A little help with breeding duckfoot.
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Hey all I need a little help from some of the gurus around here,
I've had Duckfoot for a couple of years now, seems like not many had herd of it then but now im seeing a bit of info on it here and there on the net. anyways its an amazing strain does not look like a marijuana at all and it reeks holy shit does that stuff smell 10x what a normal plant would put out. Don't know the THC content but its way up there with the big boys.
I've been cloning it every cycle and having at least one in my rotation indoors, Duckfoot is an outdoor plant though. Outdoors it puts out great yields and you can grow it on your front porch if ya wanted to other then the smell nobody would know, but indoors the yield is lame and my whole house stinks like I have a pack of skunks running wild in the basement.
I need some seeds so if I fuck up my clones (had close calls already) I won't lose this strain. I would also like to experiment with cross breeding it just to see what whacky shit I can end up with. Because I only have female duckfoots I'll have to make them hermie somehow right? Thats where I'm stuck is how to preserve the 100% duckfoot genetics with only female plants.
I've never bred any plants before unless you count hermied bag seed lol, so how do I go about this?
p.s I've included a photo from a google search of a duckfoot plant because It was easy, I can take pics of mine if needed though (this one is very close but mine have only 3 blade leaves I see some 5's on this)
Hey all I need a little help from some of the gurus around here,
I've had Duckfoot for a couple of years now, seems like not many had herd of it then but now im seeing a bit of info on it here and there on the net. anyways its an amazing strain does not look like a marijuana at all and it reeks holy shit does that stuff smell 10x what a normal plant would put out. Don't know the THC content but its way up there with the big boys.
I've been cloning it every cycle and having at least one in my rotation indoors, Duckfoot is an outdoor plant though. Outdoors it puts out great yields and you can grow it on your front porch if ya wanted to other then the smell nobody would know, but indoors the yield is lame and my whole house stinks like I have a pack of skunks running wild in the basement.
I need some seeds so if I fuck up my clones (had close calls already) I won't lose this strain. I would also like to experiment with cross breeding it just to see what whacky shit I can end up with. Because I only have female duckfoots I'll have to make them hermie somehow right? Thats where I'm stuck is how to preserve the 100% duckfoot genetics with only female plants.
I've never bred any plants before unless you count hermied bag seed lol, so how do I go about this?
p.s I've included a photo from a google search of a duckfoot plant because It was easy, I can take pics of mine if needed though (this one is very close but mine have only 3 blade leaves I see some 5's on this)
EverythingsHazy
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Check out the colloidal silver guide in my sig.
You can reverse one of your plants, or even just a single branch, and any seeds from that pollen will be female. They also won't be any more likely to hermie than regular seeds.
It's when you don't use colloidal silver, and you use a bad method like rodelization, that you get hermie seeds.
I've worked with duckfoot before and it has been very difficult to breed with. It's unique characteristics disappear when crossed with anything, including itself. I've had two versions of it and while they looked very similar they where very different plants. I got tired of playing with them and eventually composted them.
Banana444
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I came accross it by chance growing a bag seed given to me. It happen to get pollinated by a male when i was out of town. I grew one for the 6th solo cup comp, the one i had was not potent bud. Decent anf had nice frost but didnt translate to very good smoke even when i grew it in a normal size pot. Also mine had lower yield indoors than other strains i have done. Pretty looking plant though, and would be really stealthy until it buds.
I would take a look at frisian duck from Dutch passion. It's only been around for about a year as I remember it not being available for the outdoor season last year. Its frisian dew crossed with ducks foot which supposedly increases the quality while keeping the webbed leaves so might be worth a try?
Rob Roy
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You might consider making (or buying) some colloidal silver and getting one of your clone girls to grow some balls. There's a good bit of info. out there on it.
Basically a female plant is induced to grow some male flowers and these can be used to "fuck" itself or one of the clones from itself to produce female seeds. Some people recommend keeping several pollen receivers at varying stages of flower so you don't miss the best window of flowering so more pollen will take. Yes, it does work. Hope this helps.
You could also try to deliberately lite bleed a couple of your girls to see if they will throw a few male flowers and use that pollen to drop on female flowers or let a girl mature past normal harvest date, sometimes they'll through a desperation male flower or two as they don't want to die a virgin.
Basically a female plant is induced to grow some male flowers and these can be used to "fuck" itself or one of the clones from itself to produce female seeds. Some people recommend keeping several pollen receivers at varying stages of flower so you don't miss the best window of flowering so more pollen will take. Yes, it does work. Hope this helps.
You could also try to deliberately lite bleed a couple of your girls to see if they will throw a few male flowers and use that pollen to drop on female flowers or let a girl mature past normal harvest date, sometimes they'll through a desperation male flower or two as they don't want to die a virgin.
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EverythingsHazy
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That's often called "rodelization", and it's a very bad breeding technique because it works on plants that hermie on their own. Selfing one of those will make babies that are most likely going to be hermies.
yellowcreek
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So making an s1 is useless? What about turning one plant and pollinating another of the same kind with it? Still doesn't make same kind?
xtsho
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This is an old thread. There are a couple of us playing around with Frisian Duck in another thread. I'm reversing one right now to make seeds. I don't know if the duck trait will carry through but we'll find out.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/making-frisian-duck-seeds.986244/
Yup
I know this is old but it just bothers me to see pseudo science based on the rational that if something is easy or too good for the effort and big reward that it has a bad adverse reaction or risk. That's not science or logic.
Rodelization doesnt change genetics FFS yes if u do this to 100 plants and 2/100 hermis way too fast and easily well chuck it even if they are the most dank instead of efing them and making hermie prone genetics.
EverythingsHazy
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It's not pseudoscience. It's selective breeding. I never stated that there was any genetic change caused by this technique.
If you use this technique, you are purposefully breeding with plant's that produce anthers when left for a certain amount of time. If you do this to 100 plants, and all of them produce anthers, you would want to select the ones that took the longest. The issue is that not everyone wastes/overripens 100+ plants, to determine their "hermie" tolerance.
If you do this to 100+ plants, and find one of them doesn't ever produce anthers, that is evidence for the fact that not all Cannabis plants have this trait, and if that turns out to be the case, using the technique at all, would be a poor choice.
So we don't disagree until the last part where you went the other extreme end of the spectrum.
So you're basically saying if I sts a plant and it takes 2 weeks lets say to get pollen and then I go into flower for the S1s, they are likely going to hermie? IME and research that is incorrect.
You are probably not going to get the genetics you want unless it's a landrace or IBL, but doesn't mean it is likely to hermi.
This is why I spray one branch, so I can see the rest flower without herming means she's good to go.
EverythingsHazy
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I didn't say that if you use STS anything would happen. I'm strictly referring to "rodelization". If you use a chemical to induce anthers, their appearance wouldn't signify the plant's genetic disposition to produce them earlier than others, or to produce them without chemical interference, at all.
If you plant a seed and let it keep growing long past having "ripe" flowers, and it produces anthers, you can know that the plant possesses the gene for producing anthers at a certain point into the flowering cycle. If it doesn't, you don't get seeds. If it does, it may pass that trait down to its offspring.
Planting a seed and using CS or STS to "flip" it, will produce seeds regardless of the parent plant's resistance to producing anthers (how long it takes to produce them, if at all). At least you'll have a chance to get seed from a "hermie resistant" plant. With the other method, you are guaranteeing that you will only get seed from a plant that definitely produces anthers at a certain point in it's flowering cycle.
I think we are more in agreement than not, here.
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Soma used it but they stopped of couse its a pita. I havent read of any DFs hermieing so the offspring should be fine.