULD passively measure the NPK content, the value wouldn't be all that useful because you wouldn't be measuring the CEC or Cation Exchange Capacity of the soil. Without knowing the CEC, you can't know how much NPK your soil can adsorb before it begins to run off.

Your Award says "Fooderator Central State University" on it. Is this you? YouTube: The FOODerator? Because if so, you did a cool thing but you also have absolutely none of the required background to pull off what you're claiming.
 
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XDabxdoubx

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StevefromNY said:
I'm sorry.... This is a scam... He's SELLING this product?

Lets set aside the fact that a realtime soil NPK sensor is something the AG industry would have already developed if it were feasible. Monsanto alone has millions upon millions in R&D money to throw at a challenge like this but I'm sure an undergrad solved it no problem.

Plants take up NPK in their ionic forms. Nitrogen as nitrate (NO3−) and ammonium (NH4+). Phosphorus as orthophosphates, (H2PO4-) and (HPO4[-2]). Potassium as K+. While you MIGHT be able to test for those free ions in the water in the soil, that wouldn't give you anything approaching an accurate look at the contents of that soil. Much of the NPK content in the soil will be adsorbed onto things like clay particles and NOT directly measurable. When farmers test their soil to figure out how much NPK etc to add for the next years crops, the lab has to flush the existing adsorbed ions off of the soil medium in a multi-step chemical process. It is NOT possible to measure passively. Even if you COULD passively measure the NPK content, the value wouldn't be all that useful because you wouldn't be measuring the CEC or Cation Exchange Capacity of the soil. Without knowing the CEC, you can't know how much NPK your soil can adsorb before it begins to run off.

Your Award says "Fooderator Central State University" on it. Is this you? YouTube: The FOODerator? Because if so, you did a cool thing but you also have absolutely none of the required background to pull off what you're claiming.
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I'm one of them yes but this is actually my channel
 
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