abandonconflict
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No it isn't. The strictest lockdown in the world has the fastest growth rate of cases in the world. It's been that way for 33 days now.
Lockdowns don't work.
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Fogdog
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Sure they are. Many more would have been infected without action taken. Do I need to explain the theory again to you?
abandonconflict
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Repeating yourself because you're out of arguments? Completely asinine. This isn't the first time I've been alone in saying something unpopular but you should come up with something better than trying to annoy me by just repeating the exact same comment.
abandonconflict
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The curve isn't flat.
abandonconflict
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7468 new cases in New York in the last 24 hours.
DIY-HP-LED
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| NAME | CONFIRMED | CHANGES TODAY | DECEASED | CHANGES TODAY | RECOVERED | SERIOUS |
|---|
| TOTAL | 613,624 | ↑ 26,683 (4.54%) | 29,768 | ↑ 6,003 (25.25%) | 33,810 | 8,989 |
| ★ New York | 203,123 | ↑ 7,468 (3.81%) | 14,827 | ↑ 4,576 (44.63%) | 13,366 | 4,504 |
| ★ Washington | 11,154 | ↑ 175 (1.59%) | 544 | ↑ 18 (3.42%) | 1,351 | 0 |
It's not the number of cases, but the rate of increase and that rate has been decreasing over time.
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abandonconflict
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It would have done this even if nothing had been done by the government. Those who are most susceptible to infection become infected until that segment is completely infected. They're running out of people to spread it to. Those who properly isolate would do so whether or not the economy was shut down.
NAME CONFIRMED CHANGES TODAY DECEASED CHANGES TODAY RECOVERED SERIOUS
TOTAL 613,624 ↑ 26,683 (4.54%) 29,768 ↑ 6,003 (25.25%) 33,810 8,989 ★ New York 203,123 ↑ 7,468 (3.81%) 14,827 ↑ 4,576 (44.63%) 13,366 4,504 The rate of increase in washington state is now 1.59%, the rate of increase in NYC is now 3.81% it was over 7% a week ago. The rate of increase is dropping in most places that implimented personal distancing and other measures. Sweden's rate of increase is 4.53%.
★ Washington 11,154 ↑ 175 (1.59%) 544 ↑ 18 (3.42%) 1,351 0
It's not the number of cases, but the rate of increase and that rate has been decreasing over time.
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Real world examples prove this.
Johnny Lawrence
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I'd also like to add a few more items to this discussion.
There has been a major uptick in domestic violence over the past month. This likely correlates with the increase in alcohol consumption/sales. Kids that formerly had a safe place to go during the week to at least get away for the day, are now stuck in a house with their abusive parent(s) who may or may not be employed now. Those conditions are toxic.
According to an article I recently read, the national suicide hotline is receiving a big increase in calls compared to this same time last year.
There has been a major uptick in domestic violence over the past month. This likely correlates with the increase in alcohol consumption/sales. Kids that formerly had a safe place to go during the week to at least get away for the day, are now stuck in a house with their abusive parent(s) who may or may not be employed now. Those conditions are toxic.
According to an article I recently read, the national suicide hotline is receiving a big increase in calls compared to this same time last year.
DIY-HP-LED
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Define susceptible for a novel virus that is expected to infect 80% of the human race and 100% if it wasn't for herd immunity. Despite earlier research (6%), we really have no idea about what percentage of the population that is infected only those who are being tested. There are many millions of potential victims left in NYC. There have been so many cases in NYC, that I would expect some herd immunty.
abandonconflict
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muh logaraithmic graphs tho
And also, this is complete bullshit, again. 7 days ago in New York recorded about 8 thousand new cases but they also did a revisiion in counting method today. You're buying into doctored graphs.
NAME CONFIRMED CHANGES TODAY DECEASED CHANGES TODAY RECOVERED SERIOUS
TOTAL 613,624 ↑ 26,683 (4.54%) 29,768 ↑ 6,003 (25.25%) 33,810 8,989 ★ New York 203,123 ↑ 7,468 (3.81%) 14,827 ↑ 4,576 (44.63%) 13,366 4,504 The rate of increase in washington state is now 1.59%, the rate of increase in NYC is now 3.81% it was over 7% a week ago. The rate of increase is dropping in most places that implimented personal distancing and other measures. Sweden's rate of increase is 4.53%.
★ Washington 11,154 ↑ 175 (1.59%) 544 ↑ 18 (3.42%) 1,351 0
It's not the number of cases, but the rate of increase and that rate has been decreasing over time.
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abandonconflict
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bullshit, we can see growth rates in places where no such measures were taken. Examples. What does stand is that the two places with the most vertical of graphs also had the strictest lockdowns.
DIY-HP-LED
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Here is a guy who presents the data logarithmically in a manner that accentuates to changes, Washington state has had the most success with "lock downs" so far. Its 10 minutes long, the fellow is on top of the data and he says it's still to early to tell. More data points are required to get answers and the more data points the more precise the answers will be, it takes time to see trends.
COVID 19 State by State: Some Graphs Turn a Corner
COVID 19 State by State: Some Graphs Turn a Corner
abandonconflict
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fomites don't obey goons
Unless the police are going to come make sure you wash your fucking hands, the lockdown is just adding to the deathtoll.
PJ Diaz
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Take off the MAGAt hat @abandonconflict
Budley Doright
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Your ability to discuss and debate without personal attack is astounding. It’s nice to see you call out others for lacking such ability, kudos. Now carry on with your 3 countries that dealt with it early and proved lockdowns are now unnecessary, contrary to what every leading expert on infectious diseases say ........ fucking amazing.
abandonconflict
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stunningly strong arguments, lads
DIY-HP-LED
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There are 8.3 million people in NYC, of course there are gonna be people dying at home, we have no real idea about the true scale of the outbreak in NYC we can only track the deaths and even then there are issues like above. This alone makes any discussion about the rates of infection tentative to say the least. We simply don't know the answers and examples are not analysis. When they start doing virus and serological tests, they can take a sample and extrapolate. Washington was ahead of New York in shelter in place policies and even there the trends are just beginning to appear in the data.
NYC Reports Thousands of Additional Deaths, City Toll Tops 10K Despite Signs of Hope
New York’s daily death toll surged back near 800 Tuesday, a day after falling below 700 for the first time in a week, while its coronavirus caseload surpassed 200,000, according to the state’s Department of Health. Still, Gov. Andrew Cuomo pointed to signs of optimism as total hospitalizations...www.nbcnewyork.com
Budley Doright
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You could try but it seems that’s not part of the equation. Not one thing said has proven the toll would not be exponentially higher forgoing a lockdown in all but 3 countries that got it and acted quickly.
abandonconflict
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That metric clearly shows the strict lockdown killing almost as many as the virus.
Budley Doright
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You have not proven anything and your arguments are weak. Are you reaching out? You seem to be reaching out? Lads???