Thoughts on Christians smoking cannabis (Christian thread)

[Sunbiz1]

Living as Christ did isn't possible for mankind because we are all helpless sinners and fall short Every time. Jesus exposed the hypocrasy of the religious leaders when he came to earth because they claimed to keep the law, but Christ exposed their hypocrasy. Being a Christian is having faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ. His grace is imputed to anyone who BELEIVES he died for them on the cross. It's our faith that is counted for righteousness, not the way we live because we cannot save our selves. Yes Jesus did set an example and we should try to live by those guides for sure, but it was to show us how mankind cannot live up to Gods perfection. That's why salvation is a free gift from God.

God is sovereign, we are responsible.
The problem most have with Christianity isn't the message, but rather Christian and Catholic churches.
As in their behavior outside the church is often no better than the pagans, which drives unbelievers further from the Gospel truth.
We are called to develop a relationship with Christ, which takes work; another reason weak Christians blow it off.
To All:
Herb isn't mentioned anywhere in the Bible; and we were created with an endocannabinoid system of brain receptors.
While alcohol is a proven poison our bodies try to eliminate, and of course; is discussed in the Bible.

 

[Wattzzup]

The problem most have with Christianity isn't the message, but rather Christian and Catholic churches.
As in their behavior outside the church is often no better than the pagans, which drives unbelievers further from the Gospel truth.

This guy/gal couldn’t have said it better. He/she nailed it.

 

[Freedom seed]

“Cannabis researchEdit
Benet discovered that the Biblical plants or spices "kaneh" (Ez. 27:19; Is. 43:24; Ct.4:14), "kaneh ha-tob" (Je. 6:20), and "kaneh-bosem" (Ex. 30:23), which are usually translated as "sweet calamus" or "sweet cane", were actually hemp. "Kaneh-bosem" was an ingredient of the holy anointing oil:

30:22 Moreover the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 30:23 Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of sweet calamus (Hebrew kaneh-bosem) two hundred and fifty shekels, 30:24 And of cassia five hundred shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of oil olive an hin: 30:25 And thou shalt make it an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compound after the art of the apothecary: it shall be an holy anointing oil.
— Ex. 30:22-25, King James Version...

...The error originated from the oldest Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, Septuagint, in the third century B.C., where the terms "kaneh" and "kaneh-bosem" had been (mis)translated as "sweet kalamos". In the many Bible translations that followed, including Martin Luther's, the same error was repeated.”

Sula Benet - Wikipedia

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I am simply trying to help the op to understand why I feel the concerns of this attached stigma are unfounded. Stuff like “Thou Shalt...” is not even a direct translation, as many times as it is used.

 

[Wattzzup]

“Cannabis researchEdit
Benet discovered that the Biblical plants or spices "kaneh" (Ez. 27:19; Is. 43:24; Ct.4:14), "kaneh ha-tob" (Je. 6:20), and "kaneh-bosem" (Ex. 30:23), which are usually translated as "sweet calamus" or "sweet cane", were actually hemp. "Kaneh-bosem" was an ingredient of the holy anointing oil:


...The error originated from the oldest Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, Septuagint, in the third century B.C., where the terms "kaneh" and "kaneh-bosem" had been (mis)translated as "sweet kalamos". In the many Bible translations that followed, including Martin Luther's, the same error was repeated.”

Sula Benet - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I am simply trying to help the op to understand why I feel the concerns of this attached stigma are unfounded. Stuff like “Thou Shalt...” is not even a direct translation, as many times as it is used.

Lmao you can’t be serious?

 

[cannabineer]

God is sovereign, we are responsible.
The problem most have with Christianity isn't the message, but rather Christian and Catholic churches.
As in their behavior outside the church is often no better than the pagans, which drives unbelievers further from the Gospel truth.
We are called to develop a relationship with Christ, which takes work; another reason weak Christians blow it off.
To All:
Herb isn't mentioned anywhere in the Bible; and we were created with an endocannabinoid system of brain receptors.
While alcohol is a proven poison our bodies try to eliminate, and of course; is discussed in the Bible.

I have bigger issue with Calvinists than Catholics

 

[Freedom seed]

Lmao you can’t be serious?

Please feel free to update Wikipedia.

 

[Wattzzup]

Haha you really believe cannabis is in the Bible? Sure why not they also turned water into wine and walked on water.

Hey man smoke don’t smoke. But don’t change the Bible around to make u feel better about it.

 

[Rob Roy]

God is sovereign, we are responsible.
The problem most have with Christianity isn't the message, but rather Christian and Catholic churches.
As in their behavior outside the church is often no better than the pagans, which drives unbelievers further from the Gospel truth.
We are called to develop a relationship with Christ, which takes work; another reason weak Christians blow it off.
To All:
Herb isn't mentioned anywhere in the Bible; and we were created with an endocannabinoid system of brain receptors.
While alcohol is a proven poison our bodies try to eliminate, and of course; is discussed in the Bible.

Good point, my problem with Christianity, isn't with Jesus, he seems like a pretty cool guy, bit of an Anarchist too.

Although herb may not be mentioned specifically, it is by inference.

Genesis 1:29

 

[Bignutes]

It's one of God's creations, which leads me to ask are pharmaceuticals better or worse?

 

[Wattzzup]

Good point, my problem with Christianity, isn't with Jesus, he seems like a pretty cool guy, bit of an Anarchist too.

Although herb may not be mentioned specifically, it is by inference.

Genesis 1:29

It says thou shalt not kill
Does that mean people? Animals? Kill anything? It’s ok to kill for food or to sacrifice an animal to god? If you eat meat did you kill by default? Where do u draw the line when u start changing things to suit your need.

 

[Stealthstyle]

Its all a load of bullshit. The best lie ever told was there's an invisible man living in the sky who answers all your prayers and needs lots of money

 

[angrybudcom]

This topic has been at the forefront of my mind for some time .the life of a Christian is pretty simple... live as Christ did. I can’t speak on anyone’s pains , be it mental or physical, truth is cannabis dulls pain and allows others to actually function. That being said as a follower of Christ you must understand that if your conscience is telling you no and the Holy Spirit is convicting you , than stop. Your burden is not mine like my sin is not yours so I can’t judge in that way but if it’s hindering your walk with the lord , no matter What it is walk away from it.

Here I suggest the reasons:

1. If I lived his way, I would be dead for 10 years already. No, thank you very much.

2. Revolting against the established government system is still a crime mostly everywhere. No, thank you.

3. Uncertain relation to the official father I would not like for sure.

4. Denying other religions is already not much supported in society, and I personally also have no wish to follow this dogma in full.

5. I understand the book is cool, but there are misbehaviours from the christian party in history, and obvious logical traps in the christian theory. I respect the belief, I respect people choose it, and I acknowledge there is a lot of wisdom in the book, yet not enough to follow - I'm fine being acknowledging and respecting.

LOVE is the main thing, the first and the last. Whatever religion.

Besides, christianity suggests to respect fathers by means of ancestors, right? Okay, yet I think it never says disrespect ancestors BEFORE christianity, still okay? Practically it means christianity is fine with Paganism and at the same time is against it - I said too many logical traps in the theory... need more work to brush it up.

 

[Rob Roy]

It says thou shalt not kill
Does that mean people? Animals? Kill anything? It’s ok to kill for food or to sacrifice an animal to god? If you eat meat did you kill by default? Where do u draw the line when u start changing things to suit your need.

I'm thinking it originally meant not to "murder" , people. To murder is to use offensive force, to defend against it is to use defensive force.

God (the white guy with the beard in the sky) was apparently not only a speciest, "he" had a chosen people too, and was possibly a bigot, given that he had a "chosen people".

I value human life more than the biblical god, who seems to be a bit of a hypocrite and prone to rationalizations and possibly heaven juice inspired drunken rages of smiting people.

 

[Wattzzup]

I'm thinking it originally meant not to "murder" , people. To murder is to use offensive force, to defend against it is to use defensive force.

God (the white guy with the beard in the sky) was apparently not only a speciest, "he" had a chosen people too, and was possibly a bigot, given that he had a "chosen people".

I value human life more than the biblical god, who seems to be a bit of a hypocrite and prone to rationalizations and possibly heaven juice inspired drunken rages of smiting people.

It doesn’t say any of that you’re adding/interpreting it. It clearly says not to kill. Then people proceed to not only kill but they kill for no reason and sacrifice the animal to god? Seems odd and hypocritical.

 

[Rob Roy]

It doesn’t say any of that you’re adding/interpreting it. It clearly says not to kill. Then people proceed to not only kill but they kill for no reason and sacrifice the animal to god? Seems odd and hypocritical.

I've read that "thou shalt not kill" was a mistranslation and it was originally "thou shalt not murder", which seems much more sensible.

Besides, after multiple nose hits from the burning bush Moses was pretty stoned on the return trip down the mountain, probably floundered around a bit looking for his car keys when he reached the bottom.

 

[Wattzzup]

I've read that "thou shalt not kill" was a mistranslation and it was originally "thou shalt not murder", which seems much more sensible.

Besides, after multiple nose hits from the burning bush Moses was pretty stoned on the return trip down the mountain, probably floundered around a bit looking for his car keys when he reached the bottom.

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So if one of the 10 commandments was mistranslation. how can you assume everything isn’t?

The Bible was translated a lot so things get lost in translation.

In Buddhism they have a mindset of “be kind to all living beings”. Which is more likely what was meant. But people decided to preach it the way they wanted. The Bible is clear Thou shalt not kill. There’s a period at the end of kill. Not a colon or semi colon but a period. That means end of thought. Period!

 

[Rob Roy]

So if one of the 10 commandments was mistranslation. how can you assume everything isn’t?

The Bible was translated a lot so things get lost in translation.

 

[Freedom seed]

So if one of the 10 commandments was mistranslation. how can you assume everything isn’t?

The Bible was translated a lot so things get lost in translation.

In Buddhism they have a mindset of “be kind to all living beings”. Which is more likely what was meant. But people decided to preach it the way they wanted. The Bible is clear Thou shalt not kill. There’s a period at the end of kill. Not a colon or semi colon but a period. That means end of thought. Period!

Exactly. And it is being pointed out that the false translations could be possibly intentional, given the amount of control at stake.

From my own studies, I am at least aware that the early christians may have much more in common with Buddhism than they ever did with the Vatican. They were simply practising old traditions that had been handed down through time.

I am going to recommend the Nag Hammadi Library again, anyone who is interested in the early christians would do well to read it if they have not. Some of the most beautiful passages I have ever read are found within. There is a whole lot less “Thou Shalt“ contained in its pages.

Rob hit it on the head. Murder is murder. It is all about intent. The bible is full of blood that was shed for various other reasons.

 

[Wattzzup]

One thing people don’t understand about Buddhism is that you can be Buddhist and still be a Christian. Buddhism doesn’t believe in false gods. they say believe what you want but follow these principles and you will be fine. Buddha was a living person who they make a statue of to remind people of the principles.

Other religions are too jealous of each other too include other religions.

And no Buddhist has ever knocked on my door asking me to join.

 

[Rob Roy]

Its all a load of bullshit. The best lie ever told was there's an invisible man living in the sky who answers all your prayers and needs lots of money