Lockdowns don't work.

abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Kassiopeija said:
just how was it "supposed to"? you realize this enters a hypothetical speculation...? but that the spread is diminsihed when interactions become limited, that seems logical to me.
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Spread did not diminish in New York since early March. It increased sharply.

Spread did not diminish in New Orleans since early March, it increased sharply.

And yet we've seen flattened curves in places without complete societal lockdowns.

Show me a flattened curve and I will show you how a lockdown had no real effect on it.

Those most susceptible to infection still came into contact with fomites despite the outlawing of fomites by goons.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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abandonconflict said:
No it isn't. They believed it would flatten the curve, shit's happening in real time. those curves aren't flat. They're extremely acutely fucking up and lockdowns have no effect. Fomites don't obey goons.
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I'm gonna take a break from this thread for now, there's nothing to debate Abandon, I'm gonna do a bit of home work on this and keep an eye an Sweden, your poster child for the west. The Asian countries you cite all are big mask wearers, have extensive testing programs, experience with epidemics and the cultures are much better socially disciplined than in the west. Mothers do temp checks on their kids every morning before school, there is extensive testing and established protocols, they don't let the infected roam around freely. Every culture will have a different set of solutions, depending on necessity, India is not gonna act like America or Canada in a month, too many people have to work every day to eat.

You are not arguing from evidence, it's your contention that lockdowns don't work, it is therefore incumbent on you to provide data supporting this contention and it's also required that you defend it too, more so with a thread than with a comment. The thread title amounts to dangerous disinformation IMHO.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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abandonconflict said:
No, it isn't. People just want it to be over. They want to get back to work, attend classes and have an economy. By and large, that is what pople want. They accept a lockdown because that is what has been ordered by state and municipal governments because the federal authorities did not implement travel restrictions and effectively screen international entries. The public was told, very definitively, that the lockdowns would flatten the curve. People will not hold out forever and continue to buy this nonsense.

To date, there is not one iota of solid fucking numerical proof that a lockdown has been effective in flattening the curve, anywhere. In disaster areas like Rome, NYC, New Orleans etc, businesses were ordered to close and cases continued to sky rocket. It absolutely can not be proven that lockdowns flatten the curve. I refuckingpeat any slight amount of graphical inflection could be as easily explained by travel restrictions. Even if nothing had been done, cases could be graphed as a parabola. In other words, they'd increase and then decrease on their own anyway. It is much more likely that this is coming under control because those most susceptible have already been infected and the rest have isolated effectively regardless of what the government says. Fomites don't obey goons.

Forcing everyone to close means that people are left with fewer choices to get food. Those few sources end up becoming magnets for fomites, where superspreaders lurk. Meanwhile the economy is completely fucking dead, stick a fork in it.
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What we need to be doing during this time is actually thinking about how we need to do things differently and how we are going to be retrofitting everything we do going forward. This is basically the 2020 version of learning dumping shit out windows was not a good thing to do on a large scale.

That is what the brainpower we all posses should be working towards now.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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hanimmal said:
What we need to be doing during this time is actually thinking about how we need to do things differently and how we are going to be retrofitting everything we do going forward. This is basically the 2020 version of learning dumping shit out windows was not a good thing to do on a large scale.

That is what the brainpower we all posses should be working towards now.
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stay home be safe...
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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abandonconflict said:
kinda racist

Like I said, show me a flattened curve and I'll show you why it had nothing to do with a lockdown.
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Not racist cultural, the reaction in the philippines will be quite different than in other asian cultures, it is a completely different culture than Hong Hong, Singapore or South Korea and there are considerable differences between them. They are united by past experience with pandemics and extensive preparation however and are a unique case thus far in this process. I said culture Abandon, not race, you are getting desperate early in the thread, but it's gonna get worse. Right now you are in a morally and ethically indefensible position with the thread title and are unsupported by data, no matter how much nuance you try to layer over it. Mathematical arguments fall rather short in this arena my friend, especially when unsupported by data. Time for a break, for me and perhaps you, I've made my point for now.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Not racist cultural, the reaction in the philippines will be quite different than in other asian cultures, it is a completely different culture than Hong Hong, Singapore or South Korea and there are considerable differences between them. They are united by past experience with pandemics and extensive preparation however and are a unique case thus far in this process. I said culture Abandon, not race, you are getting desperate early in the thread, but it's gonna get worse. Right now you are in a morally and ethically indefensible position with the thread title and are unsupported by data, no matter how much nuance you try to layer over it. Mathematical arguments fall rather short in this arena my friend, especially when unsupported by data. Time for a break, for me and perhaps you, I've made my point for now.
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I don't really care to respond to these personal BS shitposts. You actually don't know me. You actually have no idea who I am culturally and I'm not making arguments about your culture or where you live or any of the like. I don't know you.

Show me a flattenned curve and I'll show you how a lockdown had nothing to do with it.
 
f series

f series

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Not racist cultural, the reaction in the philippines will be quite different than in other asian cultures, it is a completely different culture than Hong Hong, Singapore or South Korea and there are considerable differences between them. They are united by past experience with pandemics and extensive preparation however and are a unique case thus far in this process. I said culture Abandon, not race, you are getting desperate early in the thread, but it's gonna get worse. Right now you are in a morally and ethically indefensible position with the thread title and are unsupported by data, no matter how much nuance you try to layer over it. Mathematical arguments fall rather short in this arena my friend, especially when unsupported by data. Time for a break, for me and perhaps you, I've made my point for now.
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There is no real data, regardless.

On all sides
 
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