Help! buds not fattening?

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Soupsaa

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Darknes01 said:
I flipped to flower on 2-7-2020
just completed week 6 of flower and i cant tell if my buds are growing at normal pace or something is wrong?
I feel like for this stage they should be more connected but looks like i have a lot of gaps in between the flowers.
is this normal?
I was told this is San Fernando OG strain " got 8 clones from a friend "
On 3.12.2020 i did some good amount of trimming to expose more of the mid buds to light and after that they started not to eat as much as they where eating before.
** currently they are consuming about 50 to 80ppm ( on a 500 scale) per day and my ph was dropping daily by about .1 , last 2 days ph stabilized and actually went up by .1 today to 6.0

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Looks good what nutrients are you using
 
Darknes01

Darknes01

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Soupsaa said:
Looks good what nutrients are you using
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Nothing special, General Hydroponics Micro and bloom (lucas formula) 8ml of micro and 16ml of bloom per gallon. also i add about 2ml of calmag per gallon. This is all i have given them. Oh and no co2 and no chiller ( but it has been a little cold so that helped)
 
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Soupsaa

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Darknes01 said:
I flipped to flower on 2-7-2020
just completed week 6 of flower and i cant tell if my buds are growing at normal pace or something is wrong?
I feel like for this stage they should be more connected but looks like i have a lot of gaps in between the flowers.
is this normal?
I was told this is San Fernando OG strain " got 8 clones from a friend "
On 3.12.2020 i did some good amount of trimming to expose more of the mid buds to light and after that they started not to eat as much as they where eating before.
** currently they are consuming about 50 to 80ppm ( on a 500 scale) per day and my ph was dropping daily by about .1 , last 2 days ph stabilized and actually went up by .1 today to 6.0

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Is your bud fatten up now?
 
Darknes01

Darknes01

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rkymtnman said:
is your EC/ppm still dropping? they do look nice to me. might just be strain?
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Oh ya, they are drinking about 5 gallons of water a day ( this is total for 8 plants ) and consuming on average 80ppm ( on a 500 scale ) so they are eating but I dont see the tops fattening up like i see in a lot of photos posted by u guys. and given that i flipped them on 2-7 tomorrow will be t he 8th week, so if i dont count the 1st 2 weeks that leaves me 2 to 3 weeks max to harvest. You guys think they will bulk up that much in 2-3 weeks? and here is a photo of the trichomes ( what do u guys think?)

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rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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last 2 weeks is when buds put on the most weight

the reason i asked about the ppm is that they generally eat much less during the last 2 weeks too. so if you see that they all of a sudden aren't eating normal amounts, cut your ppm almost in half.
 
Darknes01

Darknes01

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rkymtnman said:
last 2 weeks is when buds put on the most weight

the reason i asked about the ppm is that they generally eat much less during the last 2 weeks too. so if you see that they all of a sudden aren't eating normal amounts, cut your ppm almost in half.
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Here is whats going on with the ppms for the last 4 days ( tell me what u think - yes i keep detailed logs lol)
3-30-2020
Ec 1560 / 780ppm

3-31-2020
Ec 1380 / 690ppm
added 140ppm of nutrients
New Ec 1660/830ppm

4-1-2020
Ec 1480 / 770ppm

4-2-2020
Ec 1380 / 690ppm
added 160ppm of nutrients
New Ec 1700 / 850ppm
 
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ChrispyCritter

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They might be adding weight even if you don't see it. I think we sometimes get excited waiting for a day when all of a sudden the colas are giant, and since They are plants the explosive bulk up is gradual. Plus we look at them so much we may not see the growth that is happening.
 
Darknes01

Darknes01

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ChrispyCritter said:
They might be adding weight even if you don't see it. I think we sometimes get excited waiting for a day when all of a sudden the colas are giant, and since They are plants the explosive bulk up is gradual. Plus we look at them so much we may not see the growth that is happening.
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I agree with you on us looking at them so much but i have a seen my share of top buds to notice that mine are just much smaller , hopefully they will fatten up a bit more before I have to harvest.
 
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ChrispyCritter

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I saw they just hit 8 weeks. I bet the y will. Wait it out until the pistols recede back into the buds if you can and I'm sure they'll be fatter. The wait is the hardest.
 
rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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Darknes01 said:
yes i keep detailed logs lol
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best thing you can do to be honest. i wrote down everythign for the first year. like every freaking thing i did every day. lol.

only thing you might want to consider:
do you really need the cal in the cal/mg?
if not ( you shouldn't with Lucas), i would stop using that and instead go with 1 gram per gallon of Epsom. it will give you Mg which you probably do need and it gives Sulfur which will really give you some nice smells from those ladies.
i've been messing around with using 2 grams/gal for the last 2 weeks. this grow i'm gonna try 3 grams/gal

stopping the cal/mg will also drop your N down a bit too. they do look a bit too dark green to me (that could be strain though)
 
Darknes01

Darknes01

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rkymtnman said:
best thing you can do to be honest. i wrote down everythign for the first year. like every freaking thing i did every day. lol.

only thing you might want to consider:
do you really need the cal in the cal/mg?
if not ( you shouldn't with Lucas), i would stop using that and instead go with 1 gram per gallon of Epsom. it will give you Mg which you probably do need and it gives Sulfur which will really give you some nice smells from those ladies.
i've been messing around with using 2 grams/gal for the last 2 weeks. this grow i'm gonna try 3 grams/gal

stopping the cal/mg will also drop your N down a bit too. they do look a bit too dark green to me (that could be strain though)
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This is what your refereeing too right?
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rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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Darknes01 said:
im due for a water change in a few days , so instead of the calmag ill go with your recommendation of 1gm per gallon and see what happens :)
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and if i were you, i'd drop your ppms. whats' the sense of having 800 ppms if it only drops a max of 100? especially since you are already proficient at topping up with nutes.
 
Darknes01

Darknes01

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rkymtnman said:
and if i were you, i'd drop your ppms. whats' the sense of having 800 ppms if it only drops a max of 100? especially since you are already proficient at topping up with nutes.
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honestly i have been thinking of the same thing, but lucas formula is set to give 8ml/16ml from start till end, now for me to get a lower ppm i would have to cut this by half i guess, i wonder if i do cut it, am i removing xyz amount of nutrients that they might need or want? meaning , ppm dropping by 80 or 100 or whatever does not equal them eating the same exact amount of everything thats in there. so maybe they are eating more of 1 thing vs others and me cutting the nutrient strength might remove the portion of whatever they might be eating more of. does this make sense ?
 
70's natureboy

70's natureboy

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rkymtnman said:
best thing you can do to be honest. i wrote down everythign for the first year. like every freaking thing i did every day. lol.

only thing you might want to consider:
do you really need the cal in the cal/mg?
if not ( you shouldn't with Lucas), i would stop using that and instead go with 1 gram per gallon of Epsom. it will give you Mg which you probably do need and it gives Sulfur which will really give you some nice smells from those ladies.
i've been messing around with using 2 grams/gal for the last 2 weeks. this grow i'm gonna try 3 grams/gal

stopping the cal/mg will also drop your N down a bit too. they do look a bit too dark green to me (that could be strain though)
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Doesn't that 2-3 g /gal of epsom raise the EC a lot? I use such a small amount i don't even measure it, like 1/2 tsp to 4 gal and my ec goes up about .4


I have plants that can't handle 8/16 Lucas and only give them 5/10. I wouldn't worry about dropping EC down a bit.
 
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ChrispyCritter

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Does epson in the last week or so help that much? I only add it occasionally but I had heard the sulfur really improves the smell but never really used it much. Thanks for the info.
 
rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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Darknes01 said:
but lucas formula is set to give 8ml/16ml from start till end,
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it's really the 1:2 ratio that's important. 8/16 burned the crap out of my plants. i only used 4/8 or 5/10. if i remember, 5.10 will get you around 1.2 EC or 600ppm. so instead of you going from 780 to 690, you're gonna go from 600 to 510. same difference. so the plant is still gonna eat the same amount. and you still have plenty of nutes in there.

if you don't want to mess with it this grow, try it down the line. you'll see you really don't need as many nutes as you think you do.
 
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