Help/Recs Needed!

[mattman089]

Hi all - Really hoping someone can help shed some light on my girls... Namely the Gorilla Glue on the front right...

As you can see she's pretty droopy compared to the rest of the girls in there that are different genetics. She was doing great until the last week or so.

Further - seem to be having some type of deficiencies in the other plants in the back.

Any suggestions/recs or ANYTHING will be most helpful. Thanks!!!

 

[Snoopy808]

Quick glance phosphorus and cal-mag. Still in veg. Me i would use cal-phos top dress water it in for long term release. Immediately cal-mag and give a dose of bloom with your grow nutes. Check pH! Of your water and or nutes.

 

[mattman089]

Quick glance phosphorus and cal-mag. Still in veg. Me i would use cal-phos top dress water it in for long term release. Immediately cal-mag and give a dose of bloom with your grow nutes. Check pH! Of your water and or nutes.

Muchas gracias! And yea still veg forgot to mention that.

I plan on topping very soon the flip but kind of hesitant with the way she's drooping in the front and the deficiencies!

Will def take your advice!

 

[Snoopy808]

Gorilla glue is a Sour Diesel hybrid line heavy feeders!
Yeah dont top until you fix this. Its fairly immediate fix and the turn around in plant health and growth.
Check pH!

 

[mattman089]

Gorilla glue is a Sour Diesel hybrid line heavy feeders!
Yeah dont top until you fix this. Its fairly immediate fix and the turn around in plant health and growth.
Check pH!

You're awesome thx again!

 

[JimmiP]

What temperature is your root zone? And the tent too?

 

[JimmiP]

It doesn't look like a deficiency too me. If the root zone is too cold you will get these symptoms. Cold roots have trouble getting phosphorus into the plant. There can be plenty there and the plant just can't mobilize it so you get that drooping and red stems too. If you try upping its feed too much you could run into a problem.
So I would first give it an epsom foliar spray and check temps. If that's the issue the magnesium from the epsom will help and warming it up will take care of the rest.

 

[mattman089]

It doesn't look like a deficiency too me. If the root zone is too cold you will get these symptoms. Cold roots have trouble getting phosphorus into the plant. There can be plenty there and the plant just can't mobilize it so you get that drooping and red stems too. If you try upping its feed too much you could run into a problem.
So I would first give it an epsom foliar spray and check temps. If that's the issue the magnesium from the epsom will help and warming it up will take care of the rest.

Super solid advice, thank you so much!!! gonna give this a try and could def be the culprit.

 

[JimmiP]

Low humidity along with the other conditions I mentioned can exacerbate the condition too. And all of those plants seem to be behaving similarly.

 

[JimmiP]

I would get a cheap warm mist humidifier, an electric heater, (I prefer the radiator oil type) and a controller that runs both. Inkbird makes this one for $70.

 

[Snoopy808]

You might need glasses. That chlorisis means the plant is deficient on something. You are correct on checking temp for phos problems. But i dont think they would be so big starting in a cold place maybe a recent move to cold concrete slab would do it. But i dont think so severely. I agree with the epsom salts some what. More that they will kinda lower pH and buffer against hard water. Alkaline water can definitely lock up pH. Spraying epsom salts wont correct the deficiency. They are not even translaminar, run off into soil is what would boost them.Not uncommon for well water pH to fluctuate throughout the year.

 

[Snoopy808]

Check your pH! Phosphorus is more dependent on pH than temp for deficiency. Phosphorus is an acidifier duh, so will help similar way as epsom salts.
Check you pH!

 

[Snoopy808]

Shit my veg shed currently runs 70 degrees at waist height with 2 1000w mh and 2 600w t5s. At night it gets down to 50s and ive no phosphorus issues. Its chilly but made it thru winter no problemBut i check my pH of nutes and water. Every now and then i give em just pH adjusted water, the pH down...phosphoric acid.

 

[JimmiP]

I'm still sticking with temp and humidity. Ph may be an issue as well. But all of those plants are clawing. And while giving too much nitrogen can cause that when I see these symptoms it has always been those two things in conjunction causing the problem. Low soil temperature, warmer foliage, dry air. Makes the plant transpiration levels go up and since it is having trouble absorbing th phosphorus it ends up with excess nitrogen.
Not saying you are wrong though. I would just ensure the proper growing environment is there first. Then after a few days if it is still happening adjusting feed would be appropriate.

 

[Snoopy808]

Yeah good point on VPD and magnesium. But the chlorosis present at least in the pic suggests phos more than a VPD issue. The stunted growth at the tops-phos and always calcium.
Ive had VPD before but never with phos deficiency or seen it with phosphorus deficiency.
Water mobility, VPD, CEC (Ca, Mg, P etc..) all pH dependent and the clawing too can be pH dependent.
Im curious to the what fixes it.